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Why Homebrew?

2011-02-13 by windswaytoo@gmail.com

I have been a member of this group for some time and normally read all the posts. I design and build electronics, mostly with embedded controllers. I went thru the stage of making my own PCBs way back
in the late 1980s and early 1990s. I ran a successful business selling electronic devices then and throughout the 1990s. I switched to commercially made boards around 1993 as it was cost and time effective to do so. I retired around 1998. For the few projects I did for my own interests I used ExpressPCB to do the boards. I am now getting back into business and have taken up EagleCad to do the schematics/board layout stuff. I have begun to use the services of one of the batch businesses, DorkbotPDX, to do my board prototypes. My
boards are for the Arduino Mega and are 8.4 square inches in area. Dorkbot will make three of these for $42, for $5/sq in, which works out to $14 per board! They offer free shipping in the US and the turn-around is 9-10 days. The boards are two sided, PTH and silkscreening. BTW $10/sq in for 4 layer boards. Check it out
here:

http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/pcb_order

I have no interest in DorkbotPDX but am a happy user of their services

So, my question is why would I want to make my own boards with all the attendant fuss and mess and then etch and drill them or CNC them? Do you get a better board? A faster turnaround? There is no product to order or store. Is it cheaper to roll your own? I guess I just don't get it. Is it a hobby thing?

I expect this post will cause some consternation and there will be quite a few replies. Then again, I may be quietly ignored. 

Vic

Vic Fraenckel
KC2GUI
windswaytoo ATSIGN gmail DOT com

Re: Why Homebrew?

2011-02-13 by AlienRelics

The best way to win people over is probably not to imply that they are stupid.

Steve Greenfield AE7HD

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, windswaytoo@... wrote:
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> I have been a member of this group for some time and normally read all the posts. I design and build electronics, mostly with embedded controllers. I went thru the stage of making my own PCBs way back
> in the late 1980s and early 1990s. I ran a successful business selling electronic devices then and throughout the 1990s. I switched to commercially made boards around 1993 as it was cost and time effective to do so. I retired around 1998. For the few projects I did for my own interests I used ExpressPCB to do the boards. I am now getting back into business and have taken up EagleCad to do the schematics/board layout stuff. I have begun to use the services of one of the batch businesses, DorkbotPDX, to do my board prototypes. My
> boards are for the Arduino Mega and are 8.4 square inches in area. Dorkbot will make three of these for $42, for $5/sq in, which works out to $14 per board! They offer free shipping in the US and the turn-around is 9-10 days. The boards are two sided, PTH and silkscreening. BTW $10/sq in for 4 layer boards. Check it out
> here:
> 
> http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/pcb_order
> 
> I have no interest in DorkbotPDX but am a happy user of their services
> 
> So, my question is why would I want to make my own boards with all the attendant fuss and mess and then etch and drill them or CNC them? Do you get a better board? A faster turnaround? There is no product to order or store. Is it cheaper to roll your own? I guess I just don't get it. Is it a hobby thing?
> 
> I expect this post will cause some consternation and there will be quite a few replies. Then again, I may be quietly ignored. 
> 
> Vic
> 
> Vic Fraenckel
> KC2GUI
> windswaytoo ATSIGN gmail DOT com
>

RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Why Homebrew?

2011-02-13 by Tony Smith

> So, my question is why would I want to make my own boards with all the
> attendant fuss and mess and then etch and drill them or CNC them? Do you
get a
> better board? A faster turnaround? There is no product to order or store.
Is
> it cheaper to roll your own? I guess I just don't get it. Is it a hobby
thing?


You said it yourself:

    I ran a successful business selling.... I switched to commercially made
boards around 1993 as it was cost and time effective to do so....

That covers most of us, as for the rest, they just like making stuff.

Tony

Re: Why Homebrew?

2011-02-13 by Ben L

> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, windswaytoo@ wrote:
> >
> > So, my question is why would I want to make my own boards with all the attendant fuss and mess and then etch and drill them or CNC them? Do you get a better board? A faster turnaround? There is no product to order or store. Is it cheaper to roll your own? I guess I just don't get it. Is it a hobby thing?
> > 
> > I expect this post will cause some consternation and there will be quite a few replies. Then again, I may be quietly ignored. 
> > 
> > Vic
> > 
> > Vic Fraenckel
> > KC2GUI
> > windswaytoo ATSIGN gmail DOT com
> >
>


Why do you read all the posts about making PCB's @ home when you are not interested in building PCB's by Homebrew method?

