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Pizza Oven - is this possible

2011-09-02 by Peter Harrison

Hi

I was looking around a local store and came across a tabletop pizza oven:

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/9331897/Trail/searchtext%3EPIZZA.htm

They are reasonably cheap and should have room inside for about 6" diameter. Has anyone tried reflow with one of these? I guess that, so long as it can get up to about 240 deg C inside it stands a chance but I am not so sure it could get that hot. Certainly, I am not sure enough to try buying one just to see. 

It would be nice and compact though. Maybe replace the thermostat�



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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Pizza Oven - is this possible

2011-09-02 by Ryan Bray

Plenty of people do re-flow currently with regular toaster ovens...
Sparkfun did a nice comparison. Their favourite method though?
Hotplate.

http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/59

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> They are reasonably cheap and should have room inside for about 6" diameter. Has anyone tried reflow with one of these? I guess that, so long as it can get up to about 240 deg C inside it stands a chance but I am not so sure it could get that hot. Certainly, I am not sure enough to try buying one just to see.
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Pizza Oven - is this possible

2011-09-02 by Stefan Trethan

There was a discussion about pizza oven reflow some time ago, look in
the archive.
But it was another type where the pizza rotates through a hot air "wedge".

As you say any type of oven can work if sufficiently hot, which it
really should be to make a pizza.

I also prefer a hotplate for SMD soldering, heat transmission through
the PCB is much more even and consistent than radiant heat. Also
components can be tweaked during reflow. Doesn't work so well for
double-sided boards of course.

That reminds me - I should soon have a look at that plum cake in the oven.......

ST

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> I was looking around a local store and came across a tabletop pizza oven:
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> http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/9331897/Trail/searchtext%3EPIZZA.htm
>
> They are reasonably cheap and should have room inside for about 6" diameter. Has anyone tried reflow with one of these? I guess that, so long as it can get up to about 240 deg C inside it stands a chance but I am not so sure it could get that hot. Certainly, I am not sure enough to try buying one just to see.
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Pizza Oven - is this possible

2011-09-02 by Bob Butcher

It does not take anything very special to do reflow on PCB's. The last place I worked I used a cheap toaster oven and soldered several hundred prototype surface mount boards. I measured the temperature profile, and it heated up and cooled down at close to the rate used by real reflow ovens. I simply used a syringe and needle to deposit small amounts of solder paste (Tin-lead solder, before ROHS) on the pads, or a line of paste on IC pads. The components were then placed on the board by hand close to the location where they belonged. A group of 5-6 boards was placed on the rack of the oven, and the thermostat was turned to maximum. The oven was turned on and I observed the boards through the window. When all the solder paste melted, easily seen as a change from black to molten solder, I allowed about 15 seconds to soak, then shut off the oven. I let it cool for about 5 minutes, then removed the boards. All the components were pulled into alignment by the
 surface tension of the molten solder, and the excess paste between pads migrated onto the pads, so we had very few solder bridges. Once in a while a component would "tombstone" if it did not have enough paste on one pad, but it was easy to fix with a solder iron. 


We were working mostly with 1206 and 805 size components, with 0.050 pitch ICs, and if we had a double sided board, it only had a few components on the backside, which we hand soldered. For very fine pitch it could be more difficult, and the ROHS solder may not work the same. Note that for this to work correctly you need solder mask between pads and traces, otherwise the components may be pulled out of alignment unless glued down first, which is often done for double sided boards.


I would be concerned about the hot air wedge in the pizza oven. If the airflow is too high, it might blow some components around before the solder has time to melt. I never tried a hotplate, but see no reason it would not work the same. You can often find toaster ovens at thrift stores for a few bucks. Just don't use them for food after melting solder.



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There was a discussion about pizza oven reflow some time ago, look in
the archive.
But it was another type where the pizza rotates through a hot air "wedge".

As you say any type of oven can work if sufficiently hot, which it
really should be to make a pizza.

I also prefer a hotplate for SMD soldering, heat transmission through
the PCB is much more even and consistent than radiant heat. Also
components can be tweaked during reflow. Doesn't work so well for
double-sided boards of course.

That reminds me - I should soon have a look at that plum cake in the oven.......

