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2012-02-13 by bebx2000
Here is a link to a downloadable book that might prove interesting, "Printed Circuit Boards, design, Fabrication, Assembly and Testing", Dr R S Khandpur, McGraw-Hill (2006) It covers everything about PCBs and in particular has a good section on plating processes. http://faculty.yu.edu.jo/myhomari/default.aspx?pg=c94d397c-06fd-4dfc-a4d5-7d5c25eccb06 Baxter
2012-02-13 by Robert
WoW! I just bought that book last week, it was around $30 with shipping No regrets as the actual book is easier on the eyes and has an old fashioned "tactle" feel. But I might have bought a different book if I had known of the download before purchasing... Robert --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "bebx2000" <bebx2000@...> wrote:
> > Here is a link to a downloadable book that might prove interesting, > > "Printed Circuit Boards, design, Fabrication, Assembly and Testing", Dr R S Khandpur, McGraw-Hill (2006) > > It covers everything about PCBs and in particular has a good section on plating processes. > > http://faculty.yu.edu.jo/myhomari/default.aspx?pg=c94d397c-06fd-4dfc-a4d5-7d5c25eccb06 > > Baxter >
2012-02-13 by David Mitchell
Wow again, thanks for posting that, it's a fantastic reference. On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 2:48 AM, Robert <oceanartscasino@...> wrote: > ** > > > WoW! I just bought that book last week, it was around $30 with shipping > > No regrets as the actual book is easier on the eyes and has an old > fashioned "tactle" feel. > > But I might have bought a different book if I had known of the download > before purchasing... > > Robert > > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "bebx2000" <bebx2000@...> wrote: > > > > Here is a link to a downloadable book that might prove interesting, > > > > "Printed Circuit Boards, design, Fabrication, Assembly and Testing", Dr > R S Khandpur, McGraw-Hill (2006) > > > > It covers everything about PCBs and in particular has a good section on > plating processes. > > > > > http://faculty.yu.edu.jo/myhomari/default.aspx?pg=c94d397c-06fd-4dfc-a4d5-7d5c25eccb06 > > > > Baxter > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-02-13 by David
Excellent book!! Many thanks for the link! --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "bebx2000" <bebx2000@...> wrote:
> > Here is a link to a downloadable book that might prove interesting, > > "Printed Circuit Boards, design, Fabrication, Assembly and Testing", Dr R S Khandpur, McGraw-Hill (2006) > > It covers everything about PCBs and in particular has a good section on plating processes. > > http://faculty.yu.edu.jo/myhomari/default.aspx?pg=c94d397c-06fd-4dfc-a4d5-7d5c25eccb06 > > Baxter >
2012-02-13 by Donald H Locker
Please check the copyright on that download and decide if you think it is legal for you to possess it. It does look to be an excellent book. Donald. -- *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue () no proprietary attachments; no html mail /\ ascii ribbon campaign - <www.asciiribbon.org> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bebx2000" <bebx2000@...> > To: "Homebrew PCBs" <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 11:21:00 PM > Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] PCB Book > Here is a link to a downloadable book that might prove interesting, > > "Printed Circuit Boards, design, Fabrication, Assembly and Testing", > Dr R S Khandpur, McGraw-Hill (2006) > > It covers everything about PCBs and in particular has a good section > on plating processes. > > http://faculty.yu.edu.jo/myhomari/default.aspx?pg=c94d397c-06fd-4dfc-a4d5-7d5c25eccb06 > > Baxter > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and > Photos: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links > > >
2012-02-13 by Jean-François Bachelet
Hello all :-)
----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <dgh2259@...> To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 8:28 PM Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: PCB Book > Excellent book!! Many thanks for the link! +1 Thanks :-) JF
2012-02-14 by Robert
hmmm, a consideration, yes. I think it's legal for me, only because I purchased a physical hard copy printed by McGraw Hill. Having a download copy in addition only serves as backup if my book gets lost or damaged, also I can read it on the go from my laptop. anyway, I have the reciept for my book if there was ever any question, ordered through abebooks.com Robert --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Donald H Locker <dhlocker@...> wrote:
> > Please check the copyright on that download and decide if you think it is legal for you to possess it. It does look to be an excellent book. > > Donald. > -- > *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue > () no proprietary attachments; no html mail > /\ ascii ribbon campaign - <www.asciiribbon.org> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "bebx2000" <bebx2000@...> > > To: "Homebrew PCBs" <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 11:21:00 PM > > Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] PCB Book > > Here is a link to a downloadable book that might prove interesting, > > > > "Printed Circuit Boards, design, Fabrication, Assembly and Testing", > > Dr R S Khandpur, McGraw-Hill (2006) > > > > It covers everything about PCBs and in particular has a good section > > on plating processes. > > > > http://faculty.yu.edu.jo/myhomari/default.aspx?pg=c94d397c-06fd-4dfc-a4d5-7d5c25eccb06 > > > > Baxter > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and > > Photos: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
2012-02-14 by bebx2000
Hi Donald,
Interesting observation...
