Homebrew PCBs

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: VK3YV 
  To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 4:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?


    
  Hi Jean-Claude, that is a big help, now I need to know the DIP switch 
  settings, I will be using the parallel port, and hopefully be able to use it 
  with win xp, do you still have the dip switch settings?
  Many thanks,
  Don VK3YV........

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: <casy_ch@...>
  To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:08 AM
  Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?

  > Hi Don
  >
  > In the past I have had a DXY800 and later a DXY1150.
  >
  > All use HPGL (Hewlett Packard Graphic Language). Your programm should have 
  > a HPGL driver and will generate a <xx.PLT> file.
  >
  > If you go to:
  > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPGL
  > you will find the language it is using.
  >
  > 73 de Jean-Claude, Switzerland
  > HE9EZX
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: VK3YV
  > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:02 PM
  > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
  >
  >
  >
  > Hi, on seeing you are using a Roland Plotter for pcb drawing I have a 
  > query,
  > I have a Roland DXY 800 for which I have no information i.e.. dip switch
  > settings etc. that I would also like to use for PCB work. I have no
  > information at all about it , I don't even know what language it talks. 
  > Can
  > any one help, I have searched for hours but cant find anything regarding
  > setup or language/ emulation .
  > Regards,
  > Don VK3YV.....
  >
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "P COUNSELL" <pcounsell@...>
  > To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
  > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:54 PM
  > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
  >
  > > Unfortunately athough I have some pens whuch were designed for pcbs 
  > they
  > > are no longer availabe for rowland plotters. I do not see that as a big
  > > problem . I intend to use EDDING 404 PEN TIPS with edding 404 refill 
  > ink
  > > with a homemade holder. I will first try recharging my existing tips 
  > when
  > > they run out with EDDING PERMANENT MARKER REFILL INK, I expect this to
  > > work fine.
  > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > From: P COUNSELL
  > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
  > > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 10:41 PM
  > > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > I modified my DXY880a very easily by using a piece of standard pcb 
  > board
  > > so that the pen height was perfect for standard thickness pcbs.
  > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > From: borgrailuk
  > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
  > > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 9:30 PM
  > > Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
  > >
  > > Hi,
  > >
  > > Sounds interesting. How did you modify the plotter pen height and which
  > > pens/ink did you use?
  > >
  > > I have a DXY1200 - not too keen to modify height but am planning on 
  > using
  > > a slightly thinner pcb, which will fit.
  > >
  > > Stephen Freeman
  > >
  > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "P COUNSELL" <pcounsell@...> 
  > wrote:
  > > >
  > > > I have a very good dos program CADPAK and I use an old rowland 
  > DXY-880A
  > > plotter. Results are fantastic . I modified the height of the plotter 
  > pen
  > > to accomodate standard thickness PCB board. Only problem is it wont do
  > > tracks fine enough for intertrack knecking , itis also very slow on
  > > printing directly onto the copperlaminate but I have a cup of tea. Fine
  > > for prototyping.
  > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > > From: Bob Butcher
  > > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
  > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 9:53 PM
  > > > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > I have had a lot of trouble with toner transfer as well. My Brother
  > > 1440 laser printer toner will not release reliably from any paper I 
  > have
  > > found. I have heard the toner has a higher melting temperature than 
  > some
  > > other printers, but am not sure what the problem is.
  > > > I am not sure how you plan to modify the Artisan 50 inkjet printer to
  > > directly print on the rigid PCB material. Another thing to consider, 
  > most
  > > of the ink jet ink I have seen is water soluble, so the etchant will
  > > dissolve the ink before it has a chance. I know there are ink jet 
  > printers
  > > that are capable of using solvent based inks, but all the ones I have 
  > seen
  > > are very expensive, in the several thousands of dollar range. You can 
  > buy
  > > inexpensive "paint pens" from art and craft stores that might be useful 
  > if
  > > you could find a flat bed printer that could be adapted to pens. I have 
  > on
  > > old large format HP printer designed for CAD drafting that uses pens, 
  > but
  > > the pen only moves on one axis, and the paper is fed back and forth by 
  > a
  > > roller system for the other axis. The paper is wrapped around the 
  > rollers,
  > > so it cannot be easily adapted to a rigid PCB. If someone had a flat 
  > bed
  > > printer with a moving pen on two axes, that might work. Sounds like an 
  > old
  > > school
  > > > chart recorder might work, if you could find a working model that 
  > would
  > > interface to a modern computer.
  > > >
  > > > Bob
  > > >
  > > > --- On Wed, 7/21/10, gnuvvekaavaali <gnuvvekaavaali@...> wrote:
  > > >
  > > > From: gnuvvekaavaali <gnuvvekaavaali@...>
  > > > Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
  > > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
  > > > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 12:22 AM
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > I am looking for suggestions on the choice of
  > > >
  > > > Inkjet (for direct inkjet printing) or laser
  > > >
  > > > printer (toner transfer) for the occasional single sided PCB.
  > > >
  > > > I don't see I will be needing very thin or dense tracks.