Why would someone build PCB's at home, 
1.  Because they enjoy doing it.
2.  It is a Hobby
3.  Some sometimes make a little money at it.


Ben

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Why Homebrew?

2011-02-13 by Leon Heller

On 13/02/2011 14:12, windswaytoo@... wrote:
> I have been a member of this group for some time and normally read all the posts. I design and build electronics, mostly with embedded controllers. I went thru the stage of making my own PCBs way back
> in the late 1980s and early 1990s. I ran a successful business selling electronic devices then and throughout the 1990s. I switched to commercially made boards around 1993 as it was cost and time effective to do so. I retired around 1998. For the few projects I did for my own interests I used ExpressPCB to do the boards. I am now getting back into business and have taken up EagleCad to do the schematics/board layout stuff. I have begun to use the services of one of the batch businesses, DorkbotPDX, to do my board prototypes. My
> boards are for the Arduino Mega and are 8.4 square inches in area. Dorkbot will make three of these for $42, for $5/sq in, which works out to $14 per board! They offer free shipping in the US and the turn-around is 9-10 days. The boards are two sided, PTH and silkscreening. BTW $10/sq in for 4 layer boards. Check it out
> here:
>
> http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/pcb_order
>
> I have no interest in DorkbotPDX but am a happy user of their services
>
> So, my question is why would I want to make my own boards with all the attendant fuss and mess and then etch and drill them or CNC them? Do you get a better board? A faster turnaround? There is no product to order or store. Is it cheaper to roll your own? I guess I just don't get it. Is it a hobby thing?
>
> I expect this post will cause some consternation and there will be quite a few replies. Then again, I may be quietly ignored.

I can make a PCB at home in under 30 minutes, excluding drilling, with 
8/8 mil tracks. The only cost is the film I use for printing the artwork 
and the presensitized copper laminate. It will cost under $3 for an 8.4 
sq. in. board.

Why should I pay a lot more to a company like Dorkbot and wait for 10 days?

Leon
-- 
Leon Heller
G1HSM

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Why Homebrew?

2011-02-13 by Leon Heller

On 13/02/2011 15:16, AlienRelics wrote:
> The best way to win people over is probably not to imply that they are stupid.

Does using Dorkbot make the OP a dork? 9-)

Leon
-- 
Leon Heller
G1HSM

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Why Homebrew?

2011-02-13 by Tom Biery

1) Because its cheaper and faster
2) Because I want too.
3) Because I can get almost results and prototypes 
4) Why not?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr49aE2aV4E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmY1n9JTtA8

de kk30q





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Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Why Homebrew?

  
The best way to win people over is probably not to imply that they are stupid.

Steve Greenfield AE7HD

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, windswaytoo@... wrote:
>
> I have been a member of this group for some time and normally read all the 
>posts. I design and build electronics, mostly with embedded controllers. I went 
>thru the stage of making my own PCBs way back
> in the late 1980s and early 1990s. I ran a successful business selling 
>electronic devices then and throughout the 1990s. I switched to commercially 
>made boards around 1993 as it was cost and time effective to do so. I retired 
>around 1998. For the few projects I did for my own interests I used ExpressPCB 
>to do the boards. I am now getting back into business and have taken up EagleCad 
>to do the schematics/board layout stuff. I have begun to use the services of one 
>of the batch businesses, DorkbotPDX, to do my board prototypes. My
> boards are for the Arduino Mega and are 8.4 square inches in area. Dorkbot will 
>make three of these for $42, for $5/sq in, which works out to $14 per board! 
>They offer free shipping in the US and the turn-around is 9-10 days. The boards 
>are two sided, PTH and silkscreening. BTW $10/sq in for 4 layer boards. Check it 
>out
> here:
> 
> http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/pcb_order
> 
> I have no interest in DorkbotPDX but am a happy user of their services
> 
> So, my question is why would I want to make my own boards with all the 
>attendant fuss and mess and then etch and drill them or CNC them? Do you get a 
>better board? A faster turnaround? There is no product to order or store. Is it 
>cheaper to roll your own? I guess I just don't get it. Is it a hobby thing?
> 
> I expect this post will cause some consternation and there will be quite a few 
>replies. Then again, I may be quietly ignored. 
>
> 
> Vic
> 
> Vic Fraenckel
> KC2GUI
> windswaytoo ATSIGN gmail DOT com
>




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Re: Why Homebrew?

2011-02-13 by Ingo

Maybe I can give you an additional impression.