TERMS OF USE
This is a copyrighted work and The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc. ("McGraw-Hill") and its licensors reserve all rights in and to the work. Use of this work is subject to these terms. Except as permitted under the Copyright Act of 1976 and the right to store and retrieve one copy of the work, you may not decompile, disassemble, reverse engineer, reproduce, modify, create derivative works based upon, transmit, distribute, disseminate, sell, publish or sublicense the work or any part of it without McGraw-Hill's prior consent. You may use the work for your own noncommercial and personal use; any other use of the work is strictly prohibited. Your right to use the work may be terminated if you fail to comply with these terms.
Perhaps the poster, Mohammad Al-Omari, should take it down, password protect it or by some other means, prevent its download.
I read a few parts online and then deleted my copy in order not to violate the copyright.
Baxter
--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Donald H Locker <dhlocker@...> wrote:> > Please check the copyright on that download and decide if you think it is legal for you to possess it. It does look to be an excellent book. > > Donald. > --
2012-02-14 by lists
In article <jhcfsk+ufbg@...>, bebx2000 <bebx2000@...> wrote: > Perhaps the poster, Mohammad Al-Omari, should take it down, password > protect it or by some other means, prevent its download. He appears to be a lecturer at Yarmouk university, I think, in Jordan. Maybe Jordan doesn't recognise international copyright law or the copyright act of 1976 (Not sure which country this act is passed in). The international nature of the internet poses all sorts of interesting problems when something may be legal in one country and illegal in another yet accessible to all. -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
2012-02-14 by psykhon@yahoo.com
Robert: Wich book would you bought instead? --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <oceanartscasino@...> wrote:
> > WoW! I just bought that book last week, it was around $30 with shipping > > No regrets as the actual book is easier on the eyes and has an old fashioned "tactle" feel. > > But I might have bought a different book if I had known of the download before purchasing... > > > Robert > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "bebx2000" <bebx2000@> wrote: > > > > Here is a link to a downloadable book that might prove interesting, > > > > "Printed Circuit Boards, design, Fabrication, Assembly and Testing", Dr R S Khandpur, McGraw-Hill (2006) > > > > It covers everything about PCBs and in particular has a good section on plating processes. > > > > http://faculty.yu.edu.jo/myhomari/default.aspx?pg=c94d397c-06fd-4dfc-a4d5-7d5c25eccb06 > > > > Baxter > > >
2012-02-14 by lists
In article <jhaip2+cif5@...>, Robert <oceanartscasino@...> wrote: > WoW! I just bought that book last week, it was around $30 with shipping Where did you buy it? I just put "Printed Circuit Boards, design, Fabrication, Assembly and Testing" into Amazon and it drew a blank -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
2012-02-14 by Paul Galarneau
Try http://www.amazon.com/Printed-Circuit-Boards-Fabrication-McGraw-Hill/dp/0071464204/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1329240092&sr=8-1 :-) :-)
From: lists <Stuartlists@...> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:40:36 AM Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: PCB Book In article <jhaip2+cif5@...>, Robert <oceanartscasino@...> wrote: > WoW! I just bought that book last week, it was around $30 with shipping Where did you buy it? I just put "Printed Circuit Boards, design, Fabrication, Assembly and Testing" into Amazon and it drew a blank -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-02-14 by lists
In article <1329240168.82449.YahooMailNeo@...>, Paul Galarneau <pgsoft51@...> wrote: > Try http://www.amazon.com/Printed-Circuit-Boards-Fabrication-McGraw-Hill/dp/0071464204/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1329240092&sr=8-1 > > :-) :-) Aha! Amazon.com - American site. Bet they wouldn't ship free to the UK. I was looking on Amazon.co.uk -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
2012-02-14 by Chris Farrow