  > > >
  > > > My experience with toner transfer have not been too good. I
  > > >
  > > > used a Samsung Laser printer, and a hot clothes iron,
  > > >
  > > > with different types of paper.
  > > >
  > > > Best results have been with glossy magazine paper, but still
  > > >
  > > > had some improper transfers.
  > > >
  > > > The Epson Artisan 50 inkjet seems to be moddable for direct pcb
  > > printing, and I can get that for cheap.
  > > >
  > > > Wondering if this is a easier and reliable way than toner transfer.
  > > >
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>
> I have used direct plotting to PCB in the past, and gave it up a few years
> ago.  I had ink flow problems which would result in the traces not being
> draw thickly enough several times through a plot.  I was using 0.35mm pen
> (so that I could do some thin traces) and I don't know if a larger pen size
> would help.  I wrote a Dephi (pascal) prgram which took the plot file and
> after a length of drawn line, inserted a number of pen up, backspace, pen
> down commands to 'shake' the pen and try and get more ink to the tip.
> 
>   If you want to try here are some of the things you need to know:
> 
>    You need to use a tungsten carbide 'X' point tip (the other tips are too
> soft)
>    the pen is raised up by the addition of a washer placed below the ring of
> the pen holder - experimentation will show you how low to put the ring so
> that the pen holder can pick it up, and how high to put it so that the pen
> tip is still flat on the surface of the board.
>    tape a peice of paper to the bed, and plot the board to the paper
>    Tape an oversized piece of PCB over the plot drawn above.
>    Fill the pen with ink (I tried for ages to find the right one, it was a
> steadler ink.  I think I still might have some at home if you want me to dig
> out the part number, but IIRR it was out of production the last time I
> bought some)
>    Plot the board
>    clean the pen - the only way to do this close to properly is to use an
> ultrasonic cleaning bath.  I ended up dissasembling the pen while cleaning
> (I'm told you shouldn't really do this!) as it could easily spent a couple
> of hours in the bath with me changing the solvent every 10 mins or so.
>   then etch and protect the board as usual.\
> 
>    I eventually gave up due to the trace issue above, and I couldn't
> translate it to double sided with any degree of accuracy.
> 
> Trev
> 
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:26 AM, <casy_ch@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Don
> >
> > Could you send me your private adress to <casy_ch at tbwil dot ch>. I have
> > files for you.
> >
> > Jean-Claude
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: VK3YV
> > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 4:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
> >
> > Hi Jean-Claude, that is a big help, now I need to know the DIP switch
> > settings, I will be using the parallel port, and hopefully be able to use
> > it
> > with win xp, do you still have the dip switch settings?
> > Many thanks,
> > Don VK3YV........
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <casy_ch@... <casy_ch%40tbwil.ch>>
> > To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:08 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
> >
> > > Hi Don
> > >
> > > In the past I have had a DXY800 and later a DXY1150.
> > >
> > > All use HPGL (Hewlett Packard Graphic Language). Your programm should
> > have
> > > a HPGL driver and will generate a <xx.PLT> file.
> > >
> > > If you go to:
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPGL
> > > you will find the language it is using.
> > >
> > > 73 de Jean-Claude, Switzerland
> > > HE9EZX
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: VK3YV
> > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@...m <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:02 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi, on seeing you are using a Roland Plotter for pcb drawing I have a
> > > query,
> > > I have a Roland DXY 800 for which I have no information i.e.. dip switch
> > > settings etc. that I would also like to use for PCB work. I have no
> > > information at all about it , I don't even know what language it talks.
> > > Can
> > > any one help, I have searched for hours but cant find anything regarding
> > > setup or language/ emulation .
> > > Regards,
> > > Don VK3YV.....
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "P COUNSELL" <pcounsell@...<pcounsell%40btinternet.com>
> > >
> > > To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:54 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
> > >
> > > > Unfortunately athough I have some pens whuch were designed for pcbs
> > > they
> > > > are no longer availabe for rowland plotters. I do not see that as a big
> > > > problem . I intend to use EDDING 404 PEN TIPS with edding 404 refill
> > > ink
> > > > with a homemade holder. I will first try recharging my existing tips
> > > when
> > > > they run out with EDDING PERMANENT MARKER REFILL INK, I expect this to
> > > > work fine.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: P COUNSELL
> > > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 10:41 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I modified my DXY880a very easily by using a piece of standard pcb
> > > board
> > > > so that the pen height was perfect for standard thickness pcbs.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: borgrailuk
> > > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 9:30 PM
> > > > Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Sounds interesting. How did you modify the plotter pen height and which
> > > > pens/ink did you use?
> > > >
> > > > I have a DXY1200 - not too keen to modify height but am planning on
> > > using
> > > > a slightly thinner pcb, which will fit.
