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DIY laser transfer paper with water-based "gum" glue

DIY laser transfer paper with water-based "gum" glue

2012-07-08 by Robin Whittle

Here is a potentially novel way of making laser toner transfer paper at
home.  It requires some ~140gsm card (at about 180um, thicker than
standard 80gsm laser / photocopy paper, but not as thick as the 200 to
220 gsm card which is more widely sold) "paper gum" (water-based, clear
glue from a craft shop), kerosene, acetone, and a hot air gun.

In the future, I will place an updated version of this
material at:

.  http://www.firstpr.com.au/pcb-diy/


The purpose of a laser printer transfer paper is to accept the toner
from the printer and then allow it to be transferred to another surface.
 A common use for this is to transfer the toner onto copper-clad PCB
laminate, where it will be used as a resist for etching.  I am using it
for other purposes, which I will describe in the next few months.

Here are my thoughts on the desirable characteristics of laser toner
transfer paper.

The paper should run smoothly through a laser printer.  I think this
means it should be 80gsm to 140gsm or so.  Thicker card, such as 210
gsm, is stiffer and may not always feed so well.  The Pulsar transfer paper:

. http://www.pcbfx.com/main_site/pages/products/transfer_paper.html

is about 228um including its gum layer.  It weighs in at 172gsm with its
coating (10.37 grams per US Letter sheet with 16.577 sheets per square
metre).

The Pulsar paper feels a little stiffer than the card I am using.  This
card weighs in at 145gsm (9.1 grams per A4 sheet, with 16.03 A4 sheets
per square metre).  I guess it is 140gsm when dry.

The printable surface of the paper should not be paper itself, because
the toner will melt into the paper fibres, making full removal of the
paper impossible.  The only way I know of achieving this is to coat the
paper with gum, such as dextrin (a starch).

The gum surface should be smooth, but not necessarily shiny.  Perhaps it
helps if the surface has a matte finish, so the toner is less likely to
move around due to electrostatic self-repulsion, or vibration, between
being deposited from the drum and being melted by the fuser rollers.

Surface roughness may or may not matter in the final application, but
for one of the purposes I am pursuing, it is important that the surface
be smooth.

The Pulsar paper is quite smooth and the Olathe Post paper I wrote about
in a recent message (30334) has an irregular surface.  Both the Pulsar
paper and the DIY paper I am about to describe were good for my
application which required a smooth gum surface.  The Olathe Post paper
was not suitable for this application.

The paper would ideally be insensitive to moisture levels at the time of
printing.  With both the Pulsar and Olath Post paper, I found it best to
humidify the sheet just before printing, such as by placing it face down
on a wire rack one or two cm about some vaguely warm water for a few
minutes, with a tea-towel on top of the paper, which had previously been
resting on the rack.  This level of moisture is not enough to make the
gum sticky, but (for me at least, using Brother HL-5250DN and HL-4040CN
printers) solve the problems which occur when these papers were too dry,
including the toner being fused together but not actually bonding to the
gum, presumably because the gum was too dry and hard.

The paper which results from the process I am about to describe has a
thinner gum layer than the Pulsar or Olathe Post papers.  My initial
tests indicate that it is not so fussy about moisture levels, since I
can print on it when it has just been hot-air dried, and the toner bonds
perfectly.  I think this is in part due to the gum being thinner and not
so hard a surface, since its hardness depends more on the underlying
paper fibres.  However, the nature of the starch/gum itself could be
quite different to that of the other two papers, with its thickness not
being such an issue.

The DIY paper I am about to describe seems good in terms of surface
flatness (depending on how evenly the liquid gum-water mixture can be
distributed), but there are some difficulties making the whole sheet
nice and flat before printing.  Ideally, the sheet should be absolutely
flat, rather than having a curl in any direction, because such curls
will make its travel through the printer more error-prone.

Finally, the transfer paper should be easy to remove from the new
surface with water.  The Pulsar and Olathe Post papers peel off nicely
after a few minutes in cold or warm water.  Any residual gum/starch is
easily removed.  This DIY transfer paper is easy to remove too.  In my
initial trials like this, the whole sheet peels cleanly away, taking
most or all of the gum with it, after two or three minutes soaking in
warm water with a little detergent.

The major difficulties making transfer paper seem to be obtaining the
gum/starch and spreading it thinly on one surface without causing the
paper to become soft or deformed.  Here is how I solve these problems.

Step 1

(I assume people are wise to the dangers of chemicals, fires, etc.)

Make a mixture of 1/3 kerosene 2/3 acetone.  I do it by weight, but by
volume would be fine.