As already said, one thin is hobby, and people just like do do something by themselves.

But there really is another important point, even in the professional business:

I agree with you, that in professional business it doesn`t make manx sense to do the boards by yourself, when you compare time / costs etc. between using a service and doing it by yourself. Thats very true for just normal pcb`s.

So why did people buy our Systems? The reason was: they wanted to do something very special, what was either really, really expensive by an external service - like flexible pcbs- or they are doing completely new things, which you dont get anywhere -like etching conductive fabrics.






--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, windswaytoo@... wrote:
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> I have been a member of this group for some time and normally read all the posts. I design and build electronics, mostly with embedded controllers. I went thru the stage of making my own PCBs way back
> in the late 1980s and early 1990s. I ran a successful business selling electronic devices then and throughout the 1990s. I switched to commercially made boards around 1993 as it was cost and time effective to do so. I retired around 1998. For the few projects I did for my own interests I used ExpressPCB to do the boards. I am now getting back into business and have taken up EagleCad to do the schematics/board layout stuff. I have begun to use the services of one of the batch businesses, DorkbotPDX, to do my board prototypes. My
> boards are for the Arduino Mega and are 8.4 square inches in area. Dorkbot will make three of these for $42, for $5/sq in, which works out to $14 per board! They offer free shipping in the US and the turn-around is 9-10 days. The boards are two sided, PTH and silkscreening. BTW $10/sq in for 4 layer boards. Check it out
> here:
> 
> http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/pcb_order
> 
> I have no interest in DorkbotPDX but am a happy user of their services
> 
> So, my question is why would I want to make my own boards with all the attendant fuss and mess and then etch and drill them or CNC them? Do you get a better board? A faster turnaround? There is no product to order or store. Is it cheaper to roll your own? I guess I just don't get it. Is it a hobby thing?
> 
> I expect this post will cause some consternation and there will be quite a few replies. Then again, I may be quietly ignored. 
> 
> Vic
> 
> Vic Fraenckel
> KC2GUI
> windswaytoo ATSIGN gmail DOT com
>

Re: Why Homebrew?

2011-02-13 by Andrew

Vic,

You have asked a very legitimate question; no consternation here -- even though I do roll my own and plan to continue to do so. Here's why:

1) Your last question is right on the mark: this is a hobby for me, so part of the fun is seeing if I can make it work--even more, the fun is seeing that it DOES work, and I made it all myself! (please hold applause ... :)

2) I am no more than a moderately skilled amateur when it comes to electronics, but I enjoy trying out my own design ideas. I would hate to spend even $42 to make 3 boards that all have the same error(s) on them -- more than once it has taken me a first board to find all the errors. And I would hate to have to wait 9-10 days to find out that I have a design error, and then have to wait another 9-10 days to see if I corrected it.

3) Related to both 1 and 2 is that homebrew IS considerably cheaper, at least for me. I would estimate the cost for 8.4 square inches of double-sided copper clad board is around 50 cents (based on my last buy of boards off ebay); the cost of toner and paper is a few cents; the cost of etchant (using HCl + peroxide) is maybe another 50 cents if I make it fresh (considerably less per use if I reuse it with a bubbler). So, for around $1, I get a board the same day that I design it -- and I can redesign it that same day and make another. It does take a little while to drill, but not very long -- the total time spent printing, transferring, etching, and drilling is probably an hour total for a board that small. Yes, if I were doing this commercially, an hour per board would be a poor use of my time, if I think about paying myself per hour. But as a hobby, it is time spent having fun.

(By the way, when it comes to the pricing, I was not entirely sure I understood your math -- when you say your boards are 8.4 square inches, do you mean that it is an 8.4 square inch design for 3 complete boards? Otherwise, at $5/sq. in., it should be $42 for the whole 8.4 square inch board, right?)

None of the above invalidates your decision to go with a commercial house; certainly the final product that you get will look much nicer than mine (though mine don't look bad, IMHO), and different people value different aspects of the hobby. For me, the challenge of making the board is part of the fun, but for someone else, it may be sheer drudgery. For some, $42 is easy to justify on the hobby; for others (like me), $42 represents a significant portion of the budget I plan to spend on the hobby for the whole year -- including buying components. For some, the ultimate goal is to sell the boards -- in which case, going with a commercial house makes all kinds of sense. For others (like me), the boards are for personal projects. As they say, "different strokes for different folks ..."