ST

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Peter Harrison
<peter.harrison@...> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I was looking around a local store and came across a tabletop pizza oven:
>
> http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/9331897/Trail/searchtext%3EPIZZA.htm
>
> They are reasonably cheap and should have room inside for about 6" diameter. Has anyone tried reflow with one of these? I guess that, so long as it can get up to about 240 deg C inside it stands a chance but I am not so sure it could get that hot. Certainly, I am not sure enough to try buying one just to see.
>
> It would be nice and compact though. Maybe replace the thermostat…
>
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RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Pizza Oven - is this possible

2011-09-02 by Bob Headrick

I would worry about this particular model.  It says it has a non-stick coating, which would typically be Teflon.  Teflon decomposes into toxic by-products at ~ 200C.  The page here: http://www.fluoridealert.org/pesticides/teflon.decomposition.prod.htm says:

“Overheating of PTFE generates fumes of highly toxic PFIB and poses a serious health hazard to the human respiratory tract. PFIB is approximately ten times as toxic as phosgene [2]. Inhalation of this gas can cause pulmonary edema, which can lead to death.”

I would not use this for reflow soldering, especially if it required bypassing or modifying the thermostat.

-       Bob Headrick

 

 

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> Hi
>
> I was looking around a local store and came across a tabletop pizza oven:
>
> http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/9331897/Trail/searchtext%3EPIZZA.htm
>
> They are reasonably cheap and should have room inside for about 6" diameter. Has anyone tried reflow with one of these? I guess that, so long as it can get up to about 240 deg C inside it stands a chance but I am not so sure it could get that hot. Certainly, I am not sure enough to try buying one just to see.
>
> It would be nice and compact though. Maybe replace the thermostat…
>
>
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Pizza Oven - is this possible

2011-09-02 by Peter Harrison

Interesting point. Presumably it is not just Teflon. After all, how do manufacturers get on with the huge variety of goods that have non-stick coatings for use in conventional ovens? My kitchen oven can get up to 250 deg C .I have used it for annealing milling cutters but it is a bit big just for knocking up the odd prototype PCB.



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On 2 Sep 2011, at 21:58, Bob Headrick wrote:

> I would worry about this particular model.  It says it has a non-stick coating, which would typically be Teflon.  Teflon decomposes into toxic by-products at ~ 200C.  The page here: http://www.fluoridealert.org/pesticides/teflon.decomposition.prod.htm says:
> 
> “Overheating of PTFE generates fumes of highly toxic PFIB and poses a serious health hazard to the human respiratory tract. PFIB is approximately ten times as toxic as phosgene [2]. Inhalation of this gas can cause pulmonary edema, which can lead to death.”
> 
> I would not use this for reflow soldering, especially if it required bypassing or modifying the thermostat.
> 
> -       Bob Headrick
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Peter Harrison
> <peter.harrison@... <mailto:peter.harrison%40helicron.net> > wrote:
>> Hi
>> 
>> I was looking around a local store and came across a tabletop pizza oven:
>> 
>> http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/9331897/Trail/searchtext%3EPIZZA.htm
>> 
>> They are reasonably cheap and should have room inside for about 6" diameter. Has anyone tried reflow with one of these? I guess that, so long as it can get up to about 240 deg C inside it stands a chance but I am not so sure it could get that hot. Certainly, I am not sure enough to try buying one just to see.
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Pizza Oven - is this possible

2011-09-02 by Peter Harrison

I have a toaster oven. This is attractive because it is very small and does not use a hot air flow.

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> I would be concerned about the hot air wedge in the pizza oven. If the airflow is too high, it might blow some components around before the solder has time to melt. I never tried a hotplate, but see no reason it would not work the same. You can often find toaster ovens at thrift stores for a few bucks. Just don't use them for food after melting solder.

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Pizza Oven - is this possible

2011-09-02 by Roberto

Hello,this interesting link:
http://www.reflow-kit.com/rkuk/order_product_details.html?p=13
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Plenty of people do re-flow currently with regular toaster ovens...
Sparkfun did a nice comparison. Their favourite method though?
Hotplate.

http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/59

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Peter Harrison
<peter.harrison@...> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I was looking around a local store and came across a tabletop pizza oven:
>
> http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/9331897/Trail/searchtext%3EPIZZA.htm
>
> They are reasonably cheap and should have room inside for about 6" 
> diameter. Has anyone tried reflow with one of these? I guess that, so long 
> as it can get up to about 240 deg C inside it stands a chance but I am not 
> so sure it could get that hot. Certainly, I am not sure enough to try 
> buying one just to see.
>
> It would be nice and compact though. Maybe replace the thermostat\ufffd
>
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Pizza Oven - is this possible