Place the 140gsm card on a flat surface such as a Formica table-top or a
sheet of glass.  Spray or otherwise spread the mixture so it soaks the
entire sheet.  (I put my mixture in a Windex sprayer.)  Then, using a
light, fine, squeegee, or perhaps a roller of some kind (or perhaps
tissues) remove all the excess kero/acetone from the sheet and put it
out to dry for five or ten minutes.

The acetone will evaporate within a few minutes and before long the
somewhat kerosene-damp sheet will smell only of kerosene.

I figure we have a well-dispersed, but not saturating, body of kerosene
in the whole volume of the card now.  This is our temporary
waterproofing system.  (Other attempts at DIY transfer paper involve
spraying expensive pressure-pack leather/cloth waterproofing liquids
onto the paper or card, making it permanently waterproof, which
significantly delays the final step of washing the paper or card away.)


I have prepared some 80% gum, 20% water (by weight) and stirred it well.
 I add a few drops of red food dye so I can see where this gum is as I
spread it.

The gum I used is sold as "Paper Gum":

. http://www.miyartcrafts.com.au/Craft-Smart-Paper-Gum.html

It is a clear, uncoloured, liquid, not milky and not a paste.

The package states:

> ... adheres to most surfaces, including metal, plastic, glass and
> ceramics.  For scrapbooking and memory craft it has distinct
> advantages.  It is pH neutral.  It dries clear and will not
> yellow with age.   Equipment cleans up in water.

I assume this is a dextrin gum of some kind.  This is not "glue", "PVA
glue" or any such thing.  It is *gum*.  It is a clear, viscous but
smoothly flowing uncoloured liquid which can be thinned with water.  The
dry gum will dissolve in water, though it takes a bit of rubbing if
there is a substantial blob of it.

It is possible that the term "gum" is more widely in Australia and New
Zealand for this particular type of adhesive.  Googling for:

"clear gum" ml

turns up similar products in .au and .nz.   One product which seems to
be the same or similar, and which is available in all countries can be
found with Googling:

Pentel "roll'n glue"

. http://www.pentel.co.uk/products.asp?group=5&type=23&pid=198

There's a 300ml refill bottle for these.  I am reasonably sure that this
substance would work exactly the same as the "gum" I used.

This Australian page:

. http://sewingcraft.com/wordpress/?page_id=2072

lists 16 types of liquid adhesive found in craft shops.  The one of
interest is: Helmar Professional Acid-Free Glue:

> ACID-FREE, (NEUTRAL pH),SETS CLEAR, NON-TOXIC, FLEXIBLE BOND, WILL
> NOT YELLOW. Helmar Acid Free glue has been specifically designed for
> memory albums, book binding, mounting photographs, preserving old or
> precious books, documents, scrap books, most craft projects, etc.
> Featuring excellent adhesion to dense papers, high flexibility, long
> term life of the bond. Sets clear, dries quickly and will not yellow
> with age. Non-wrinkling ! ACID-FREE ! Neutral pH level.

This product is surely suitable for the process I am describing.  It is
from the USA - $7.45 for 8.45 fl.oz. :

http://www.helmarusa.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=vmj_naru.tpl&product_id=8&category_id=1&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=7

I have just discovered that "envelope gum" can be purchased in small
containers, such as:

. http://www.crafterscompanion.com/Envelope-Gum_p_32.html
. http://www.crazicards.co.uk/crafters-companion-envelope-gum/prod_698.html

This is probably different from the glue I used.  It is meant to be
applied to paper and then left to dry, to produce a traditional gum
layer which can be moistened and used to seal the envelope.  Perhaps
this material would be suitable for making transfer paper without any
mucking around waterproofing the paper beforehand.


Step 2

I lay the sheet on some scrap paper, such as a few layers of newspaper.

I pour some of the gum-water mixture on the card and using a kitchen
sponge spread it quickly and reasonably evenly over the card.  The
kerosene greatly reduces the rate at which the gum-water mix soaks into
the card.  However, it does soak in to some extent and this stage needs
to be done as quickly as possible.  I found the sponge worked reasonably
well in producing an even coating.  I also found a light squeegee (for
cleaning windows) helped spread the mixture evenly.  It is possible that
a roller would work well.

Perhaps if the mixture could be sprayed from a compressed air spray gun
- this might work really well if the drops were very fine and evenly
distributed.  I have a spray gun.  Later I will try using it for both
the kero-acetone stage and for distributing the layer of gum.

As soon as there is a reasonably even coating, dry the sheet with a
hot-air gun.  To do this, I place the sheet on a dry sheet of newspaper
(since the first sheet now has gum where the edges of the A4 sheet were)

This will cause it to curl to some extent, but it is not as bad as if I
had not used the kero-acetone mixture.