you might try abebooks.com: http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=6073974031&tab=1&searchurl=isbn%3D9780071464208%26sts%3Dt%26x%3D0%26y%3D0 the book itself is significantly less expensive, and shipping to the US is only $11 On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:16 AM, lists <Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk>wrote: > ** > > > In article <1329240168.82449.YahooMailNeo@...>, > > Paul Galarneau <pgsoft51@...> wrote: > > Try > http://www.amazon.com/Printed-Circuit-Boards-Fabrication-McGraw-Hill/dp/0071464204/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1329240092&sr=8-1 > > > > :-) :-) > > Aha! Amazon.com - American site. Bet they wouldn't ship free to the UK. > > I was looking on Amazon.co.uk > > > -- > Stuart Winsor > > Only plain text for emails > http://www.asciiribbon.org > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-02-14 by Paul Galarneau
Here is a cheaper one. http://www.abebooks.com/book-search/isbn/0071464204/ :-) :-)
From: lists <Stuartlists@...> To: "Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com" <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:16:51 PM Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: PCB Book In article <1329240168.82449.YahooMailNeo@...o.com>, Paul Galarneau <pgsoft51@...> wrote: > Try http://www.amazon.com/Printed-Circuit-Boards-Fabrication-McGraw-Hill/dp/0071464204/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1329240092&sr=8-1 > > :-) :-) Aha! Amazon.com - American site. Bet they wouldn't ship free to the UK. I was looking on Amazon.co.uk -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-02-14 by Bruce Parham
This makes no sense - $20 to almost $150 for a book that's already five to ten years out of date. No thanks! Bruce Paul Galarneau wrote:
> Here is a cheaper one. http://www.abebooks.com/book-search/isbn/0071464204/ > > :-) :-) > > From: lists <Stuartlists@...> > To: "Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com" <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:16:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: PCB Book > > > > In article <1329240168.82449.YahooMailNeo@...>, > Paul Galarneau <pgsoft51@...> wrote: > >> Try http://www.amazon.com/Printed-Circuit-Boards-Fabrication-McGraw-Hill/dp/0071464204/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1329240092&sr=8-1 >> >> :-) :-) >> > > Aha! Amazon.com - American site. Bet they wouldn't ship free to the UK. > > I was looking on Amazon.co.uk > >
2012-02-14 by Robert
Good question! There are so many, iy's really hard to choose, I can list a few that I cannot afford, guessing the high cost is a result of "on demand printing", which eliminates surplus and thus any hope of a discount, and finally these kinds of texts would appeal to a very small segment of the population, and guessing the majority of thise that would be interested are based internationally, around the world, especially where microelectronincs are a thriving business, the emerged markets and such, Phillipenes/Malaysia, Japan, China, India, Taiwain, even germany and the UK, but I really wonder how many would sell in the US... http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Handbook-of-Research-on-Synthetic-Emotions-and-Sociable-Robotics/Jordi-Vallverd/e/9781605663548/ http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Plasma-Surface-Interactions-Of-Advanced-Photoresist-Systems/Sebastian-Engelmann/e/9783639178241/ I have tried many times, and continue an open search, waiting for any change (hopefully less) in price. I have this search for many books and noticed all of them the price recently INCREASED about 10% to 15%! Older titles that are like new used in good condition can be found from time to time, but as I mentioned, this new inventoryless printing methodology is I fear going to harm the technical literacy of the world, I mean if only a few with deep pockets can afford then where do these texts end up? Robert --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, psykhon@... wrote:
> > Robert: > Wich book would you bought instead? > > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <oceanartscasino@> wrote: > > > > WoW! I just bought that book last week, it was around $30 with shipping > > > > No regrets as the actual book is easier on the eyes and has an old fashioned "tactle" feel. > > > > But I might have bought a different book if I had known of the download before purchasing... > > > > > > Robert > > > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@...m, "bebx2000" <bebx2000@> wrote: > > > > > > Here is a link to a downloadable book that might prove interesting, > > > > > > "Printed Circuit Boards, design, Fabrication, Assembly and Testing", Dr R S Khandpur, McGraw-Hill (2006) > > > > > > It covers everything about PCBs and in particular has a good section on plating processes. > > > > > > http://faculty.yu.edu.jo/myhomari/default.aspx?pg=c94d397c-06fd-4dfc-a4d5-7d5c25eccb06 > > > > > > Baxter > > > > > >