> > > >
> > > > Stephen Freeman
> > > >
> > > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "P COUNSELL" <pcounsell@>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a very good dos program CADPAK and I use an old rowland
> > > DXY-880A
> > > > plotter. Results are fantastic . I modified the height of the plotter
> > > pen
> > > > to accomodate standard thickness PCB board. Only problem is it wont do
> > > > tracks fine enough for intertrack knecking , itis also very slow on
> > > > printing directly onto the copperlaminate but I have a cup of tea. Fine
> > > > for prototyping.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Bob Butcher
> > > > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 9:53 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have had a lot of trouble with toner transfer as well. My Brother
> > > > 1440 laser printer toner will not release reliably from any paper I
> > > have
> > > > found. I have heard the toner has a higher melting temperature than
> > > some
> > > > other printers, but am not sure what the problem is.
> > > > > I am not sure how you plan to modify the Artisan 50 inkjet printer to
> > > > directly print on the rigid PCB material. Another thing to consider,
> > > most
> > > > of the ink jet ink I have seen is water soluble, so the etchant will
> > > > dissolve the ink before it has a chance. I know there are ink jet
> > > printers
> > > > that are capable of using solvent based inks, but all the ones I have
> > > seen
> > > > are very expensive, in the several thousands of dollar range. You can
> > > buy
> > > > inexpensive "paint pens" from art and craft stores that might be useful
> >
> > > if
> > > > you could find a flat bed printer that could be adapted to pens. I have
> >
> > > on
> > > > old large format HP printer designed for CAD drafting that uses pens,
> > > but
> > > > the pen only moves on one axis, and the paper is fed back and forth by
> > > a
> > > > roller system for the other axis. The paper is wrapped around the
> > > rollers,
> > > > so it cannot be easily adapted to a rigid PCB. If someone had a flat
> > > bed
> > > > printer with a moving pen on two axes, that might work. Sounds like an
> > > old
> > > > school
> > > > > chart recorder might work, if you could find a working model that
> > > would
> > > > interface to a modern computer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Wed, 7/21/10, gnuvvekaavaali <gnuvvekaavaali@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: gnuvvekaavaali <gnuvvekaavaali@>
> > > > > Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
> > > > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 12:22 AM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I am looking for suggestions on the choice of
> > > > >
> > > > > Inkjet (for direct inkjet printing) or laser
> > > > >
> > > > > printer (toner transfer) for the occasional single sided PCB.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't see I will be needing very thin or dense tracks.
> > > > >
> > > > > My experience with toner transfer have not been too good. I
> > > > >
> > > > > used a Samsung Laser printer, and a hot clothes iron,
> > > > >
> > > > > with different types of paper.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best results have been with glossy magazine paper, but still
> > > > >
> > > > > had some improper transfers.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Epson Artisan 50 inkjet seems to be moddable for direct pcb
> > > > printing, and I can get that for cheap.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wondering if this is a easier and reliable way than toner transfer.
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > > > Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and
> > > > Photos:
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
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On 9/01/2011 7:30 AM, davethesteam@... wrote:
>
> Hi, I'm a new user so I'm not 100% sure how this works, so here goes: I have a Roland DXY-880A plotter but I can't get it to work as I don't have a manual and I have mucked-up the switch settings. Do you (or anyone) have anything you can send me with the DIP switch settings on, I'd be happy to buy a manual or photocopy if anyone has anything available. I've tried everywhere to get a manual or switch info and even Roland can't help. I've found lots of people looking though :-)
>
> TIA
>
> David
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Trevor Matthews<bigtrev97@...>  wrote:
>> I have used direct plotting to PCB in the past, and gave it up a few years
>> ago.  I had ink flow problems which would result in the traces not being
>> draw thickly enough several times through a plot.  I was using 0.35mm pen
>> (so that I could do some thin traces) and I don't know if a larger pen size
>> would help.  I wrote a Dephi (pascal) prgram which took the plot file and
>> after a length of drawn line, inserted a number of pen up, backspace, pen
>> down commands to 'shake' the pen and try and get more ink to the tip.
>>
>>    If you want to try here are some of the things you need to know:
>>
>>     You need to use a tungsten carbide 'X' point tip (the other tips are too
>> soft)
>>     the pen is raised up by the addition of a washer placed below the ring of
>> the pen holder - experimentation will show you how low to put the ring so
>> that the pen holder can pick it up, and how high to put it so that the pen
>> tip is still flat on the surface of the board.
>>     tape a peice of paper to the bed, and plot the board to the paper
>>     Tape an oversized piece of PCB over the plot drawn above.
>>     Fill the pen with ink (I tried for ages to find the right one, it was a
>> steadler ink.  I think I still might have some at home if you want me to dig
>> out the part number, but IIRR it was out of production the last time I
>> bought some)
>>     Plot the board
>>     clean the pen - the only way to do this close to properly is to use an
>> ultrasonic cleaning bath.  I ended up dissasembling the pen while cleaning
>> (I'm told you shouldn't really do this!) as it could easily spent a couple
>> of hours in the bath with me changing the solvent every 10 mins or so.
>>    then etch and protect the board as usual.\
>>
>>     I eventually gave up due to the trace issue above, and I couldn't
>> translate it to double sided with any degree of accuracy.