2011-09-03 by Stefan Trethan

Quote from wikipedia:

The pyrolysis of PTFE is detectable at 200 °C (392 °F), and it evolves
several fluorocarbon gases[12] and a sublimate. Animal studies
indicate that it is unlikely that these products would be generated in
amounts significant to health at temperatures below 250 °C (482
°F),[13] although birds are proven to be much more sensitive to these
decomposition products.[12][14]

While PTFE is stable and nontoxic, it begins to deteriorate after the
temperature of cookware reaches about 260 °C (500 °F), and decomposes
above 350 °C (662 °F).[15] These degradation by-products can be lethal
to birds, and can cause flu-like symptoms in humans.[15]

Meat is usually fried between 200 and 230 °C (392 and 446 °F), and
most oils will start to smoke before a temperature of 260 °C is
reached, but there are at least two cooking oils (refined safflower
oil and avocado oil) that have a higher smoke point than 260 °C. Empty
cookware can also exceed this temperature upon heating.

End quote



So unless you are chicken you should be fine. ;-)

I would be much more concerned about the flux fumes from solder paste.
Reflow soldering should be done with good ventilation.

Also, not all non stick coating is PTFE (that might be good or bad).

ST
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On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Bob Headrick <bobh@...> wrote:
> I would worry about this particular model.  It says it has a non-stick coating, which would typically be Teflon.  Teflon decomposes into toxic by-products at ~ 200C.  The page here: http://www.fluoridealert.org/pesticides/teflon.decomposition.prod.htm says:
>
> “Overheating of PTFE generates fumes of highly toxic PFIB and poses a serious health hazard to the human respiratory tract. PFIB is approximately ten times as toxic as phosgene [2]. Inhalation of this gas can cause pulmonary edema, which can lead to death.”
>
> I would not use this for reflow soldering, especially if it required bypassing or modifying the thermostat.
>
> -       Bob Headrick
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Peter Harrison
> <peter.harrison@... <mailto:peter.harrison%40helicron.net> > wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I was looking around a local store and came across a tabletop pizza oven:
>>
>> http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/9331897/Trail/searchtext%3EPIZZA.htm
>>
>> They are reasonably cheap and should have room inside for about 6" diameter. Has anyone tried reflow with one of these? I guess that, so long as it can get up to about 240 deg C inside it stands a chance but I am not so sure it could get that hot. Certainly, I am not sure enough to try buying one just to see.
>>
>> It would be nice and compact though. Maybe replace the thermostat…
>>
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RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Pizza Oven - is this possible

2011-09-03 by Mark Lerman

PTFE melts at 327C (621F); It is (was?) also used 
to coat non stick cooking pans. More than a few 
pet birds were killed when these pans got 
overheated in the kitchen, but 327C is pretty hot.


At 04:58 PM 9/2/2011, you wrote:
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>I would worry about this particular model.  It 
>says it has a non-stick coating, which would 
>typically be Teflon.  Teflon decomposes into 
>toxic by-products at ~ 200C.  The page here: 
>http://www.fluoridealert.org/pesticides/teflon.decomposition.prod.htm says:
>
>“Overheating of PTFE generates fumes of highly 
>toxic PFIB and poses a serious health hazard to 
>the human respiratory tract. PFIB is 
>approximately ten times as toxic as phosgene 
>[2]. Inhalation of this gas can cause pulmonary 
>edema, which can lead to death.”
>
>I would not use this for reflow soldering, 
>especially if it required bypassing or modifying the thermostat.
>
>-       Bob Headrick
>
>
>
>
>
>On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Peter Harrison
><peter.harrison@... <mailto:peter.harrison%40helicron.net> > wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I was looking around a local store and came across a tabletop pizza oven:
> >
> > 
> http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/9331897/Trail/searchtext%3EPIZZA.htm
> >
> > They are reasonably cheap and should have 
> room inside for about 6" diameter. Has anyone 
> tried reflow with one of these? I guess that, 
> so long as it can get up to about 240 deg C 
> inside it stands a chance but I am not so sure 
> it could get that hot. Certainly, I am not sure 
> enough to try buying one just to see.
> >
> > It would be nice and compact though. Maybe replace the thermostat…
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Pizza Oven - is this possible

2011-09-03 by Donald H Locker

But solder melts above 327C/621F, so a hotplate soldering station should never be a non-stick one.