2012-02-15 by Robert
I use Barnes & Noble as a primary search, and supliment with search from Abebooks.com and Biblio.com Usually when a "marketplace" title shows up in a B&N search the seller's price is about 5% less either direct or through Abebooks.com or Biblio.com FYI: I have never had very good result with amazon search Multiple search will often find the same titles from the same seller, the interesting thing is there are usually differences in price, guessing this is margin for the website, whichever. Occasionally I will find a title at a very good price on eBay, and it's also usually from a seller that is listed with Abebooks or Biblio, but more often than not almost every title listed on eBay is marked up far beyond any found in any search, higher than suggested retail even, guessing this is the result of "direct selling", where a seller does not have the item, they just place massive amounts of ads marking everything up and then when some one falls into their snare they just buy from the lowest available retail and ship directly to the buyer. This is another form of inventoryless selling although much different in nature and not at all nice for the consumer or much of anything really, it serves to clutter searches and keep ad rates higher but what can you do, just noticing these things because I have found that a lot of searching, a lot of time, and a lot of patience is the best way to find the best deals, so when I find roadblocks like I've described it's a little disheartening, there's not a lot of ways around in some cases. Still I'm always optimistic for the future... (wanted to leave this topic on a good note :) Robert --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, lists <Stuartlists@...> wrote:
> > In article <jhaip2+cif5@...>, > Robert <oceanartscasino@...> wrote: > > WoW! I just bought that book last week, it was around $30 with shipping > > > Where did you buy it? > > I just put > > "Printed Circuit Boards, design, Fabrication, Assembly and Testing" > > into Amazon and it drew a blank > > -- > Stuart Winsor > > Only plain text for emails > http://www.asciiribbon.org >
2012-02-15 by Robert
I should mention another thing about texts, there are some club memberships that offer discounts, Barnes & Noble is $25 per year and if you buy more than 3 books you might break even, over that your probably saving, but that would only apply to new book purchases from B & N, and not "marketplace" books they list from outside sellers. another membership I do not as yet have, but it looks like it might be worth the investment, is a SPIE subscriber membership, with a student ID it's only $20. I wish they had a non-commercial hobbyest rate but the indinvidual rate is $105 http://spie.org/x24014.xml?ID=x24014 SPIE is a publisher of many interesting texts and membership offers discounts to publications, free journal access, etc. Robert --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <oceanartscasino@...> wrote:
> > I use Barnes & Noble as a primary search, and supliment with search from Abebooks.com and Biblio.com > > Usually when a "marketplace" title shows up in a B&N search the seller's price is about 5% less either direct or through Abebooks.com or Biblio.com > > FYI: I have never had very good result with amazon search > > Multiple search will often find the same titles from the same seller, the interesting thing is there are usually differences in price, guessing this is margin for the website, whichever. > > > Occasionally I will find a title at a very good price on eBay, and it's also usually from a seller that is listed with Abebooks or Biblio, but more often than not almost every title listed on eBay is marked up far beyond any found in any search, higher than suggested retail even, guessing this is the result of "direct selling", where a seller does not have the item, they just place massive amounts of ads marking everything up and then when some one falls into their snare they just buy from the lowest available retail and ship directly to the buyer. This is another form of inventoryless selling although much different in nature and not at all nice for the consumer or much of anything really, it serves to clutter searches and keep ad rates higher but what can you do, just noticing these things because I have found that a lot of searching, a lot of time, and a lot of patience is the best way to find the best deals, so when I find roadblocks like I've described it's a little disheartening, there's not a lot of ways around in some cases. > > Still I'm always optimistic for the future... > > (wanted to leave this topic on a good note :) > > Robert > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, lists <Stuartlists@> wrote: > > > > In article <jhaip2+cif5@>, > > Robert <oceanartscasino@> wrote: > > > WoW! I just bought that book last week, it was around $30 with shipping > > > > > > Where did you buy it? > > > > I just put > > > > "Printed Circuit Boards, design, Fabrication, Assembly and Testing" > > > > into Amazon and it drew a blank > > > > -- > > Stuart Winsor > > > > Only plain text for emails > > http://www.asciiribbon.org > > >