>>
>> Trev
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:26 AM,<casy_ch@...>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>> Could you send me your private adress to<casy_ch at tbwil dot ch>. I have
>>> files for you.
>>>
>>> Jean-Claude
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: VK3YV
>>> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 4:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
>>>
>>> Hi Jean-Claude, that is a big help, now I need to know the DIP switch
>>> settings, I will be using the parallel port, and hopefully be able to use
>>> it
>>> with win xp, do you still have the dip switch settings?
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Don VK3YV........
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:<casy_ch@...<casy_ch%40tbwil.ch>>
>>> To:<Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:08 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
>>>
>>>> Hi Don
>>>>
>>>> In the past I have had a DXY800 and later a DXY1150.
>>>>
>>>> All use HPGL (Hewlett Packard Graphic Language). Your programm should
>>> have
>>>> a HPGL driver and will generate a<xx.PLT>  file.
>>>>
>>>> If you go to:
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPGL
>>>> you will find the language it is using.
>>>>
>>>> 73 de Jean-Claude, Switzerland
>>>> HE9EZX
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: VK3YV
>>>> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:02 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi, on seeing you are using a Roland Plotter for pcb drawing I have a
>>>> query,
>>>> I have a Roland DXY 800 for which I have no information i.e.. dip switch
>>>> settings etc. that I would also like to use for PCB work. I have no
>>>> information at all about it , I don't even know what language it talks.
>>>> Can
>>>> any one help, I have searched for hours but cant find anything regarding
>>>> setup or language/ emulation .
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Don VK3YV.....
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "P COUNSELL"<pcounsell@...<pcounsell%40btinternet.com>
>>>>
>>>> To:<Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>>
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:54 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately athough I have some pens whuch were designed for pcbs
>>>> they
>>>>> are no longer availabe for rowland plotters. I do not see that as a big
>>>>> problem . I intend to use EDDING 404 PEN TIPS with edding 404 refill
>>>> ink
>>>>> with a homemade holder. I will first try recharging my existing tips
>>>> when
>>>>> they run out with EDDING PERMANENT MARKER REFILL INK, I expect this to
>>>>> work fine.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: P COUNSELL
>>>>> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 10:41 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I modified my DXY880a very easily by using a piece of standard pcb
>>>> board
>>>>> so that the pen height was perfect for standard thickness pcbs.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: borgrailuk
>>>>> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 9:30 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds interesting. How did you modify the plotter pen height and which
>>>>> pens/ink did you use?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a DXY1200 - not too keen to modify height but am planning on
>>>> using
>>>>> a slightly thinner pcb, which will fit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stephen Freeman
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>,
>>> "P COUNSELL"<pcounsell@>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I have a very good dos program CADPAK and I use an old rowland
>>>> DXY-880A
>>>>> plotter. Results are fantastic . I modified the height of the plotter
>>>> pen
>>>>> to accomodate standard thickness PCB board. Only problem is it wont do
>>>>> tracks fine enough for intertrack knecking , itis also very slow on
>>>>> printing directly onto the copperlaminate but I have a cup of tea. Fine
>>>>> for prototyping.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Bob Butcher
>>>>>> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 9:53 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have had a lot of trouble with toner transfer as well. My Brother
>>>>> 1440 laser printer toner will not release reliably from any paper I
>>>> have
>>>>> found. I have heard the toner has a higher melting temperature than
>>>> some
>>>>> other printers, but am not sure what the problem is.
>>>>>> I am not sure how you plan to modify the Artisan 50 inkjet printer to
>>>>> directly print on the rigid PCB material. Another thing to consider,
>>>> most
>>>>> of the ink jet ink I have seen is water soluble, so the etchant will
>>>>> dissolve the ink before it has a chance. I know there are ink jet
>>>> printers
>>>>> that are capable of using solvent based inks, but all the ones I have
>>>> seen
>>>>> are very expensive, in the several thousands of dollar range. You can
>>>> buy
>>>>> inexpensive "paint pens" from art and craft stores that might be useful
>>>> if
>>>>> you could find a flat bed printer that could be adapted to pens. I have
>>>> on
>>>>> old large format HP printer designed for CAD drafting that uses pens,
>>>> but
>>>>> the pen only moves on one axis, and the paper is fed back and forth by
>>>> a
>>>>> roller system for the other axis. The paper is wrapped around the
>>>> rollers,
>>>>> so it cannot be easily adapted to a rigid PCB. If someone had a flat
>>>> bed
>>>>> printer with a moving pen on two axes, that might work. Sounds like an
>>>> old
>>>>> school
>>>>>> chart recorder might work, if you could find a working model that
>>>> would
>>>>> interface to a modern computer.