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, windswaytoo@... wrote:
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> I have been a member of this group for some time and normally read all the posts. I design and build electronics, mostly with embedded controllers. I went thru the stage of making my own PCBs way back
> in the late 1980s and early 1990s. I ran a successful business selling electronic devices then and throughout the 1990s. I switched to commercially made boards around 1993 as it was cost and time effective to do so. I retired around 1998. For the few projects I did for my own interests I used ExpressPCB to do the boards. I am now getting back into business and have taken up EagleCad to do the schematics/board layout stuff. I have begun to use the services of one of the batch businesses, DorkbotPDX, to do my board prototypes. My
> boards are for the Arduino Mega and are 8.4 square inches in area. Dorkbot will make three of these for $42, for $5/sq in, which works out to $14 per board! They offer free shipping in the US and the turn-around is 9-10 days. The boards are two sided, PTH and silkscreening. BTW $10/sq in for 4 layer boards. Check it out
> here:
> 
> http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/pcb_order
> 
> I have no interest in DorkbotPDX but am a happy user of their services
> 
> So, my question is why would I want to make my own boards with all the attendant fuss and mess and then etch and drill them or CNC them? Do you get a better board? A faster turnaround? There is no product to order or store. Is it cheaper to roll your own? I guess I just don't get it. Is it a hobby thing?
> 
> I expect this post will cause some consternation and there will be quite a few replies. Then again, I may be quietly ignored. 
> 
> Vic
> 
> Vic Fraenckel
> KC2GUI
> windswaytoo ATSIGN gmail DOT com
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Why Homebrew?

2011-02-13 by Howard Chester

>I have been a member of this group for some time and normally read all
the posts. I design >and build electronics, mostly with embedded
controllers. I went thru the stage of making my >own PCBs way back

>in the late 1980s and early 1990s. I ran a successful business selling
electronic devices then >and throughout the 1990s. I switched to
commercially made boards around 1993 as it was >cost and time effective
to do so. I retired around 1998. For the few projects I did for my own
>interests I used ExpressPCB to do the boards. I am now getting back
into business and have >taken up EagleCad to do the schematics/board
layout stuff. I have begun to use the services >of one of the batch
businesses, DorkbotPDX, to do my board prototypes. My

>boards are for the Arduino Mega and are 8.4 square inches in area.

I started making my own boards in the mid '70s. In those days it was tape and rub down transfer (single sided). I the moved on to Positive20 Resist spray.
And in all this time, I still prefer home rolled.
The reason...pride, I look at a finished project (my own design or a copy of someone Else's) and think....I MADE THAT !!!
 


      

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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Why Homebrew?

2011-02-13 by lists

In article <ij8t9v+qfih@...>,
   Ben L <bhleavi@...> wrote:

> Why do you read all the posts about making PCB's @ home when you are not
> interested in building PCB's by Homebrew method?

> Why would someone build PCB's at home, 
> 1.  Because they enjoy doing it.
> 2.  It is a Hobby
> 3.  Some sometimes make a little money at it.

4. Because every one I do is "one-off".
5. Because I have little money and DIY is cheaper.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Midland RISC OS show - Sat July 9th 2011

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Why Homebrew?

2011-02-13 by Branko Badrljica

S, windswaytoo@... pis(e:
>
> <SNIP>
>
> http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/pcb_order
>
> I have no interest in DorkbotPDX but am a happy user of their services
>
> So, my question is why would I want to make my own boards with all the 
> attendant fuss and mess and then etch and drill them or CNC them? Do 
> you get a better board? A faster turnaround? There is no product to 
> order or store. Is it cheaper to roll your own? I guess I just don't 
> get it. Is it a hobby thing?
>
<SNIP>

Dpeneding on the price, your solution might satisfy SOME needs. If you 
need one good reason for DIY, look no further than the dates on your own 
links. 2-sided boards will go to production in more than one week at 
this moment. Four-sided will go in more than a month.

For those boards that can be done by DIY method, I can have etched 
2-sided board in hand in the matter of hour. It won't be exactly 
production-quality, but usually more than adequate, especially for the 
prototype. Also, I can do small series substantially cheaper than the 
PCB shop does.

Pushing and experimenting with DIY is lifting the limits and opens the 
field for more and more applications.



<REST SNIPPED>



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Re: Why Homebrew?

2011-02-13 by Tom Biery

I make alot of mistakes.  If I had to have my boards fabed and wait two weeks 
and pay $50 it would be a nightmare.