The drying will get rid of most of the kerosene.  If the gum-water mix
is too viscous and/or is in too thick a layer and/or if the drying heat
is too intense then bubbles may develop in the gum coating.  This is
unacceptable, so I suggest less aggressive drying.

While the sheet curls somewhat, it does not become soggy or wrinkly.

The curl can be reduced by running the sheet, on its own, through a
laminator.  This will dry off more of the kerosene.

Now, the sheet is ready for printing.

I haven't investigated storage, but I think that if I make a bunch of
sheets and press them together in a flat stack, they should be fine to
use at any time in the future, and will probably not be as curled as
they are initially.

After transfer (I am using a laminator, but some people use an iron to
melt the toner onto the copper-clad PCB board) the paper can be removed
with water, or warm water with a little detergent.

 - Robin

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] DIY laser transfer paper with water-based "gum" glue

2012-07-08 by Stefan Trethan

<http://www.chemquest.com.au/cgi-bin/cq_add_msds.pl?action=showMSDS&productName=CRAFTSMART%20PAPER%20GUM>

Apparently this is a PVA glue after all. Does it smell right?

ST
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On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Stefan Trethan <stefan_trethan@...> wrote:
> I would guess your gum my be either gum arabic or water glass (sodium silicate).
> Try to get the MSDS (material safety data sheet).
>
> ST

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] DIY laser transfer paper with water-based "gum" glue

2012-07-08 by Robin Whittle

Hi Stefan,

Thanks for finding the MSDS for the "paper gum" glue I used:

.
http://www.chemquest.com.au/cgi-bin/cq_add_msds.pl?action=showMSDS&productName=CRAFTSMART%20PAPER%20GUM

The search function there does not seem to be working at present.  A
link on that page leads to the ingredients:

.
http://www.chemquest.com.au/cgi-bin/cq_add_msds.pl?action=showMSDSIngredients&productName=CRAFTSMART%20PAPER%20GUM

This states "Poly Vinyl Alcohol 10-15%" with a small proportion of a
biocide, to stop it going mouldy.  I guess the rest is water.

PVOH means, I think, Poly Vinyl Alcohol which can also be known as PVA,
but which is different from Poly Vinyl Acetate.

> Apparently this is a PVA glue after all. Does it smell right?

It is not an emulsion, like milky-white wood glue which I understand is
a water emulsion of some hydrocarbon solvent with Poly Vinyl Acetate in
that solvent.  It is a clear, free-flowing, but viscous, uncoloured
fluid.  I cannot detect any smell.

I dribbled some on a piece of glass and put it in the gas oven for 20
minutes or so at 200C.  What remained was about 20% of the volume, and
was clear and slightly brown.  It is hard and stuck firmly to the glass!

What remained softened with water.  Perhaps it would dissolve in water too.

This does not look like any kind of starch.  I assumed it was starch so
I tried it.  It seems Poly Vinyl Acetate:

.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyvinyl_alcohol

melts at 230C, but this would depend on its molecular weight.  The
boiling point is quoted as 228C, which makes no sense to me.

This melting temperature is, I assume, above that of laser printer fuser
rollers, so it will probably work OK.

Here is a page describing Poly Vinyl Acetate as a glue for bookbinding,
as a 20% solution in water:

.  http://cool.conservation-us.org/byauth/woods/pva.html

once cooled, it is a stiff jelly.  This doesn't match the glue I have here.

  - Robin

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] DIY laser transfer paper with water-based "gum" glue

2012-07-08 by Donald H Locker

I'm quite sure it is gum arabic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gum_arabic>, which is a very common paper adhesive where toxicity might be an issue (stamps, envelopes, ...) Readily dissolves in water; stable; long-lived.

Donald.
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> I would guess your gum my be either gum arabic or water glass (sodium
> silicate).
> Try to get the MSDS (material safety data sheet).
> 
> ST
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] DIY laser transfer paper with water-based "gum" glue

2012-07-08 by Stefan Trethan

I haven't dealt with PVOH before, only with PV-Acetate, which this
obviously is not.

PVOH is readily available and cheap, so it would not be difficult to
try if someone just can't find the right glue.