>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- On Wed, 7/21/10, gnuvvekaavaali<gnuvvekaavaali@>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: gnuvvekaavaali<gnuvvekaavaali@>
>>>>>> Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
>>>>>> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 12:22 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am looking for suggestions on the choice of
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Inkjet (for direct inkjet printing) or laser
>>>>>>
>>>>>> printer (toner transfer) for the occasional single sided PCB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't see I will be needing very thin or dense tracks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My experience with toner transfer have not been too good. I
>>>>>>
>>>>>> used a Samsung Laser printer, and a hot clothes iron,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> with different types of paper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best results have been with glossy magazine paper, but still
>>>>>>
>>>>>> had some improper transfers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Epson Artisan 50 inkjet seems to be moddable for direct pcb
>>>>> printing, and I can get that for cheap.
>>>>>> Wondering if this is a easier and reliable way than toner transfer.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: davethesteam@...
  To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 2:30 PM
  Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Roland DXY 800/880





  Hi, I'm a new user so I'm not 100% sure how this works, so here goes: I 
have a Roland DXY-880A plotter but I can't get it to work as I don't have a 
manual and I have mucked-up the switch settings. Do you (or anyone) have 
anything you can send me with the DIP switch settings on, I'd be happy to 
buy a manual or photocopy if anyone has anything available. I've tried 
everywhere to get a manual or switch info and even Roland can't help. I've 
found lots of people looking though :-)

  TIA

  David

  --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Trevor Matthews <bigtrev97@...> 
wrote:
  >
  > I have used direct plotting to PCB in the past, and gave it up a few 
years
  > ago. I had ink flow problems which would result in the traces not being
  > draw thickly enough several times through a plot. I was using 0.35mm pen
  > (so that I could do some thin traces) and I don't know if a larger pen 
size
  > would help. I wrote a Dephi (pascal) prgram which took the plot file and
  > after a length of drawn line, inserted a number of pen up, backspace, 
pen
  > down commands to 'shake' the pen and try and get more ink to the tip.
  >
  > If you want to try here are some of the things you need to know:
  >
  > You need to use a tungsten carbide 'X' point tip (the other tips are too
  > soft)
  > the pen is raised up by the addition of a washer placed below the ring 
of
  > the pen holder - experimentation will show you how low to put the ring 
so
  > that the pen holder can pick it up, and how high to put it so that the 
pen
  > tip is still flat on the surface of the board.
  > tape a peice of paper to the bed, and plot the board to the paper
  > Tape an oversized piece of PCB over the plot drawn above.
  > Fill the pen with ink (I tried for ages to find the right one, it was a
  > steadler ink. I think I still might have some at home if you want me to 
dig
  > out the part number, but IIRR it was out of production the last time I
  > bought some)
  > Plot the board
  > clean the pen - the only way to do this close to properly is to use an
  > ultrasonic cleaning bath. I ended up dissasembling the pen while 
cleaning
  > (I'm told you shouldn't really do this!) as it could easily spent a 
couple
  > of hours in the bath with me changing the solvent every 10 mins or so.
  > then etch and protect the board as usual.\
  >
  > I eventually gave up due to the trace issue above, and I couldn't
  > translate it to double sided with any degree of accuracy.
  >
  > Trev
  >
  > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:26 AM, <casy_ch@...> wrote:
  >
  > >
  > >
  > > Don
  > >
  > > Could you send me your private adress to <casy_ch at tbwil dot ch>. I 
have
  > > files for you.
  > >
  > > Jean-Claude
  > >
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: VK3YV
  > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>
  > > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 4:23 PM
  > > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
  > >
  > > Hi Jean-Claude, that is a big help, now I need to know the DIP switch
  > > settings, I will be using the parallel port, and hopefully be able to 
use
  > > it
  > > with win xp, do you still have the dip switch settings?
  > > Many thanks,
  > > Don VK3YV........
  > >
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: <casy_ch@... <casy_ch%40tbwil.ch>>
  > > To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>>
  > > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:08 AM
  > > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
  > >
  > > > Hi Don
  > > >
  > > > In the past I have had a DXY800 and later a DXY1150.
  > > >
  > > > All use HPGL (Hewlett Packard Graphic Language). Your programm 
should
  > > have
  > > > a HPGL driver and will generate a <xx.PLT> file.
  > > >
  > > > If you go to:
  > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPGL
  > > > you will find the language it is using.
  > > >
  > > > 73 de Jean-Claude, Switzerland
  > > > HE9EZX
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > From: VK3YV
  > > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>
  > > > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:02 PM
  > > > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > Hi, on seeing you are using a Roland Plotter for pcb drawing I have 
a
  > > > query,
  > > > I have a Roland DXY 800 for which I have no information i.e.. dip 
switch
  > > > settings etc. that I would also like to use for PCB work. I have no
  > > > information at all about it , I don't even know what language it 
talks.
  > > > Can
  > > > any one help, I have searched for hours but cant find anything 
regarding
  > > > setup or language/ emulation .
  > > > Regards,
  > > > Don VK3YV.....