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> Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 8:44:01 AM
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> PTFE melts at 327C (621F); It is (was?) also used
> to coat non stick cooking pans. More than a few
> pet birds were killed when these pans got
> overheated in the kitchen, but 327C is pretty hot.
> 
> 
> At 04:58 PM 9/2/2011, you wrote:
> >I would worry about this particular model. It
> >says it has a non-stick coating, which would
> >typically be Teflon. Teflon decomposes into
> >toxic by-products at ~ 200C. The page here:
> >http://www.fluoridealert.org/pesticides/teflon.decomposition.prod.htm
> >says:
> >
> >“Overheating of PTFE generates fumes of highly
> >toxic PFIB and poses a serious health hazard to
> >the human respiratory tract. PFIB is
> >approximately ten times as toxic as phosgene
> >[2]. Inhalation of this gas can cause pulmonary
> >edema, which can lead to death.�
> >
> >I would not use this for reflow soldering,
> >especially if it required bypassing or modifying the thermostat.
> >
> >- Bob Headrick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Peter Harrison
> ><peter.harrison@... <mailto:peter.harrison%40helicron.net> >
> >wrote:
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I was looking around a local store and came across a tabletop
> > > pizza oven:
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/9331897/Trail/searchtext%3EPIZZA.htm
> > >
> > > They are reasonably cheap and should have
> > room inside for about 6" diameter. Has anyone
> > tried reflow with one of these? I guess that,
> > so long as it can get up to about 240 deg C
> > inside it stands a chance but I am not so sure
> > it could get that hot. Certainly, I am not sure
> > enough to try buying one just to see.
> > >
> > > It would be nice and compact though. Maybe replace the
> > > thermostat…
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Pizza Oven - is this possible

2011-09-03 by Stefan Trethan

Nonsense.
Please check your numbers.

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> But solder melts above 327C/621F, so a hotplate soldering station should never be a non-stick one.
>
> Donald.

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Pizza Oven - is this possible

2011-09-03 by Ryan Bray

Actually, that is a reasonable temperature for solder, especially rohs
compliant material.
On Sep 3, 2011 8:31 AM, "Stefan Trethan" <stefan_trethan@...> wrote:
> Nonsense.
> Please check your numbers.
>
> ST
>
> On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Donald H Locker <dhlocker@...>
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>> But solder melts above 327C/621F, so a hotplate soldering station should
never be a non-stick one.
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>> Donald.


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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Pizza Oven - is this possible

2011-09-03 by Stefan Trethan

No it is not. "solder melts above 327C/621F" is just wrong, even for
leadfree solder.
It may be the temperature you set on your soldering iron, but the
melting temperature is much lower:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder>

Typically you'd have a melting temperature of 220°C or below and a
reflow temperature of maybe 250°C for leadfdree, a little less for
leaded solder. If you make the hotplate much hotter you'll only toast
your boards a nice brown.

I would also prefer to avoid non-stick coating for a hotplate just to
get a bigger safety margin, a bare aluminium plate works well because
solder will not stick to it. You can put it on a cheap electric
cooking plate or even an old upside-down clothes iron.


ST
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On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Ryan Bray <rbray89@...> wrote:
> Actually, that is a reasonable temperature for solder, especially rohs
> compliant material.
> On Sep 3, 2011 8:31 AM, "Stefan Trethan" <stefan_trethan@...> wrote:
>> Nonsense.
>> Please check your numbers.
>>
>> ST
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>> On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Donald H Locker <dhlocker@...>
> wrote:
>>> But solder melts above 327C/621F, so a hotplate soldering station should
> never be a non-stick one.
>>>
>>> Donald.
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Pizza Oven - is this possible

2011-09-04 by Donald H Locker

That's what I get for using memory instead of references.  :(  Still too close for me.

Donald.
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> From: "Stefan Trethan" <stefan_trethan@...>
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> Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Pizza Oven - is this possible
> Nonsense.
> Please check your numbers.
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> ST
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> On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Donald H Locker <dhlocker@...>
> wrote:
> > But solder melts above 327C/621F, so a hotplate soldering station
> > should never be a non-stick one.
> >
> > Donald.
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