ST
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On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Robin Whittle <rw@...> wrote:
> Hi Stefan,
>
> Thanks for finding the MSDS for the "paper gum" glue I used:
>
> .
> http://www.chemquest.com.au/cgi-bin/cq_add_msds.pl?action=showMSDS&productName=CRAFTSMART%20PAPER%20GUM
>
> The search function there does not seem to be working at present.  A
> link on that page leads to the ingredients:
>
> .
> http://www.chemquest.com.au/cgi-bin/cq_add_msds.pl?action=showMSDSIngredients&productName=CRAFTSMART%20PAPER%20GUM
>
> This states "Poly Vinyl Alcohol 10-15%" with a small proportion of a
> biocide, to stop it going mouldy.  I guess the rest is water.
>
> PVOH means, I think, Poly Vinyl Alcohol which can also be known as PVA,
> but which is different from Poly Vinyl Acetate.
>
>> Apparently this is a PVA glue after all. Does it smell right?
>
> It is not an emulsion, like milky-white wood glue which I understand is
> a water emulsion of some hydrocarbon solvent with Poly Vinyl Acetate in
> that solvent.  It is a clear, free-flowing, but viscous, uncoloured
> fluid.  I cannot detect any smell.
>
> I dribbled some on a piece of glass and put it in the gas oven for 20
> minutes or so at 200C.  What remained was about 20% of the volume, and
> was clear and slightly brown.  It is hard and stuck firmly to the glass!
>
> What remained softened with water.  Perhaps it would dissolve in water too.
>
> This does not look like any kind of starch.  I assumed it was starch so
> I tried it.  It seems Poly Vinyl Acetate:
>
> .  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyvinyl_alcohol
>
> melts at 230C, but this would depend on its molecular weight.  The
> boiling point is quoted as 228C, which makes no sense to me.
>
> This melting temperature is, I assume, above that of laser printer fuser
> rollers, so it will probably work OK.
>
> Here is a page describing Poly Vinyl Acetate as a glue for bookbinding,
> as a 20% solution in water:
>
> .  http://cool.conservation-us.org/byauth/woods/pva.html
>
> once cooled, it is a stiff jelly.  This doesn't match the glue I have here.
>
>   - Robin
>
>
>
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] DIY laser transfer paper with water-based "gum" glue

2012-07-09 by Robin Whittle

Hi Donald,

You wrote, I think of the glue I am using:

> I'm quite sure it is gum arabic
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gum_arabic, which is a very common paper
> adhesive where toxicity might be an issue (stamps, envelopes, ...)
> Readily dissolves in water; stable; long-lived.

This liquid has no colour.  When dried it turns into a firm, clear,
plastic-material which is uncoloured (except for browning in the oven at
200C).  That material can be softened and probably dissolved in water.

The MSDS indicates it is 10 to 15% Poly Vinyl Alcohol - and I can't
think of any reason to dispute this.  My initial tests indicate it is
good for laser transfer paper.

  - Robin    http://www.firstpr.com.au/pcb-diy/

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] DIY laser transfer paper with water-based "gum" glue

2012-07-09 by Robin Whittle

Short version: More information on Poly Vinyl Alcohol.

Hi Stefan,

Thanks again for chasing up the MDSS of this glue.  You wrote:

> I haven't dealt with PVOH before, only with PV-Acetate, which this
> obviously is not.
> 
> PVOH is readily available and cheap, so it would not be difficult to
> try if someone just can't find the right glue.

I initially wrote that the Helmar "Acid Free" glue:

http://www.helmarusa.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=vmj_naru.tp\
l&product_id=8&category_id=1&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=7

might be similar to the Craft Smart Paper Gum I am using:

. http://www.miyartcrafts.com.au/Craft-Smart-Paper-Gum.html

However, in this Australian MSDS for the Helmar glue:

. http://arbee.com.au/images/DL_312_.pdf

it appears that the Helmar glue is a Poly Vinyl Acetate (PVA, lie common
woodworking glue) because it has a trace quantity of Vinyl Acetate
Monomer and because it is a "White to off-white viscous fluid with a
mild specific odor".  I guess it is PVA in a hydrocarbon solvent with
droplets of this emulsified in water, since they mention fumes.

The glue I am using has no smell.  Its drying is consistent with the
only solvent being water.

Here is some information about Poly Vinyl Alcohol (PVOH):

. http://www.wanwei-pva.com/polyvinyl-alcohol-PVA.htm
. http://www.wanwei-pva.com/PVA-Usage.htm
. https://biopak.com.au/products.php?id=28

There are multiple grades of it.  Here is some on eBay - "DuPont Elvanol
Type 51-05":

. http://www.ebay.com/itm/370629221979

"Water solubility increases as the molecular weight decreases."

. http://www2.dupont.com/Elvanol/en_US/products/index.html
. http://www2.dupont.com/Elvanol/en_US/assets/downloads/elvanol_51_05.pdf

This is a "partially hydrolized general purpose grade".  Viscosity 5.0
to 6.0 cps.  "Elvanol\ufffd 51-05 is suggested for evaluatin in temporary
protective coatings and pigmented coating of paper.  It has additional
applications in remoisturizing adhesives, temporary binder for
ceramics, paper adhesives, cold-water-soluble film, photosensitive
coatings, binder for joint compounds and texture coatings and as a
soil anti-redeposition agent."  The graph in the datasheet goes up to
16% concentration in water.

