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Proxxon 38128 drill press -- collets for small bits?

Proxxon 38128 drill press -- collets for small bits?

2012-02-03 by Steve

Hi all,

A couple of weeks ago I inquired about small drill presses for PCB work. 
I'm kinda leaning toward the Proxxon 38128. Looks like the drill press 
comes with six collets, the smallest of which accommodates 1/32in (about 
1mm) shank size.

I'd like to be able to use a #76 bit and perhaps a #78 bit with this 
drill press. Anyone know if collets are available for the 38128 for 
those smaller size bits? If so, what is the source?

Thanks.

Steve K8JQ

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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Proxxon 38128 drill press -- collets for small bits?

2012-02-03 by Harvey White

On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:02:55 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>A couple of weeks ago I inquired about small drill presses for PCB work. 
>I'm kinda leaning toward the Proxxon 38128. Looks like the drill press 
>comes with six collets, the smallest of which accommodates 1/32in (about 
>1mm) shank size.
>
>I'd like to be able to use a #76 bit and perhaps a #78 bit with this 
>drill press. Anyone know if collets are available for the 38128 for 
>those smaller size bits? If so, what is the source?

Since you're dealing with PC boards, I'd use the carbide bits that are
available.  You need only a 1/8" collet.  They must be used with a
drill press, the less wobble from side to side *and* the less runout,
the better.

Harvey
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>Thanks.
>
>Steve K8JQ

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Proxxon 38128 drill press -- collets for small bits?

2012-02-04 by John Anhalt

All of my small carbide bits for PCB work have 1/8" shanks.

John
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Branko Badrljica 
  To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Proxxon 38128 drill press -- collets for small bits?


    
  Dne 03. 02. 2012 23:02, pis(e Steve:
  >
  > Hi all,
  >
  > A couple of weeks ago I inquired about small drill presses for PCB work.
  > I'm kinda leaning toward the Proxxon 38128. Looks like the drill press
  > comes with six collets, the smallest of which accommodates 1/32in (about
  > 1mm) shank size.
  >
  > I'd like to be able to use a #76 bit and perhaps a #78 bit with this
  > drill press. Anyone know if collets are available for the 38128 for
  > those smaller size bits? If so, what is the source?
  >

  This is not AFAIK meant for PCB work. It's for general-purpose work.

  I use drill stand MB 140/S (NO 28606) + IB/E drill/grinder ( NO 28481).

  Drill stand has extra bolt for elimination of air gap and it's very precise.
  IB/E drill unit has high yuality bearings and can achieve high rpms, 
  needed for PCB drilling with hard drill bits.

  Regards,

  Branko

  >
  > Thanks.
  >
  > Steve K8JQ
  >
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Proxxon 38128 drill press -- collets for small bits?

2012-02-04 by Branko Badrljica

Dne 03. 02. 2012 23:02, pis(e Steve:
>
> Hi all,
>
> A couple of weeks ago I inquired about small drill presses for PCB work.
> I'm kinda leaning toward the Proxxon 38128. Looks like the drill press
> comes with six collets, the smallest of which accommodates 1/32in (about
> 1mm) shank size.
>
> I'd like to be able to use a #76 bit and perhaps a #78 bit with this
> drill press. Anyone know if collets are available for the 38128 for
> those smaller size bits? If so, what is the source?
>

This is not AFAIK meant for PCB work. It's for general-purpose work.

I use drill stand MB 140/S (NO 28606)  + IB/E drill/grinder  ( NO 28481).

Drill stand has extra bolt for elimination of air gap and it's very precise.
IB/E drill unit has high yuality bearings and can achieve high rpms, 
needed for PCB drilling with hard drill bits.

Regards,

Branko




>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve K8JQ
>
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Proxxon 38128 drill press -- collets for small bits?

2012-02-04 by Steve

Thanks for the advice guys. I've seen the bits with the 1/8in shanks and 
my first thought was to not use them because they cost 2 or 3 times more 
than the constant-diameter bits. And I'm thinking these bits break 
easily and so replacement cost is something to keep in mind. Hence my 
inquiry re collet or perhaps a chuck for bits under 1mm in diameter.