  > > >
  > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > From: "P COUNSELL" <pcounsell@...<pcounsell%40btinternet.com>
  > > >
  > > > To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com 
<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>>
  > > > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:54 PM
  > > > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
  > > >
  > > > > Unfortunately athough I have some pens whuch were designed for 
pcbs
  > > > they
  > > > > are no longer availabe for rowland plotters. I do not see that as 
a big
  > > > > problem . I intend to use EDDING 404 PEN TIPS with edding 404 
refill
  > > > ink
  > > > > with a homemade holder. I will first try recharging my existing 
tips
  > > > when
  > > > > they run out with EDDING PERMANENT MARKER REFILL INK, I expect 
this to
  > > > > work fine.
  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > > From: P COUNSELL
  > > > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com 
<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>
  > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 10:41 PM
  > > > > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > > I modified my DXY880a very easily by using a piece of standard pcb
  > > > board
  > > > > so that the pen height was perfect for standard thickness pcbs.
  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > > From: borgrailuk
  > > > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com 
<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>
  > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 9:30 PM
  > > > > Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
  > > > >
  > > > > Hi,
  > > > >
  > > > > Sounds interesting. How did you modify the plotter pen height and 
which
  > > > > pens/ink did you use?
  > > > >
  > > > > I have a DXY1200 - not too keen to modify height but am planning 
on
  > > > using
  > > > > a slightly thinner pcb, which will fit.
  > > > >
  > > > > Stephen Freeman
  > > > >
  > > > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com 
<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>,
  > > "P COUNSELL" <pcounsell@>
  > > > wrote:
  > > > > >
  > > > > > I have a very good dos program CADPAK and I use an old rowland
  > > > DXY-880A
  > > > > plotter. Results are fantastic . I modified the height of the 
plotter
  > > > pen
  > > > > to accomodate standard thickness PCB board. Only problem is it 
wont do
  > > > > tracks fine enough for intertrack knecking , itis also very slow 
on
  > > > > printing directly onto the copperlaminate but I have a cup of tea. 
Fine
  > > > > for prototyping.
  > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > > > From: Bob Butcher
  > > > > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com 
<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>
  > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 9:53 PM
  > > > > > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
  > > > > >
  > > > > >
  > > > > >
  > > > > > I have had a lot of trouble with toner transfer as well. My 
Brother
  > > > > 1440 laser printer toner will not release reliably from any paper 
I
  > > > have
  > > > > found. I have heard the toner has a higher melting temperature 
than
  > > > some
  > > > > other printers, but am not sure what the problem is.
  > > > > > I am not sure how you plan to modify the Artisan 50 inkjet 
printer to
  > > > > directly print on the rigid PCB material. Another thing to 
consider,
  > > > most
  > > > > of the ink jet ink I have seen is water soluble, so the etchant 
will
  > > > > dissolve the ink before it has a chance. I know there are ink jet
  > > > printers
  > > > > that are capable of using solvent based inks, but all the ones I 
have
  > > > seen
  > > > > are very expensive, in the several thousands of dollar range. You 
can
  > > > buy
  > > > > inexpensive "paint pens" from art and craft stores that might be 
useful
  > >
  > > > if
  > > > > you could find a flat bed printer that could be adapted to pens. I 
have
  > >
  > > > on
  > > > > old large format HP printer designed for CAD drafting that uses 
pens,
  > > > but
  > > > > the pen only moves on one axis, and the paper is fed back and 
forth by
  > > > a
  > > > > roller system for the other axis. The paper is wrapped around the
  > > > rollers,
  > > > > so it cannot be easily adapted to a rigid PCB. If someone had a 
flat
  > > > bed
  > > > > printer with a moving pen on two axes, that might work. Sounds 
like an
  > > > old
  > > > > school
  > > > > > chart recorder might work, if you could find a working model 
that
  > > > would
  > > > > interface to a modern computer.
  > > > > >
  > > > > > Bob
  > > > > >
  > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/21/10, gnuvvekaavaali <gnuvvekaavaali@> wrote:
  > > > > >
  > > > > > From: gnuvvekaavaali <gnuvvekaavaali@>
  > > > > > Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Inkjet or Laser for PCB work?
  > > > > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com 
<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>
  > > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 12:22 AM
  > > > > >
  > > > > >
  > > > > >
  > > > > > I am looking for suggestions on the choice of
  > > > > >
  > > > > > Inkjet (for direct inkjet printing) or laser
  > > > > >
  > > > > > printer (toner transfer) for the occasional single sided PCB.
  > > > > >
  > > > > > I don't see I will be needing very thin or dense tracks.
  > > > > >
  > > > > > My experience with toner transfer have not been too good. I
  > > > > >
  > > > > > used a Samsung Laser printer, and a hot clothes iron,
  > > > > >
  > > > > > with different types of paper.
  > > > > >
  > > > > > Best results have been with glossy magazine paper, but still
  > > > > >
  > > > > > had some improper transfers.
  > > > > >
  > > > > > The Epson Artisan 50 inkjet seems to be moddable for direct pcb
  > > > > printing, and I can get that for cheap.
  > > > > >
  > > > > > Wondering if this is a easier and reliable way than toner 
transfer.
  > > > > >
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>
> The title of this topic is DXY800 / 880 which are different plotters. The
> DXY800 is more like the DXY101 (and the manual says so).