2012-02-15 by Robert
Interesting, SPIE has a student rate of only $10 for "special consideration" nations with less than world average salarys and income. The Individual rate for same is only $30... http://spie.org/x1763.xml I think given the current economy, jobs outlooks for anything technical, manufacturing, etc. and they should consider including the US in their discount list, to be entirely fair, the emerging nations have emerged and are in many case doing business without the US ever entering the picure, either through local economy or international sales not involving the US. All the jobs in the US nowadays seem to be service related moreso than R & D or manufacturing, we have become mindless users of technology, consumers rather than inovators, but that's another story... But, whatever the costs and logistics. SPIE looks like a pretty good ticket for books all around. Robert --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <oceanartscasino@...> wrote:
> > I should mention another thing about texts, > > there are some club memberships that offer discounts, Barnes & Noble is $25 per year and if you buy more than 3 books you might break even, over that your probably saving, but that would only apply to new book purchases from B & N, and not "marketplace" books they list from outside sellers. > > another membership I do not as yet have, > but it looks like it might be worth the investment, is a SPIE subscriber membership, with a student ID it's only $20. I wish they had a non-commercial hobbyest rate but the indinvidual rate is $105 > > http://spie.org/x24014.xml?ID=x24014 > > SPIE is a publisher of many interesting texts and membership offers discounts to publications, free journal access, etc. > > > Robert > > > > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <oceanartscasino@> wrote: > > > > I use Barnes & Noble as a primary search, and supliment with search from Abebooks.com and Biblio.com > > > > Usually when a "marketplace" title shows up in a B&N search the seller's price is about 5% less either direct or through Abebooks.com or Biblio.com > > > > FYI: I have never had very good result with amazon search > > > > Multiple search will often find the same titles from the same seller, the interesting thing is there are usually differences in price, guessing this is margin for the website, whichever. > > > > > > Occasionally I will find a title at a very good price on eBay, and it's also usually from a seller that is listed with Abebooks or Biblio, but more often than not almost every title listed on eBay is marked up far beyond any found in any search, higher than suggested retail even, guessing this is the result of "direct selling", where a seller does not have the item, they just place massive amounts of ads marking everything up and then when some one falls into their snare they just buy from the lowest available retail and ship directly to the buyer. This is another form of inventoryless selling although much different in nature and not at all nice for the consumer or much of anything really, it serves to clutter searches and keep ad rates higher but what can you do, just noticing these things because I have found that a lot of searching, a lot of time, and a lot of patience is the best way to find the best deals, so when I find roadblocks like I've described it's a little disheartening, there's not a lot of ways around in some cases. > > > > Still I'm always optimistic for the future... > > > > (wanted to leave this topic on a good note :) > > > > Robert > > > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, lists <Stuartlists@> wrote: > > > > > > In article <jhaip2+cif5@>, > > > Robert <oceanartscasino@> wrote: > > > > WoW! I just bought that book last week, it was around $30 with shipping > > > > > > > > > Where did you buy it? > > > > > > I just put > > > > > > "Printed Circuit Boards, design, Fabrication, Assembly and Testing" > > > > > > into Amazon and it drew a blank > > > > > > -- > > > Stuart Winsor > > > > > > Only plain text for emails > > > http://www.asciiribbon.org > > > > > >