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Laminator selection and hacks

2011-11-15 by jhalbrecht

After my initial success with a toner transfer I would like to pursue
using some semi automated process beyond the clothes iron.

After reading a previous thread on tonner temperature it seems that
perhaps a flat press type laminator might not be a good choice. I had
considered buying one off the 'net used or new as they could have use in
other production duties around the laboratory (currently my bedroom and
garage) Something like one of these:

A new unit: http://bit.ly/u6j9ek <http://bit.ly/u6j9ek>
or this used item: http://bit.ly/vPKwP1 <http://bit.ly/vPKwP1>

I found this page after following some links to GBC laminator
conversions. It's for a pinch roller laminator. Seems affordable.

http://ultrakeet.com.au/index.php?id=article&name=superFuserV2
<http://ultrakeet.com.au/index.php?id=article&name=superFuserV2>
Looks like a pretty good description of the modification with specific
parts I've been able to find at their suggested source and others.

Opinions? Suggestions?





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Re: Laminator selection and hacks

2011-11-15 by JezusJonz

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "jhalbrecht" <jeffa@...> wrote:
>
> 
> After my initial success with a toner transfer I would like to pursue
> using some semi automated process beyond the clothes iron.
> 
> After reading a previous thread on tonner temperature it seems that
> perhaps a flat press type laminator might not be a good choice. I had
> considered buying one off the 'net used or new as they could have use in
> other production duties around the laboratory (currently my bedroom and
> garage) Something like one of these:
> 
> A new unit: http://bit.ly/u6j9ek <http://bit.ly/u6j9ek>
> or this used item: http://bit.ly/vPKwP1 <http://bit.ly/vPKwP1>
> 
> I found this page after following some links to GBC laminator
> conversions. It's for a pinch roller laminator. Seems affordable.
> 
> http://ultrakeet.com.au/index.php?id=article&name=superFuserV2
> <http://ultrakeet.com.au/index.php?id=article&name=superFuserV2>
> Looks like a pretty good description of the modification with specific
> parts I've been able to find at their suggested source and others.
> 
> Opinions? Suggestions?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>


 Buy a laminator....make sure that it has two heat settings cause you'll want to use it on the higher of the two. 
 Ive been using a GBC personal laminator for over a year now and have done a couple of hundred transfers. I dont make PCB boards I do badges on brass and copper with very fine lines. I original bought mine through Pulsar with their paper and green film and have been turning out product over and over with little or no failures other than ones I cause. I use from a .015 brass up to a .032 and the laminator holds up fine to the thicker material. 
THe big trick to using the laminator is preheating it for about 30 minutes and doing multiple passes to transfer the image.
Terry

Re: Laminator selection and hacks

2011-11-15 by leeleduc

I use both of these GBC pouch laminators right out of the box, no mods. They work fine. I use thin .031 inch board.

GBC HeatSeal H212 9.5in Laminator

GBC HeatSeal H220P Pouch Laminator

They can be found Online for around $50 US.



--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "jhalbrecht" <jeffa@...> wrote:
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>
> 
> After my initial success with a toner transfer I would like to pursue
> using some semi automated process beyond the clothes iron.
> 
> After reading a previous thread on tonner temperature it seems that
> perhaps a flat press type laminator might not be a good choice. I had
> considered buying one off the 'net used or new as they could have use in
> other production duties around the laboratory (currently my bedroom and
> garage) Something like one of these:
> 
> A new unit: http://bit.ly/u6j9ek <http://bit.ly/u6j9ek>
> or this used item: http://bit.ly/vPKwP1 <http://bit.ly/vPKwP1>
> 
> I found this page after following some links to GBC laminator
> conversions. It's for a pinch roller laminator. Seems affordable.
> 
> http://ultrakeet.com.au/index.php?id=article&name=superFuserV2
> <http://ultrakeet.com.au/index.php?id=article&name=superFuserV2>
> Looks like a pretty good description of the modification with specific
> parts I've been able to find at their suggested source and others.
> 
> Opinions? Suggestions?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Laminator selection and hacks

2011-11-15 by DJ Delorie

I've hacked my laminator to be MCU-controlled via a thermocouple, so I
can set a specific temperature, see it on the lcd, and monitor the
actual temperature as well.  Total cost was about $50 for the upgrade.

http://www.delorie.com/electronics/laminator/

Re: Laminator selection and hacks

2011-11-16 by tda7000

Haven't tried that specific laminator but I do have and use the older model he wrote about in the previous article
(http://ultrakeet.com.au/index.php?id=article&name=superfuser)

He says it (GBC Creative) can't do 1.6mm but mine has no problem with it. Not sure what the minimum amount of passes should be but I do about 10 (from a cold board) which works fine.

One thing to note (and this probably applies to laminators in general) that if you put the board through in the middle, your board edges may not transfer as well as the center.

To solve this I run the board through closer to the ends of the laminator for 2 of the later passes.

Note that with any laminator, small boards can potentially be annoying. I use a piece of cardboard to follow them through and push them out the other side.

Only funny thing with my laminator is that it works better on cold days. A couple of times I tried it on hot days and the transfer was lousy. I think when the ambient temperature is warm, the  temperature sensor is already too warm and the controller won't heat the rollers up enough.

I have never measured the temperature with a proper thermocouple and meter, but so far if I make sure I use it from cold it works well. This may only be specific to my laminator, I haven't heard of anyone else having the same problems.