1) Because its cheaper and faster
2) Because I want too.
3) Because I can get almost results and prototypes 
4) Why not?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr49aE2aV4E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmY1n9JTtA8

de kk30q

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Why Homebrew?

2011-02-13 by Harvey White

On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:12:16 -0000, you wrote:

>I have been a member of this group for some time and normally read all the posts. I design and build electronics, mostly with embedded controllers. I went thru the stage of making my own PCBs way back
>in the late 1980s and early 1990s. I ran a successful business selling electronic devices then and throughout the 1990s. I switched to commercially made boards around 1993 as it was cost and time effective to do so. I retired around 1998. For the few projects I did for my own interests I used ExpressPCB to do the boards. I am now getting back into business and have taken up EagleCad to do the schematics/board layout stuff. I have begun to use the services of one of the batch businesses, DorkbotPDX, to do my board prototypes. My
>boards are for the Arduino Mega and are 8.4 square inches in area. Dorkbot will make three of these for $42, for $5/sq in, which works out to $14 per board! They offer free shipping in the US and the turn-around is 9-10 days. The boards are two sided, PTH and silkscreening. BTW $10/sq in for 4 layer boards. Check it out
>here:
>
>http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/pcb_order
>
>I have no interest in DorkbotPDX but am a happy user of their services

That's nice.  
>
>So, my question is why would I want to make my own boards with all the attendant fuss and mess and then etch and drill them or CNC them? Do you get a better board? A faster turnaround? There is no product to order or store. Is it cheaper to roll your own? I guess I just don't get it. Is it a hobby thing?

You obviously don't, otherwise, you would.  

I can do a 4 x 6 board for about 5 dollars in material or less. Double
sided, no plated through holes.  It takes time to do it.  I don't
count the cost of my time.

Dorkbot would charge120 dollars per board.  Since I am developing the
board and adding features, at 120 per board, I would soon run out of
money.

My boards are not of commercial quality, but I've managed to live with
that.

I'm willing to put up with the "fuss" and "mess" because I get what I
want, done my way, and for a one or two project, it's fine.  The cost
is acceptable to me, and I don't feel bad when I change my mind and
decide not to use a board, or have to redesign it.  Easier to toss 5
dollars than 130.

when the designs  stabilize (and some of this is due to vanishing
parts), then I may consider having a run of  boards made, if the price
is acceptable.

You used to run a business, I don't, and don't need to treat a hobby
like a business.

Harvey

>
>I expect this post will cause some consternation and there will be quite a few replies. Then again, I may be quietly ignored. 

Why would you think that I would somehow be alarmed that you'd pay 14
dollars for a PC board?

H.
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Re: Why Homebrew?

2011-02-13 by Kim

Here is my example...
One evening I came up with an idea when discussing with my friends.. next day I had the whole thing functional.. including the board. did not make that board again... 

More than that the learning I get with all the crazy details and depth one goes into here is priceless.

Kim

Re: Why Homebrew?

2011-02-13 by tda7000

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, windswaytoo@... wrote:

> So, my question is why would I want to make my own boards with all the attendant fuss and mess and then etch and drill them or CNC them? Do you get a better board? A faster turnaround? There is no product to order or store. Is it cheaper to roll your own? I guess I just don't get it. Is it a hobby thing?
> 
> I expect this post will cause some consternation and there will be quite a few replies. Then again, I may be quietly ignored. 
> 
> Vic
> 
> Vic Fraenckel
> KC2GUI
> windswaytoo ATSIGN gmail DOT com
>

I do boards myself for several reasons:

1) Like others my main reason is cost - I make so few of them, and usually never repeat any design that it would not be worth it to pay for a service from a professional company. (Especially not if you live in New Zealand as well!)

Sure you do have an initial cost of things like a laser printer and laminator but these can be purchased quite cheap if you look around.

I got a Lexmark T522 printer from TradeMe for about $35 and a laminator for around the same from TradeMe also. My drill (Proxxon FBS 240) did cost more but as below, it can be used for other things.

The great thing about both of these items is you can use them for other things too, so it's not as if you're buying them solely for something you hardly ever use them for ;)

Materials cost (Blank PCB and etchant, etc) aren't high either really, when you span the use out over multiple boards.


2) The speed at which I can have a completed board on my table is far far faster than any board house. Even if they could make and ship my PCB so it arrived the same day (no small miracle since it would probably have to come from another country) I'm sure costs would be astronomical!


3) Quality - my boards are certainly not better than professional ones, but with a laminator I get very nice results, so there is no reason on that front to go with a professional service anyway - and I don't really care about silk-screening etc. I have the design on my computer, so I know where everything needs to go.