Steve K8JQ

On 2/3/2012 7:36 PM, John Anhalt wrote:
> All of my small carbide bits for PCB work have 1/8" shanks.
>
> John
>    ----- Original Message -----
>    From: Branko Badrljica
>    To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
>    Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:10 PM
>    Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Proxxon 38128 drill press -- collets for small bits?
>
>
>
>    Dne 03. 02. 2012 23:02, pis(e Steve:
>    >
>    >  Hi all,
>    >
>    >  A couple of weeks ago I inquired about small drill presses for PCB work.
>    >  I'm kinda leaning toward the Proxxon 38128. Looks like the drill press
>    >  comes with six collets, the smallest of which accommodates 1/32in (about
>    >  1mm) shank size.
>    >
>    >  I'd like to be able to use a #76 bit and perhaps a #78 bit with this
>    >  drill press. Anyone know if collets are available for the 38128 for
>    >  those smaller size bits? If so, what is the source?
>    >
>
>    This is not AFAIK meant for PCB work. It's for general-purpose work.
>
>    I use drill stand MB 140/S (NO 28606) + IB/E drill/grinder ( NO 28481).
>
>    Drill stand has extra bolt for elimination of air gap and it's very precise.
>    IB/E drill unit has high yuality bearings and can achieve high rpms,
>    needed for PCB drilling with hard drill bits.
>
>    Regards,
>
>    Branko
>
>    >
>    >  Thanks.
>    >
>    >  Steve K8JQ
>    >
>    >  -- 
>    >  Read The Patriot Post Vertitas vos Liberabit
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>    >
>    >
>
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>
>
>
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Proxxon 38128 drill press -- collets for small bits?

2012-02-04 by Harvey White

rOn Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:18:50 -0500, you wrote:

>Thanks for the advice guys. I've seen the bits with the 1/8in shanks and 
>my first thought was to not use them because they cost 2 or 3 times more 
>than the constant-diameter bits. And I'm thinking these bits break 
>easily and so replacement cost is something to keep in mind. Hence my 
>inquiry re collet or perhaps a chuck for bits under 1mm in diameter.

I have a proxxon tool, the 120 volt model.  It has less runout than a
dremel (and I've tried at least two of them).  The main thing that
bothers these smaller bits is that they cannot bend, so any runout or
wobble in the press makes the drill break.

You want at least 20,000 RPM for the smaller ones, say #55 and
smaller, and adjustable speed for the larger ones, like a 0.125 used
for mounting holes.

The steel bits will not last, they will be sanded away into a needle
shape by the fiberglass in the PC board.  The carbide drills last a
lot longer.

Harbor Freight, for about 7.00 per package, sells 20 assorted (think
it's 20), carbide drill bits.  Not all the sizes will be useful, but
they are at least, cheap.  It's possible that the online store has
larger assortments than the retail stores.

Again, a drill press, high RPM, and no wobbling will be your friend
here.

Harvey
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>Steve K8JQ
>
>On 2/3/2012 7:36 PM, John Anhalt wrote:
>> All of my small carbide bits for PCB work have 1/8" shanks.
>>
>> John
>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>    From: Branko Badrljica
>>    To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
>>    Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:10 PM
>>    Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Proxxon 38128 drill press -- collets for small bits?
>>
>>
>>
>>    Dne 03. 02. 2012 23:02, pis(e Steve:
>>    >
>>    >  Hi all,
>>    >
>>    >  A couple of weeks ago I inquired about small drill presses for PCB work.
>>    >  I'm kinda leaning toward the Proxxon 38128. Looks like the drill press
>>    >  comes with six collets, the smallest of which accommodates 1/32in (about
>>    >  1mm) shank size.
>>    >
>>    >  I'd like to be able to use a #76 bit and perhaps a #78 bit with this
>>    >  drill press. Anyone know if collets are available for the 38128 for
>>    >  those smaller size bits? If so, what is the source?
>>    >
>>
>>    This is not AFAIK meant for PCB work. It's for general-purpose work.
>>
>>    I use drill stand MB 140/S (NO 28606) + IB/E drill/grinder ( NO 28481).
>>
>>    Drill stand has extra bolt for elimination of air gap and it's very precise.
>>    IB/E drill unit has high yuality bearings and can achieve high rpms,
>>    needed for PCB drilling with hard drill bits.
>>
>>    Regards,
>>
>>    Branko
>>
>>    >
>>    >  Thanks.
>>    >
>>    >  Steve K8JQ
>>    >
>>    >  -- 
>>    >  Read The Patriot Post Vertitas vos Liberabit
>>    >  http://patriotpost.us/subscription/
>>    >
>>    >
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Proxxon 38128 drill press -- collets for small bits?