Here is some more:

. http://www.ebay.com/itm/320941262472

"Celvol Polyvinyl Alcohol Grade 540. This a partially hydrolysed grade
of PVA/PVOH used to make adhesives and to coated papers and textiles. It
is 87-89% hydrolyzed with a viscosity of 45 cps.  Make your own wood
glue! Just add it to hot water."

Celvol information:

. http://www.sekisui-sc.com/products/selvol/index.html
. http://www.sekisui-sc.com/products/selvol/properties.html
. http://www.sekisui-sc.com/products/selvol/applicationandenduse.html
. http://www.sekisui-sc.com/products/selvol/productline.html
. http://www.sekisui-sc.com/products/selvol/solutionpreparation.html

The last page recommends no more than 7% Celvol 540 for dissolving in
hot water at 85C.  Its viscosity is 45.0 to 55.0.

The lower viscosity grades such as 513 (13.0 to 15.0) can be dissolved
at a higher concentration, such as 15%, which matches the 10 to 15%
range specified in the Craft Smart Paper Gum MSDS.

My initial impression is that the Elvanol 51-05 would be a better choice.

 - Robin  http://www.firstpr.com.au/pcb-diy/

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] DIY laser transfer paper with water-based "gum" glue

2012-07-10 by Robin Whittle

Still more information on Poly Vinyl Alcohol, including the availability
of water-soluble film for embroidery.

(In the Yahoo Group archives, to view the diagrams and properly indented
links, please use "Show Message Option > Use Fixed Width Font.)

The proper name for Poly Vinyl Alcohol is "PVA", though "PVOH" is
sometimes used.  The proper name for Poly Vinyl Acetate is "PVAc", but
most non-technical people refer to it as "PVA".  In the following, "PVA"
refers to Poly Vinyl Alcohol.

I air-dried 10 grams of the Craft Smart Paper Gum glue (gently, over a
day, in warm air, on a layer of wax) and the result was 1.4 grams of
clear, tough, somewhat stretchy plastic film.

From the MSDSs, it seems the exact same glue can be bought for $16 a
litre as "Gloo Clear Gum":

http://www.officeworks.com.au/retail/products/Office-Supplies/Stationery/Adhesives/Glues/Craft-Glues/LE1LGUM


PVA is apparently unique among polymers in that it is not created
directly by polymerizing monomer molecules, but by stripping off parts
of an already existing polymer.  This process may be referred to as
"hydrolyzation", but "saponification" and "alcoholysis" may also be used.

Fully hydrolyzed PVA has the following structure, where the carbon
backbone is really zig-zag, rather than straight as shown here:

 H   H   H   H
  \ /     \ /
 <-C---C---C---C->
      / \     / \
     H   O   H   O
          \       \
           H       H

Partially hydrolyzed PVA has some of the O-H groups remain in their
initial state of:

        *      H
         \    /
       O==C--C-H
              \
               H

where the * is the second carbon on the first diagram.

So fully hydrolyzed PVA is like polyethylene but with every fourth
hydrogen replaced by an OH hydroxyl group.  These hydroxyl groups are
water soluble, while the plain H hydrogens are water repellent.

According to:

  http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/469236/polyvinyl-alcohol-PVA

fully hydrolyzed PVA is highly soluble in water and partially hydrolyzed
PVA is partially soluble in water.

We are interested in the partially hydrolyzed stuff, which is also used
as a moisture-containing coating on food items and tablets, and in
water-soluble packaging.  See my next message for why I think "dissolvo"
paper is not made with PVA.

Companies which make water-soluble PVA film:

  http://www.pva-film.com/en/product_Features.html
  http://www.kuraray-am.com/pvoh-pvb/poval.php
  http://www.solublon.com/about_aicello.htm

A Melbourne source of PVA water-soluble film (and Methyl Hydroxyl Propyl
Cellulose "dissolvo" paper) is:

  http://www.daieiaust.com.au/plastic.php?la=la&cid=152

Some more information:

  http://www.fao.org/fileadmin/templates/agns/pdf/jecfa/cta/61/PVA.pdf

It seems that water is the only proper solvent for PVA.  I was hoping
there was a hydrocarbon solvent so it could be sprayed in solution onto
paper, without the paper becoming soggy, as it does with water.

However, there's another approach - either printing onto the PVA film
itself, or bonding in some way (heat and pressure lamination?) the film
onto some paper.

