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Plating rate

2011-07-12 by Donald H Locker

I know that "real" circuit board houses don't etch away all the copper they don't want, I believe they plate up where the copper is desired over a very thin layer, then etch just a little copper away from everywhere.  Does anyone know how long it takes to lay down the 1oz (0.0014in) of copper on a "real" circuit board in the panel plating part of the process?

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Re: Plating rate

2011-07-13 by twb8899

I was in the PWB business for many years. Most jobs started with half ounce copper (.0007"). After drilling and electroless processing the panel was laminated with dry film photoresist, exposed, and then developed. At this point the only copper showing was the trace pattern which was then copper plated at 25 to 30 amps per square foot. 

After copper plating the panels were solder plated. The solder plating was also used as the etch resist. After stripping the dry film the panel had solder plated traces with a copper background that was only .0007" thick so the etching time was only a couple of minutes. That's the basic method of how it was done. Of course there was more processing after etching depending on the job requirements such as soldermask over bare copper etc.

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Donald H Locker <dhlocker@...> wrote:
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> I know that "real" circuit board houses don't etch away all the copper they don't want, I believe they plate up where the copper is desired over a very thin layer, then etch just a little copper away from everywhere.  Does anyone know how long it takes to lay down the 1oz (0.0014in) of copper on a "real" circuit board in the panel plating part of the process?
> 
> Thanks,
> Donald.
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Plating rate

2011-07-13 by Donald H Locker

Thanks, TWB.  I was just wondering how long it took to add the additional 0.00007 inches of copper for the traces.  I presume it is minutes to tens of minutes (and not hours because you probably can't afford that much time on the line) but I just don't know.

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----- Original Message -----
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> From: "twb8899" <twb8899@...>
> To: "Homebrew PCBs" <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:55:16 AM
> Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Plating rate
> I was in the PWB business for many years. Most jobs started with half
> ounce copper (.0007"). After drilling and electroless processing the
> panel was laminated with dry film photoresist, exposed, and then
> developed. At this point the only copper showing was the trace pattern
> which was then copper plated at 25 to 30 amps per square foot.
> 
> After copper plating the panels were solder plated. The solder plating
> was also used as the etch resist. After stripping the dry film the
> panel had solder plated traces with a copper background that was only
> .0007" thick so the etching time was only a couple of minutes. That's
> the basic method of how it was done. Of course there was more
> processing after etching depending on the job requirements such as
> soldermask over bare copper etc.
> 
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Donald H Locker <dhlocker@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I know that "real" circuit board houses don't etch away all the
> > copper they don't want, I believe they plate up where the copper is
> > desired over a very thin layer, then etch just a little copper away
> > from everywhere. Does anyone know how long it takes to lay down the
> > 1oz (0.0014in) of copper on a "real" circuit board in the panel
> > plating part of the process?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Donald.
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Re: Plating rate

2011-07-14 by twb8899

The copper plating rate on my system was about .001 inches in 30 minutes at 30 amps per square foot of copper surface area. This was in a 500 gallon tank with air agitation.

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Donald H Locker <dhlocker@...> wrote:
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> Thanks, TWB.  I was just wondering how long it took to add the additional 0.00007 inches of copper for the traces.  I presume it is minutes to tens of minutes (and not hours because you probably can't afford that much time on the line) but I just don't know.
> 
> Donald.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "twb8899" <twb8899@...>
> > To: "Homebrew PCBs" <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:55:16 AM
> > Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Plating rate
> > I was in the PWB business for many years. Most jobs started with half
> > ounce copper (.0007"). After drilling and electroless processing the
> > panel was laminated with dry film photoresist, exposed, and then
> > developed. At this point the only copper showing was the trace pattern
> > which was then copper plated at 25 to 30 amps per square foot.
> > 
> > After copper plating the panels were solder plated. The solder plating
> > was also used as the etch resist. After stripping the dry film the
> > panel had solder plated traces with a copper background that was only
> > .0007" thick so the etching time was only a couple of minutes. That's
> > the basic method of how it was done. Of course there was more
> > processing after etching depending on the job requirements such as
> > soldermask over bare copper etc.
> > 
> > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Donald H Locker <dhlocker@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I know that "real" circuit board houses don't etch away all the
> > > copper they don't want, I believe they plate up where the copper is
> > > desired over a very thin layer, then etch just a little copper away
> > > from everywhere. Does anyone know how long it takes to lay down the
> > > 1oz (0.0014in) of copper on a "real" circuit board in the panel
> > > plating part of the process?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Donald.
> > > --
> > > *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue
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> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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> > 
> > 
> >
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Plating rate

2011-07-15 by Donald H Locker

Thank you very much, TWB.  That was the information I sought.  Now, what to do with it?

Donald.
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----- Original Message -----
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> From: "twb8899" <twb8899@...>
> To: "Homebrew PCBs" <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:32:12 AM
> Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Plating rate
> The copper plating rate on my system was about .001 inches in 30
> minutes at 30 amps per square foot of copper surface area. This was in
> a 500 gallon tank with air agitation.
> 
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Donald H Locker <dhlocker@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, TWB. I was just wondering how long it took to add the
> > additional 0.00007 inches of copper for the traces. I presume it is
> > minutes to tens of minutes (and not hours because you probably can't
> > afford that much time on the line) but I just don't know.
> >
> > Donald.
> > --
> > *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue
> > () no proprietary attachments; no html mail
> > /\ ascii ribbon campaign - <www.asciiribbon.org>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "twb8899" <twb8899@...>
> > > To: "Homebrew PCBs" <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:55:16 AM
> > > Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Plating rate
> > > I was in the PWB business for many years. Most jobs started with
> > > half
> > > ounce copper (.0007"). After drilling and electroless processing
> > > the
> > > panel was laminated with dry film photoresist, exposed, and then
> > > developed. At this point the only copper showing was the trace
> > > pattern
> > > which was then copper plated at 25 to 30 amps per square foot.
> > >
> > > After copper plating the panels were solder plated. The solder
> > > plating
> > > was also used as the etch resist. After stripping the dry film the
> > > panel had solder plated traces with a copper background that was
> > > only
> > > .0007" thick so the etching time was only a couple of minutes.
> > > That's
> > > the basic method of how it was done. Of course there was more
> > > processing after etching depending on the job requirements such as
> > > soldermask over bare copper etc.
> > >
> > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Donald H Locker <dhlocker@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I know that "real" circuit board houses don't etch away all the
> > > > copper they don't want, I believe they plate up where the copper
> > > > is
> > > > desired over a very thin layer, then etch just a little copper
> > > > away
> > > > from everywhere. Does anyone know how long it takes to lay down
> > > > the
> > > > 1oz (0.0014in) of copper on a "real" circuit board in the panel
> > > > plating part of the process?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Donald.
> > > > --
> > > > *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue
> > > > () no proprietary attachments; no html mail
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files,
> > > and
> > > Photos:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 
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