2012-02-04 by Stefan Trethan

The constant diameter bits are usually HSS, you can use them with the
jacobs chuck with no problem. They bend much more before breaking but
don't stand up well when drilling glass fiber.

Carbide drills mostly come with the 1/8" shank, and should be used
with the collet. There are probably carbide drills with thin shanks,
but I am not aware of any solution for that. I have never seen collets
other than the standard set.

If you want them cheaper, simply buy second hand drills the PCB house
has thrown out or resharpened ones. They are still good for many many
holes and surely cheaper than any new bit.

ST
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On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Steve <steve65@...> wrote:
> Thanks for the advice guys. I've seen the bits with the 1/8in shanks and
> my first thought was to not use them because they cost 2 or 3 times more
> than the constant-diameter bits. And I'm thinking these bits break
> easily and so replacement cost is something to keep in mind. Hence my
> inquiry re collet or perhaps a chuck for bits under 1mm in diameter.
>
> Steve K8JQ
>
> On 2/3/2012 7:36 PM, John Anhalt wrote:
>> All of my small carbide bits for PCB work have 1/8" shanks.
>>
>> John
>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>    From: Branko Badrljica
>>    To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
>>    Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:10 PM
>>    Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Proxxon 38128 drill press -- collets for small bits?
>>
>>
>>
>>    Dne 03. 02. 2012 23:02, pis(e Steve:
>>    >
>>    >  Hi all,
>>    >
>>    >  A couple of weeks ago I inquired about small drill presses for PCB work.
>>    >  I'm kinda leaning toward the Proxxon 38128. Looks like the drill press
>>    >  comes with six collets, the smallest of which accommodates 1/32in (about
>>    >  1mm) shank size.
>>    >
>>    >  I'd like to be able to use a #76 bit and perhaps a #78 bit with this
>>    >  drill press. Anyone know if collets are available for the 38128 for
>>    >  those smaller size bits? If so, what is the source?
>>    >
>>
>>    This is not AFAIK meant for PCB work. It's for general-purpose work.
>>
>>    I use drill stand MB 140/S (NO 28606) + IB/E drill/grinder ( NO 28481).
>>
>>    Drill stand has extra bolt for elimination of air gap and it's very precise.
>>    IB/E drill unit has high yuality bearings and can achieve high rpms,
>>    needed for PCB drilling with hard drill bits.
>>
>>    Regards,
>>
>>    Branko
>>
>>    >
>>    >  Thanks.
>>    >
>>    >  Steve K8JQ
>>    >
>>    >  --
>>    >  Read The Patriot Post Vertitas vos Liberabit
>>    >  http://patriotpost.us/subscription/
>>    >
>>    >
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Proxxon 38128 drill press -- collets for small bits?

2012-02-04 by Leon Heller

On 03/02/2012 23:02, Steve wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> A couple of weeks ago I inquired about small drill presses for PCB work.
> I'm kinda leaning toward the Proxxon 38128. Looks like the drill press
> comes with six collets, the smallest of which accommodates 1/32in (about
> 1mm) shank size.
>
> I'd like to be able to use a #76 bit and perhaps a #78 bit with this
> drill press. Anyone know if collets are available for the 38128 for
> those smaller size bits? If so, what is the source?

Use reduced-shank drills.

Leon
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G1HSM

Re: Proxxon 38128 drill press -- collets for small bits?

2012-02-04 by Ray

I use these guys for my drill bits. Less than $1 each. I use a dremel tool in the dremel stand running at about 10K. It is extremely rare for me to break a bit and they last forever. The ones that I break are usually because I do something dumb like accidentally hitting the bit while I'm adjusting the drill stand height.

http://drillbitcity.com/

Ray

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Steve <steve65@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi all,
> 
> A couple of weeks ago I inquired about small drill presses for PCB work. 
> I'm kinda leaning toward the Proxxon 38128. Looks like the drill press 
> comes with six collets, the smallest of which accommodates 1/32in (about 
> 1mm) shank size.
> 
> I'd like to be able to use a #76 bit and perhaps a #78 bit with this 
> drill press. Anyone know if collets are available for the 38128 for 
> those smaller size bits? If so, what is the source?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Steve K8JQ
> 
> -- 
> Read The Patriot Post    Vertitas vos Liberabit
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