Most water soluble PVA films seem to be used for industrial and
packaging purposes.  An exception is their use for "embroidery
stabilizers".   There can be a problem embroidering soft, thick, fabrics
- and the solution is to lay a transparent PVA film over the top of the
fabric (maybe bonding the two together?) before starting the embroidery.
 The film stops the stitches going too deep into the fabric.  Then the
film can be largely torn away, with the remainder being dissolved in the
first wash.

Products include Gunold Solvy.  The MSDS indicates it is 100% polyvinyl
alcohol:

  http://www.gunold.de/Home/Products/Foils/SOLVY/270
  http://www.gunold.de/images/productdwn/Sh_Solvy_GB.pdf

Also Gutterman Sulky Solvy:

  http://www.sulky.com/stabilizers/solvy.php

Various Solvy products can be purchased via eBay.

I haven't researched these further, but there are multiple such products
available at a nearby Spotlight craft and fabric shop, which is where I
got the glue:


http://www.spotlight.com.au/inspiration/projects/get-the-basics-g%C3%BCtermann-sulky-stabilisers/

including "Totally Stable" which "can also be ironed onto light coloured
fabric so that it can be put through an ink jet printer."

I will check these out in the next few days.


As a curious aside, PVA can be used to make fabric:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinylon

North Korea has the only substantial factory for this.  It is pretty
poor fabric in most respects, "stiff, uncomfortable, shiny, prone to
shrinking, and difficult to dye" but they make it because they can use
just coal (anthracite) and limestone, without any reliance on oil.


 - Robin  http://www.firstpr.com.au/pcb-diy/

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] DIY laser transfer paper with water-based "gum" glue

2012-07-10 by Randall Morgan

Interesting... I worked HAZMAT for a few years many years ago and we had
PVA gloves that seemed almost impervious to everything but water. You could
wash them right off your hands in plain water but that protected you like
nothing else in many strong substances

.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Robin Whittle <rw@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Still more information on Poly Vinyl Alcohol, including the availability
> of water-soluble film for embroidery.
>
> (In the Yahoo Group archives, to view the diagrams and properly indented
> links, please use "Show Message Option > Use Fixed Width Font.)
>
> The proper name for Poly Vinyl Alcohol is "PVA", though "PVOH" is
> sometimes used. The proper name for Poly Vinyl Acetate is "PVAc", but
> most non-technical people refer to it as "PVA". In the following, "PVA"
> refers to Poly Vinyl Alcohol.
>
> I air-dried 10 grams of the Craft Smart Paper Gum glue (gently, over a
> day, in warm air, on a layer of wax) and the result was 1.4 grams of
> clear, tough, somewhat stretchy plastic film.
>
> From the MSDSs, it seems the exact same glue can be bought for $16 a
> litre as "Gloo Clear Gum":
>
>
> http://www.officeworks.com.au/retail/products/Office-Supplies/Stationery/Adhesives/Glues/Craft-Glues/LE1LGUM
>
> PVA is apparently unique among polymers in that it is not created
> directly by polymerizing monomer molecules, but by stripping off parts
> of an already existing polymer. This process may be referred to as
> "hydrolyzation", but "saponification" and "alcoholysis" may also be used.
>
> Fully hydrolyzed PVA has the following structure, where the carbon
> backbone is really zig-zag, rather than straight as shown here:
>
> H H H H
> \ / \ /
> <-C---C---C---C->
> / \ / \
> H O H O
> \ \
> H H
>
> Partially hydrolyzed PVA has some of the O-H groups remain in their
> initial state of:
>
> * H
> \ /
> O==C--C-H
> \
> H
>
> where the * is the second carbon on the first diagram.
>
> So fully hydrolyzed PVA is like polyethylene but with every fourth
> hydrogen replaced by an OH hydroxyl group. These hydroxyl groups are
> water soluble, while the plain H hydrogens are water repellent.
>
> According to:
>
> http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/469236/polyvinyl-alcohol-PVA
>
> fully hydrolyzed PVA is highly soluble in water and partially hydrolyzed
> PVA is partially soluble in water.
>
> We are interested in the partially hydrolyzed stuff, which is also used
> as a moisture-containing coating on food items and tablets, and in
> water-soluble packaging. See my next message for why I think "dissolvo"
> paper is not made with PVA.
>
> Companies which make water-soluble PVA film:
>
> http://www.pva-film.com/en/product_Features.html
> http://www.kuraray-am.com/pvoh-pvb/poval.php
> http://www.solublon.com/about_aicello.htm
>
> A Melbourne source of PVA water-soluble film (and Methyl Hydroxyl Propyl
> Cellulose "dissolvo" paper) is:
>
> http://www.daieiaust.com.au/plastic.php?la=la&cid=152
>
> Some more information:
>
> http://www.fao.org/fileadmin/templates/agns/pdf/jecfa/cta/61/PVA.pdf
>
> It seems that water is the only proper solvent for PVA. I was hoping
> there was a hydrocarbon solvent so it could be sprayed in solution onto
> paper, without the paper becoming soggy, as it does with water.
>
> However, there's another approach - either printing onto the PVA film
> itself, or bonding in some way (heat and pressure lamination?) the film
> onto some paper.
>
> Most water soluble PVA films seem to be used for industrial and
> packaging purposes. An exception is their use for "embroidery
> stabilizers". There can be a problem embroidering soft, thick, fabrics
> - and the solution is to lay a transparent PVA film over the top of the
> fabric (maybe bonding the two together?) before starting the embroidery.
> The film stops the stitches going too deep into the fabric. Then the
> film can be largely torn away, with the remainder being dissolved in the
> first wash.
>
> Products include Gunold Solvy. The MSDS indicates it is 100% polyvinyl
> alcohol:
>
> http://www.gunold.de/Home/Products/Foils/SOLVY/270
> http://www.gunold.de/images/productdwn/Sh_Solvy_GB.pdf
>
> Also Gutterman Sulky Solvy:
>
> http://www.sulky.com/stabilizers/solvy.php
>
> Various Solvy products can be purchased via eBay.
>
> I haven't researched these further, but there are multiple such products
> available at a nearby Spotlight craft and fabric shop, which is where I
> got the glue:
>
>
> http://www.spotlight.com.au/inspiration/projects/get-the-basics-g%C3%BCtermann-sulky-stabilisers/
>
> including "Totally Stable" which "can also be ironed onto light coloured
> fabric so that it can be put through an ink jet printer."
>
> I will check these out in the next few days.
>
> As a curious aside, PVA can be used to make fabric:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinylon
>
> North Korea has the only substantial factory for this. It is pretty
> poor fabric in most respects, "stiff, uncomfortable, shiny, prone to
> shrinking, and difficult to dye" but they make it because they can use
> just coal (anthracite) and limestone, without any reliance on oil.
>
> - Robin http://www.firstpr.com.au/pcb-diy/
>
>  
>



