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Why is solder resist film so hard to find?

Why is solder resist film so hard to find?

2012-06-10 by jberghout

Hi. I'm new to the group. I was recently bitten by homebrew PCB bug. But I've been scratching my head, wondering why it so hard to find the solder resist film in the US. I realize that a solder resist is no necessarily necessary for DIY boards that don't use surface mount components. But it's something that I would still like to use to make my boards look more professionally, and to protect it from the environment.

The ink they sell from china on ebay is primarily used for silk screening. and I might end up going this route, but it sure would be nice to have film available for one off designs.

Is there just not enough demand? Are there any other reasons?

Thanks in advance...

Re: Why is solder resist film so hard to find?

2012-06-10 by kx4om

If you are referring to solder mask (green film), it is sold in pens by various vendors.

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> Hi. I'm new to the group. I was recently bitten by homebrew PCB bug. But I've been scratching my head, wondering why it so hard to find the solder resist film in the US. I realize that a solder resist is no necessarily necessary for DIY boards that don't use surface mount components. But it's something that I would still like to use to make my boards look more professionally, and to protect it from the environment.
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> The ink they sell from china on ebay is primarily used for silk screening. and I might end up going this route, but it sure would be nice to have film available for one off designs.
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> Is there just not enough demand? Are there any other reasons?
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> Thanks in advance...
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Why is solder resist film so hard to find?

2012-06-11 by Kim Kemmerly

Dear jberghout,
 
Do a Google search for Dynamask.  You can view a video using Dynamask Solder Resist at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHDI18pIv68
 
Sincerely,
Kim Kemmerly


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Hi. I'm new to the group. I was recently bitten by homebrew PCB bug. But I've been scratching my head, wondering why it so hard to find the solder resist film in the US. I realize that a solder resist is no necessarily necessary for DIY boards that don't use surface mount components. But it's something that I would still like to use to make my boards look more professionally, and to protect it from the environment.

The ink they sell from china on ebay is primarily used for silk screening. and I might end up going this route, but it sure would be nice to have film available for one off designs.

Is there just not enough demand? Are there any other reasons?

Thanks in advance...




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Re: Why is solder resist film so hard to find?

2012-06-11 by jberghout

Yes. I've seen this YouTube video. I cannot find a US distributor for the green film used in the video except for maybe Thinkandtinker who sell it in 400 ft rolls for for more than $1500. 

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> Sincerely,
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> Hi. I'm new to the group. I was recently bitten by homebrew PCB bug. But I've been scratching my head, wondering why it so hard to find the solder resist film in the US. I realize that a solder resist is no necessarily necessary for DIY boards that don't use surface mount components. But it's something that I would still like to use to make my boards look more professionally, and to protect it from the environment.
> 
> The ink they sell from china on ebay is primarily used for silk screening. and I might end up going this route, but it sure would be nice to have film available for one off designs.
> 
> Is there just not enough demand? Are there any other reasons?
> 
> Thanks in advance...
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Re: Why is solder resist film so hard to find?

2012-06-11 by twb8899

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "jberghout" <jberghout@...> wrote:
>
> Hi. I'm new to the group. I was recently bitten by homebrew PCB bug. But I've been scratching my head, wondering why it so hard to find the solder resist film in the US. I realize that a solder resist is no necessarily necessary for DIY boards that don't use surface mount components. But it's something that I would still like to use to make my boards look more professionally, and to protect it from the environment.
> 
> The ink they sell from china on ebay is primarily used for silk screening. and I might end up going this route, but it sure would be nice to have film available for one off designs.
> 
> Is there just not enough demand? Are there any other reasons?
> 
> Thanks in advance...
>

I have some DuPont Dry Film Soldermask if there is any interest. It takes quite a bit of pressure to laminate this film and you would also need a very powerful UV lamp to expose it. I used a DuPont vacuum laminator and a 5 kW exposure unit to process this material. It develops in a 1% sodium carbonate aqueous solution, same as the dry film used for primary circuit imaging although the development cycle is longer. 

The newer liquid photo imaged soldermask materials are probably better to use in a hobby setting. You can apply these liquid materials with a blank silk screen, bake until "tack free", expose, develop and final thermal cure. Not a lot of expensive equipment is needed unlike the dry film soldermask. 

The only advantage I can think of when using dry film soldermask is that it will readily tent over almost any size hole. One job I did years ago with dry film soldermask required tenting over 0.250" holes and this film worked with almost zero rejects. Other than for tenting applications I wouldn't use this stuff now days.

Re: Why is solder resist film so hard to find?

2012-06-11 by jberghout

Thanks for the reply. It helped a lot. I'm more or less just curious why it's not available. Dynamask looks really promising, but is unavailable here is the states. If something is unavailable, there is usually a good reason for it. Demand seems to rule what is available.

I have some of the liquid solder mask that I purchased on ebay. I've tried on two occasions to get it to bake until it's tack free, but I haven't been able to see any results from this. Maybe I'm not letting it bake for long enough or at a high enough temperature. When I pulled it out of the oven is was as tacky as when I put it in. I don't remember the length of time I baked it for the first time, but the second attempt I used 160F deg F for 10 min. I'll try a third time. Any suggestions as to what temperature and for how long?