Interesting the 'improved' version of the GBC Creative is now on the 'shitlist' - I had been told it was much better. Will have to ask him why he changed his mind!



--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "jhalbrecht" <jeffa@...> wrote:
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> I found this page after following some links to GBC laminator
> conversions. It's for a pinch roller laminator. Seems affordable.
> 
> http://ultrakeet.com.au/index.php?id=article&name=superFuserV2
> <http://ultrakeet.com.au/index.php?id=article&name=superFuserV2>
> Looks like a pretty good description of the modification with specific
> parts I've been able to find at their suggested source and others.
> 
> Opinions? Suggestions?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Laminator selection and hacks

2011-11-17 by DaveC

I have one of the original GB laminators mentioned in Ultrakeet's 
(PodeCoet?) hack article. I replaced the temp switch with one for 
300-plus (330? -- I forget) degrees F. I always use 10 passes.

If you do the temperature switch hack, watch closely when you do your 
first warm-up and first board(s). The plastic top of the laminator 
gets so hot it will deform. I decided to cut off the ends (they hold 
the switch and LEDs and cover the motor and drive gears) and ditch 
the middle 10 inches or so..

The small boards, as mentioned, can be problematic due to their small 
size relative to the roller width. To insure even pressure across the 
board, run them at the edge of the rollers and put a second blank, or 
scrap board (that you're not processing) next to it, "inboard" of it. 
This will even out the pressure on the target board.

Never leave the laminator on unattended. I always consider it a fire 
hazard and make sure I'm around when it's warming up and that I turn 
it off before leaving.

Good luck.

Cheers,
Dave

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>Haven't tried that specific laminator but I do have and use the 
>older model he wrote about in the previous article
>(http://ultrakeet.com.au/index.php?id=article&name=superfuser)
>
>He says it (GBC Creative) can't do 1.6mm but mine has no problem 
>with it. Not sure what the minimum amount of passes should be but I 
>do about 10 (from a cold board) which works fine.
>
>One thing to note (and this probably applies to laminators in 
>general) that if you put the board through in the middle, your board 
>edges may not transfer as well as the center.
>
>To solve this I run the board through closer to the ends of the 
>laminator for 2 of the later passes.
>
>Note that with any laminator, small boards can potentially be 
>annoying. I use a piece of cardboard to follow them through and push 
>them out the other side.
>
>Only funny thing with my laminator is that it works better on cold 
>days. A couple of times I tried it on hot days and the transfer was 
>lousy. I think when the ambient temperature is warm, the 
>temperature sensor is already too warm and the controller won't heat 
>the rollers up enough.
>
>I have never measured the temperature with a proper thermocouple and 
>meter, but so far if I make sure I use it from cold it works well. 
>This may only be specific to my laminator, I haven't heard of anyone 
>else having the same problems.
>
>
>Interesting the 'improved' version of the GBC Creative is now on the 
>'shitlist' - I had been told it was much better. Will have to ask 
>him why he changed his mind!
>
>
>
>--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "jhalbrecht" <jeffa@...> wrote:
>
>>  I found this page after following some links to GBC laminator
>>  conversions. It's for a pinch roller laminator. Seems affordable.
>>
>>  http://ultrakeet.com.au/index.php?id=article&name=superFuserV2
>>  <http://ultrakeet.com.au/index.php?id=article&name=superFuserV2>
>>  Looks like a pretty good description of the modification with specific
>>  parts I've been able to find at their suggested source and others.
>>
>  > Opinions? Suggestions?

Re: Laminator selection and hacks

2011-11-17 by jhalbrecht

> Interesting the 'improved' version of the GBC Creative is now on the
> 'shitlist' - I had been told it was much better. Will have to ask 
> him why he changed his mind!

I hope you'll report back to the list if you do get in touch with him.

The GBC units may be easier to obtain in the USA than the Lowell laminator mentioned in the new article. 

http://ultrakeet.com.au/index.php?id=article&name=superFuserV2

Re: Laminator selection and hacks

2011-11-17 by jhalbrecht

That's pretty cool! With this modification can you make the transfer with one pass through the laminator? 

And if not I wonder if the feed speed could be regulated? 

Does making multiple passes through a laminator ever cause misalignment of the artwork and the copper? Slippage? 

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, DJ Delorie <dj@...> wrote:
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>
> 
> I've hacked my laminator to be MCU-controlled via a thermocouple, so I
> can set a specific temperature, see it on the lcd, and monitor the
> actual temperature as well.  Total cost was about $50 for the upgrade.
> 
> http://www.delorie.com/electronics/laminator/
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Laminator selection and hacks

2011-11-17 by DJ Delorie

"jhalbrecht" <jeffa@...> writes:

> That's pretty cool! With this modification can you make the transfer
> with one pass through the laminator?

For toner transfer, I still use 8 passes (rotate the pcb 90 degrees with
each pass).  I suspect you need to bring the pcb itself up to
temperature also.  For UV film I have to lower the temp to 240 but I can
do it in one pass.

> And if not I wonder if the feed speed could be regulated? 

No, the motor is a fixed speed motor.

> Does making multiple passes through a laminator ever cause
> misalignment of the artwork and the copper? Slippage?

No, once it's stuck, it's stuck.

I suspect a multi-pass setup would want the TT paper to be smaller than
the pcb, though, so that the laminator grabs the big heavy part before
the light flimsy part ;-)

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