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The correct questions however are... What will it cost, and how long will
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] DIY laser transfer paper with water-based "gum" glue

2012-07-19 by Robin Whittle

Short version:  More details of making this transfer paper, including
using a globally available Elmer's glue.  Also, no success using
"wash-away" Poly Vinyl Alcohol embroidery stabilizer film.


I bought some "Elmer's Washable Clear School Glue" and used it to make
laser transfer paper.  It appears to be identical in all important
respects to the Poly Vinyl Alcohol glue I originally used:

. http://www.miyartcrafts.com.au/Craft-Smart-Paper-Gum.html

This Elmer's glue is widely available in the USA and I assume in other
countries.  The 5 Fl.Oz (147ml) bottle I bought was made in the USA.

. http://m.elmers.com/product/detail/E305

The MSDS doesn't list ingredients, but it indicates that the glue
contains nothing of interest regarding health concerns.  This is
consistent with it being based on Poly Vinyl Alcohol, which can be used
as a coating on snack bars.

Searching for:

"Elmers Clear School Glue"
"Elmer's Clear School Glue"

turns up many online retailers from various countries.

Judging by the MSDSs, I think "Gloo Clear Gum" would be identical to the
CraftSmart Paper Gum:

  http://www.miyartcrafts.com.au/view/1509
  http://www.craftsmart.com.au/data/craftsmart_catalogue.pdf

This is available in 1 litre bottles from Officeworks (though not my
closest store) and is also sold (I am not sure where) in 5 litre
bottles, for less than $8 a litre.

So I think this Poly Vinyl Alcohol glue is relatively easy to obtain.


I found greatest success so far with somewhat thicker paper, such as the
very smooth and dense Mondi "Color Copy" 160gsm:

http://www.mondigroup.com/paper_new/EN/color_copy_professional/Products/Color%20Copy/Product%20description/about_color_copy.aspx

This is widely available all over the world.  140gsm would probably be
fine too - I could only get 160gsm.  Two other papers which might be
worth trying are "HP Color Laser 120gsm" and "Mondi Color Copy 120gsm",
both of which I can purchase here at Officeworks.

The thinner the paper, the more curling and potentially sogginess.
However, if there was a way of getting a coating onto thinner paper,
this would probably work better in a laser printer than something
thicker - at least beyond 160gsm.

The paper needs to be smooth and even, and these high-density papers for
colour laser work are ideal.  These are not coated or glossy.  A coating
or gloss layer might be helpful for reducing curling of the paper when I
make it, but I am concerned it would reduce the flow of water through
the paper when I need to release it.