I have been playing around with it in the sun. (I don't have a UV light source yet...) and it cures extremely fast. I would say that a thin layer will cure in about a minute. I was experimenting to see if I could partially cure it with UV, and then finish curing it with the pad pattern on, but with the quick curing time, it's hard to judge where the partially cured threshold is.

I also don't have a silk screen frame. I'm willing to go that route if I must. But is seems like a lot of work to use a screen to spread the ink for just a very small runs. especially when you consider cleanup time for the screen. And if I go that route, I'm tempted to just print the mask with the screen. Ultimately that will give the nicest result...again, it's comes down to clean-up time though. I guess the advantage of using a blank screen is that you can use one screen for all your projects. Hmmm...have to give this more thought.

If anyone else has experience with what I'm going through here, please let me know, or point me to a past thread that might help.

Re: Why is solder resist film so hard to find?

2012-06-11 by tda7000

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "jberghout" <jberghout@...> wrote:

> I also don't have a silk screen frame. I'm willing to go that route if I must. But is seems like a lot of work to use a screen to spread the ink for just a very small runs. especially when you consider cleanup time for the screen. 

Why not try a roller as used here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l1mXpL5lDQ

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Why is solder resist film so hard to find?

2012-06-12 by William Laakkonen

http://www.dickblick.com/products/pebeo-porcelaine-150/  (45mL is about US
5.00) has a transparent green which can be applied with a sponge/foam
applicator and oven fired at 300 F - of course you will need to apply over
your masked areas, which should be oven proof. I haven't used it but have
heard it looks and works fine.

Cheers,

Bill
N4BKT

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> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "jberghout" <jberghout@...> wrote:
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> > I also don't have a silk screen frame. I'm willing to go that route if I
> must. But is seems like a lot of work to use a screen to spread the ink for
> just a very small runs. especially when you consider cleanup time for the
> screen.
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> Why not try a roller as used here?
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l1mXpL5lDQ
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Re: Why is solder resist film so hard to find?

2012-06-12 by James

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "jberghout" <jberghout@...> wrote:
>
> Hi. I'm new to the group. I was recently bitten by homebrew PCB bug. But I've been scratching my head, wondering why it so hard to find the solder resist film in the US. I realize that a solder resist is no necessarily necessary for DIY boards that don't use surface mount components. But it's something that I would still like to use to make my boards look more professionally, and to protect it from the environment.
> 
> The ink they sell from china on ebay is primarily used for silk screening. and I might end up going this route, but it sure would be nice to have film available for one off designs.
> 
> Is there just not enough demand? Are there any other reasons?
> 
> Thanks in advance...
>

I recently tried a trick I read about online using Pebeo Vitria paint intended for painting glass and ceramic. I printed out the resist pattern, laminated the toner onto my etched and cleaned PCB, then used a $5 hobby airbrush to spray on a coat of slightly thinned Vitria. Tossed it on my hot plate to bake for about an hour at 140C and then scrubbed it with a paper towel dipped in acetone. The Vitria over the toner came right off, leaving a nice mask around the bare copper. I was impressed with the result, it really worked as solder mask, and looked slick too. Just make sure the PCB is nice and clean before you spray it, and don't thin the Vitria too much or it beads up and runs. Practice airbrushing first on a scrap, or a sheet of glossy magazine paper.

Re: Why is solder resist film so hard to find?

2012-06-13 by jberghout

> I recently tried a trick I read about online using Pebeo Vitria paint intended for painting glass and ceramic. 

I might try this method. I think the result looks nice. (I've seen some examples online and I like the shiny coating it make.) My question is if it works like a real solder mask? It certainly protects the traces, but does it 'resist' solder as well?

Last night I have had some partial success with the solder mask purchased on eBay. I spread on a thin coat with a makeshift squeegee. then baked it for about 20 min at 200F this set it up nicely. Then I put the acetate positive mask over the coating and secured it inside a picture frame and exposed it using the UV light my son uses for his Bearded Dragon. I put the light right next to the board and left it for about 10 min. After that I used Acetone on the board. The solder resist that was exposed to UV stayed, the pads came clean. The resist on the edge of the board that did not receive as much UV also came off, so I have to experiment with exposure times and methods. Also, I'm not happy with how I'm applying the resist. I need to figure out a good reliable way. Also, when the resist cures it is not shiny like 'store bought' boards or like Pebeo Vitria. Still, I'm happy with how far I've come.

I would be interested in seeing the result of a poll on this group of how many people actually bother to do solder masks.

Re: Why is solder resist film so hard to find?

2012-06-15 by Mario Mikulandra

Hi,

someone should try that method with a rubber roller or fine foam roller that TDA7000 suggested.  If LPKF can do it, why can't it be successful with other liquid solder masks. Well, I prefer dry film solder masks but why not try something different. Btw, Mega Electronics UK also sells dry film solder masks.

http://www.megauk.com/dry_film_laminators.php