> 
> In any case the DIP switches on the DXY800 are for setting the serial
> interface - Hopefully you aren't still using that. (Rather than the parallel
> interface.)
> 
> In any case, for the DXY800 the switches are as follows:
> 
> 1          300 Baud
> 
> 2          600 "
> 
> 3          1200 "
> 
> 4          2400 "
> 
> 5          9600 "
> 
> 7          Parity check ON:Odd OFF:Even
> 
> 8          Data Bit ON:7bit OFF:8bit
> 
> 9          Stop Bit ON:1bit OFF:2bit
> 
> 10         Parity Check ON:Yes OFF:No
> 
>  
> 
> Notes:
> 
> The dip switch must match the specs of the computer side (parity, top,baud
> etc)
> 
> For Baud switches be sure only one is on. Also when switching, first turn
> all switches OFF then turn the switch for desired baud rate ON.
> 
>  
> 
> Another point of interest is, if you press and hold the pen up and home
> switches together while powering up it will do a self test of grabbing each
> pen and doing a little dance with each pen in the pen up position. If you
> press the pen up switch one more time it will do the same with the pens down
> (On paper).
> 
>  
> 
> There isn't much more of interest in the manual. Just a description of each
> command and some example programs to draw something by sending commands
> manually.
> 
>  
> 
> Someone here also mentioned that the plotters accept HPGL. This is
> definitely not true for the 800. This is why I was forced to stop using it
> because Windows programs had no drivers for it. The 800 accepts command more
> resembling G-code (but not).
> 
> BUT I have found out recently that EAGLE PCB supports these old plotters. I
> haven't tried it but they're in the output setup choices.
> 
> I found cleaning pens and all the problems with them skipping and not making
> lines thin enough etc.,  was more trouble than doing the toner transfer
> process.
> 
>  
> 
> Sage
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

On 13/01/2011 8:37 AM, davethesteam66 wrote:
>
> Hello Dave,
> Thanks for the reply. I've managed to get the DIP switch settings for the 880 from a chap called Bill, the 880 settings are not the same as the 800. I'm sure that the 880 talks HPGL or something close as I have had it running from AutoCad some while ago, using a 7475A driver, wrong orientation and size but it did run.
>
> I am wanting to use the serial interface as the software I want to use will only send plotter type output to a serial port, not a parallel, things are more complicated as I'm wanting to get this running under Vista with a hardware port card so I've not got the port functionality I'd have with earlier versions of Windows. I guess I'm a masochist. :-)
>
> Pens i have not yet looked into but I am looking forward to challenges.
> Thanks again,
>
> David
>
>
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Sage"<davesage12@...>  wrote:
>> The title of this topic is DXY800 / 880 which are different plotters. The
>> DXY800 is more like the DXY101 (and the manual says so).
>>
>> In any case the DIP switches on the DXY800 are for setting the serial
>> interface - Hopefully you aren't still using that. (Rather than the parallel
>> interface.)
>>
>> In any case, for the DXY800 the switches are as follows:
>>
>> 1          300 Baud
>>
>> 2          600 "
>>
>> 3          1200 "
>>
>> 4          2400 "
>>
>> 5          9600 "
>>
>> 7          Parity check ON:Odd OFF:Even
>>
>> 8          Data Bit ON:7bit OFF:8bit
>>
>> 9          Stop Bit ON:1bit OFF:2bit
>>
>> 10         Parity Check ON:Yes OFF:No
>>
>>
>>
>> Notes:
>>
>> The dip switch must match the specs of the computer side (parity, top,baud
>> etc)
>>
>> For Baud switches be sure only one is on. Also when switching, first turn
>> all switches OFF then turn the switch for desired baud rate ON.
>>
>>
>>
>> Another point of interest is, if you press and hold the pen up and home
>> switches together while powering up it will do a self test of grabbing each
>> pen and doing a little dance with each pen in the pen up position. If you
>> press the pen up switch one more time it will do the same with the pens down
>> (On paper).
>>
>>
>>
>> There isn't much more of interest in the manual. Just a description of each
>> command and some example programs to draw something by sending commands
>> manually.
>>
>>
>>
>> Someone here also mentioned that the plotters accept HPGL. This is
>> definitely not true for the 800. This is why I was forced to stop using it
>> because Windows programs had no drivers for it. The 800 accepts command more
>> resembling G-code (but not).
>>
>> BUT I have found out recently that EAGLE PCB supports these old plotters. I
>> haven't tried it but they're in the output setup choices.
>>
>> I found cleaning pens and all the problems with them skipping and not making
>> lines thin enough etc.,  was more trouble than doing the toner transfer
>> process.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sage
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
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On 13/01/2011 10:10 AM, Bill Maxwell wrote:
> According to the limited information contained in the DXY-880 manual, it
> supports both the  DXY plotting language , presumably that used on the
> DXY800, and RD-GL (Roland DG Graphic Language).
>
> It includes a summary as follows:
>
> "The DXY commands are based on the commands used with the DXY series of
> plotters, however they have been improved to enable all programs for the
> DXY-800 to use this mode.