I made an 80/20 glue/water mix and added a few drops of food dye so I
can see more clearly how it is spreading over the paper.  I used a thin,
broad, squeegee to spread a film of glue over the paper.  Then I dried
it with a hot air gun.

I haven't figured out a non-messy way of doing this.  The paper still
curls.  Also, even if it was relatively flat going into the laser
printer, it curls inside the printer after going through the fuser roller.

I tried dampening the sheet in steam (on a wire tray immediately above a
tray of simmering water) before applying the glue mixture.  This may
reduce the curling when applying the mix.  I haven't tried the acetone /
kerosene mixture technique again.  I think it reduces curling, but it is
an extra step with volatile compounds.

I will try using a compressed air sprayer to make a future batch.  It is
possible that by quickly spraying and drying both sides of a sheet I
will get less curl, including less curl in the laser printer.  Coating
both sides may lengthen the release time, but the back layer coating
could be scrubbed off quickly, so this impact could probably be reduced
or eliminated.

The transfer paper I make with 160gsm Mondi Color Copy releases very
well, but it takes about 5 minutes for the water to soak through the
paper and soften the Poly Vinyl Alcohol layer.  I think this can be
accelerated somewhat by one or more of the following techniques: using
warm water; by agitating the water or rubbing it into the back of the
paper; by adding a little detergent; or by putting it in an ultrasonic
cleaner.  When it releases, the Poly Vinyl Alcohol layer remains with
the paper and comes away cleanly.  There's no visible residue of glue on
the surface which now holds the laser toner.  (I am using this for
purposes other than toner transfer to copper - I will write about these
techniques in the future.)


I purchased some Poly Vinyl Alcohol film which is intended to be used as
an embroidery stabilizer.  I got it by the metre from Spotlight and
don't remember exactly which type it was - but it was one of this series:

http://threads.madeira.de/threads/stabilizers-and-non-wovens/wash-away-stabilizers.html

It is far too soft and flimsy to put through a laser printer.  Even
taping one edge to a sheet of card or paper would not work, since it is
soft and prone to wrinkling.

I couldn't find a way of bonding this to paper to make a transfer film.
 There seems to be no solvent other than water, and water rapidly
dissolves it.  I used a ~150C laminator (an unmodified Lowell LOOL28)
and it only slightly attached itself to the paper.  Perhaps with a
higher temperature this might work.  However, I think coating paper with
a liquid glue is a better approach.

  - Robin  http://www.firstpr.com.au/pcb-diy/

Re: DIY laser transfer paper with water-based "gum" glue

2012-07-19 by AlienRelics

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Robin Whittle <rw@...> wrote:
>
> Short version:  More details of making this transfer paper, including
> using a globally available Elmer's glue.  Also, no success using
> "wash-away" Poly Vinyl Alcohol embroidery stabilizer film.

Dissolvo keeps getting mentioned. Look in Photos for the folder "TT + Water Soluble Paper".

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs/message/27448

At 36 cents a page, it doesn't seem worth all the trouble of coating paper. Except at <$20 a gallon for that Elmer's clear washable school glue, it is probably pennies a page.

> I purchased some Poly Vinyl Alcohol film which is intended to be used as
> an embroidery stabilizer.  I got it by the metre from Spotlight and
> don't remember exactly which type it was - but it was one of this series:
> 
> http://threads.madeira.de/threads/stabilizers-and-non-wovens/wash-away-stabilizers.html
> 
> It is far too soft and flimsy to put through a laser printer.  Even
> taping one edge to a sheet of card or paper would not work, since it is
> soft and prone to wrinkling.
> 
> I couldn't find a way of bonding this to paper to make a transfer film.
>  There seems to be no solvent other than water, and water rapidly
> dissolves it.  I used a ~150C laminator (an unmodified Lowell LOOL28)
> and it only slightly attached itself to the paper.

Some of us have been printing on fabric by bonding it to freezer paper with an iron or heat press. Freezer paper has a thin coating of plastic that melts to the fabric with a somewhat light bond.

However, I think the waterproof properties of it would make removing the dissolving paper take a lot more time.

Steve Greenfield AE7HD

Re: DIY laser transfer paper with water-based "gum" glue

2012-07-19 by tda7000

Note this though: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs/message/30367

("Only the true Dissolvo brand worked well, other, cheaper water
soluble papers left some residue.")


--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "AlienRelics" <alienrelics@...> wrote:
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> 
> Dissolvo keeps getting mentioned. Look in Photos for the folder "TT + Water Soluble Paper".
> 
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs/message/27448