4) Last but not least, as someone else said, you gain some good experience and learning from making them yourself.

Also there's a nice feeling of accomplishment when you get it done!


In saying all that though, if I did want to turn out 100 boards the same I'm pretty sure I would have to get them done somewhere else - after doing prototypes myself, of course ;)

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Why Homebrew?

2011-02-14 by Eldon Brown

Why Homebrew PCBs?

See my project post at:

http://wa0uwh.blogspot.com/2011/02/back-to-soldering.html

<http://wa0uwh.blogspot.com/2011/02/back-to-soldering.html>This only took
only about 20 minutes, from Laser Print to Ready to Load Parts.

Yes, I know it is small, but it is mine!


Regards,
Eldon Brown

72 - Eldon - WA0UWH - CN88xc - http://WA0UWH.blogspot.com/


On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:18 PM, tda7000 <Tda7000@...> wrote:

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>
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, windswaytoo@... wrote:
>
> > So, my question is why would I want to make my own boards with all the
> attendant fuss and mess and then etch and drill them or CNC them? Do you get
> a better board? A faster turnaround? There is no product to order or store.
> Is it cheaper to roll your own? I guess I just don't get it. Is it a hobby
> thing?
>


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RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Why Homebrew?

2011-02-14 by Tony Smith

> I can make a PCB at home in under 30 minutes, excluding drilling, with
> 8/8 mil tracks. The only cost is the film I use for printing the artwork
> and the presensitized copper laminate. It will cost under $3 for an 8.4
> sq. in. board.
> 
> Why should I pay a lot more to a company like Dorkbot and wait for 10
days?


And if it's SMD, you can skip most of the drilling which tends to be the
hard part (time wise anyway).  Make it single-sided and you might be able to
skip all of the drilling.

SMD has actually made homebrew a bit more viable, so long as you stick to
the bigger parts.

Tony

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Why Homebrew?

2011-02-14 by Piers Goodhew

I'm just reiterating what others have said, but my reasons are:

1 - I can get a 1-off board in under an hour. I'm not quite as far as NZ, but it's still a long enough wait here in au.
2 - yes, they are one offs
3 - it's a mile cheaper in those quantities
4 - it is fun. If I was doing it every day: Shenzhen!
5 - I don't drill no holes.... SMD baby

PG
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On 14/02/2011, at 6:03 PM, Tony Smith wrote:

> > I can make a PCB at home in under 30 minutes, excluding drilling, with
> > 8/8 mil tracks. The only cost is the film I use for printing the artwork
> > and the presensitized copper laminate. It will cost under $3 for an 8.4
> > sq. in. board.
> > 
> > Why should I pay a lot more to a company like Dorkbot and wait for 10
> days?
> 
> And if it's SMD, you can skip most of the drilling which tends to be the
> hard part (time wise anyway). Make it single-sided and you might be able to
> skip all of the drilling.
> 
> SMD has actually made homebrew a bit more viable, so long as you stick to
> the bigger parts.
> 
> Tony
> 
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Why Homebrew?

2011-02-14 by Peter Leybourne

Drilling the holes in pads I find is the easy part. With Sprint-Layout and I probably most other programs, each pad has a slight dimple in the middle where the copper is etched away. The dimple acts as a guide when using a mini drill by hand and the drill will seat itself in that dimple almost every time. With the board on a block of wood, I usually steady my hand as much as possible on the bench and the drill is held rigidly upright going in and coming out of the hole to avoid the chance of breakages. Each hole takes 3-4 seconds. It only takes minutes to zip through all the lot. Any other diameter holes such as those for mounting bolts can be tackled separately. 
Might be worth trial run on a scrap board first. 

Peter
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tony Smith 
  To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 7:03 AM
  Subject: RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Why Homebrew?


    
  > I can make a PCB at home in under 30 minutes, excluding drilling, with
  > 8/8 mil tracks. The only cost is the film I use for printing the artwork
  > and the presensitized copper laminate. It will cost under $3 for an 8.4
  > sq. in. board.
  > 
  > Why should I pay a lot more to a company like Dorkbot and wait for 10
  days?

  And if it's SMD, you can skip most of the drilling which tends to be the
  hard part (time wise anyway). Make it single-sided and you might be able to
  skip all of the drilling.

  SMD has actually made homebrew a bit more viable, so long as you stick to
  the bigger parts.

  Tony



  
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