> Use of the "^" command to call RD-GL commands from the DXY mode enables
> the drawing programs written in the DXY mode to be high level drawing
> programs.
>
> *DXY-880 commands may be input in either upper or lower case characters."
>
> There is no specific mention of compatibility or otherwise with HPGL,
> although I note that in setting the plotter up for use with Lotus 123
> and Supercalc in DOS on an IBM PC, the computer configuration guide
> requires that you select HP 7470A as the Graphics Device.
>
> That of course might just set-up for ASCII transmission. One day I might
> sit down and do a comparison of RD-GL and HP-GL commands.
>
> Cheers
>
> Bill
>
> On 13/01/2011 8:37 AM, davethesteam66 wrote:
>> Hello Dave,
>> Thanks for the reply. I've managed to get the DIP switch settings for the 880 from a chap called Bill, the 880 settings are not the same as the 800. I'm sure that the 880 talks HPGL or something close as I have had it running from AutoCad some while ago, using a 7475A driver, wrong orientation and size but it did run.
>>
>> I am wanting to use the serial interface as the software I want to use will only send plotter type output to a serial port, not a parallel, things are more complicated as I'm wanting to get this running under Vista with a hardware port card so I've not got the port functionality I'd have with earlier versions of Windows. I guess I'm a masochist. :-)
>>
>> Pens i have not yet looked into but I am looking forward to challenges.
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Sage"<davesage12@...>   wrote:
>>> The title of this topic is DXY800 / 880 which are different plotters. The
>>> DXY800 is more like the DXY101 (and the manual says so).
>>>
>>> In any case the DIP switches on the DXY800 are for setting the serial
>>> interface - Hopefully you aren't still using that. (Rather than the parallel
>>> interface.)
>>>
>>> In any case, for the DXY800 the switches are as follows:
>>>
>>> 1          300 Baud
>>>
>>> 2          600 "
>>>
>>> 3          1200 "
>>>
>>> 4          2400 "
>>>
>>> 5          9600 "
>>>
>>> 7          Parity check ON:Odd OFF:Even
>>>
>>> 8          Data Bit ON:7bit OFF:8bit
>>>
>>> 9          Stop Bit ON:1bit OFF:2bit
>>>
>>> 10         Parity Check ON:Yes OFF:No
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Notes:
>>>
>>> The dip switch must match the specs of the computer side (parity, top,baud
>>> etc)
>>>
>>> For Baud switches be sure only one is on. Also when switching, first turn
>>> all switches OFF then turn the switch for desired baud rate ON.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Another point of interest is, if you press and hold the pen up and home
>>> switches together while powering up it will do a self test of grabbing each
>>> pen and doing a little dance with each pen in the pen up position. If you
>>> press the pen up switch one more time it will do the same with the pens down
>>> (On paper).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There isn't much more of interest in the manual. Just a description of each
>>> command and some example programs to draw something by sending commands
>>> manually.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Someone here also mentioned that the plotters accept HPGL. This is
>>> definitely not true for the 800. This is why I was forced to stop using it
>>> because Windows programs had no drivers for it. The 800 accepts command more
>>> resembling G-code (but not).
>>>
>>> BUT I have found out recently that EAGLE PCB supports these old plotters. I
>>> haven't tried it but they're in the output setup choices.
>>>
>>> I found cleaning pens and all the problems with them skipping and not making
>>> lines thin enough etc.,  was more trouble than doing the toner transfer
>>> process.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sage
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>
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On 13/01/2011 10:26 AM, Zoran A. Scepanovic wrote:
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> On 13.Jan.11 0:10, Bill Maxwell wrote:
>> According to the limited information contained in the DXY-880 manual, it
>> supports both the  DXY plotting language , presumably that used on the
>> DXY800, and RD-GL (Roland DG Graphic Language).
>>
>> It includes a summary as follows:
>>
>> "The DXY commands are based on the commands used with the DXY series of
>> plotters, however they have been improved to enable all programs for the
>> DXY-800 to use this mode.
>> Use of the "^" command to call RD-GL commands from the DXY mode enables
>> the drawing programs written in the DXY mode to be high level drawing
>> programs.
>>
>> *DXY-880 commands may be input in either upper or lower case characters."
>>
>> There is no specific mention of compatibility or otherwise with HPGL,
>> although I note that in setting the plotter up for use with Lotus 123
>> and Supercalc in DOS on an IBM PC, the computer configuration guide
>> requires that you select HP 7470A as the Graphics Device.
>>
>> That of course might just set-up for ASCII transmission. One day I might
>> sit down and do a comparison of RD-GL and HP-GL commands.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Bill
>>
> You can try:
> <http://noddle.customer.netspace.net.au/Roland%20Ploter%20Driver%20for%20Win2k-WinXP/>
>
> (link may be wrapped!)
>
> - --
>   Best regards,
>   Zoran A. ??epanovi?
>   zastos@...
>   http://zastos.com
>   +381 63 609-993
>
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