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Buying a laser printer HP P1005 or P1006 ?

Buying a laser printer HP P1005 or P1006 ?

2009-11-20 by bobhuish2003

Best printer? Or other in the $200 range.
If you use one of these.
What kind of paper - toner, The one that came with it or new one and can you get clear traces to do SMDs?

Thanks for any help
Bob

Re: Buying a laser printer HP P1005 or P1006 ?

2009-11-21 by blalor76

I don't know about "best", but there's a Brother laser for sale at Best Buy for $100, with Ethernet and WiFi. It's well-reviewed, but the graphics capabilities are supposedly lacking. I take that to mean gray-scale. As long as it can print nice thick lines, I figure it should be good enough for Eagle. :-) I'm thinking about picking one up so that I can start making my own boards.

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "bobhuish2003" <bhuish@...> wrote:
>
> Best printer? Or other in the $200 range.
> If you use one of these.
> What kind of paper - toner, The one that came with it or new one and can you get clear traces to do SMDs?
>
> Thanks for any help
> Bob
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Buying a laser printer HP P1005 or P1006 ?

2009-11-21 by Kerry Wentworth

According to Pulsar, Brother laser printers use a high temperature toner
that is not suitable for transferring using a laminator.
If it was me, I'd get another brand. Maybe at Goodwill for cheap.

Kerry


blalor76 wrote:
> I don't know about "best", but there's a Brother laser for sale at Best Buy for $100, with Ethernet and WiFi. It's well-reviewed, but the graphics capabilities are supposedly lacking. I take that to mean gray-scale. As long as it can print nice thick lines, I figure it should be good enough for Eagle. :-) I'm thinking about picking one up so that I can start making my own boards.
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "bobhuish2003" <bhuish@...> wrote:
>
>> Best printer? Or other in the $200 range.
>> If you use one of these.
>> What kind of paper - toner, The one that came with it or new one and can you get clear traces to do SMDs?
>>
>> Thanks for any help
>> Bob
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Buying a laser printer HP P1005 or P1006 ?

2009-11-22 by sailingto

I am happy with my HP-1006 that is in the $100 range. I had a Brother..... darn, what was the number. 2000 series and it did require a HOT temperature for the toner. Inside the cover it said "Caution - 415 degree F"

You had to get the temperature up over 400F to get decent toner transfer..

Good luck and have fun!!

Ken H>

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "bobhuish2003" <bhuish@...> wrote:
>
> Best printer? Or other in the $200 range.
> If you use one of these.
> What kind of paper - toner, The one that came with it or new one and can you get clear traces to do SMDs?
>
> Thanks for any help
> Bob
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Buying a laser printer HP P1005 or P1006 ?

2009-11-22 by Derward Myrick

----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Delorie
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Buying a laser printer HP P1005 or P1006 ?




Warning: make sure it does NOT use the common "brother" toner which
requires a much hotter temperature to stick.






I used a brother printer with a replacement toner from Office Depot
and their brand of toner worked pretty good
The best one I have seen is H P even the 1500 series.

Derward Myrick KD5WWI

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: Buying a laser printer HP P1005 or P1006 ?

2009-11-22 by blalor76

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Kerry Wentworth <kwentworth@...> wrote:

> According to Pulsar, Brother laser printers use a high temperature toner
> that is not suitable for transferring using a laminator.
> If it was me, I'd get another brand. Maybe at Goodwill for cheap.

Well, crap. I thought that was going to be an easy purchase. Should have known better. Thanks for saving me the frustration, though!

Re: Buying a laser printer HP P1005 or P1006 ?

2009-11-22 by bobhuish2003

Thanks for all the info.

Note: Staples is going to have the HP P1006 on sale for about $90 this friday the 27th "Black Friday" It opens at 6:00am and I plan being at the door at that time. Maybe I will bring a pot of hot coffee and sell it at a $2 a cup. Check there adds.

Bob

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "blalor76" <blalor@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Kerry Wentworth <kwentworth@> wrote:
>
> > According to Pulsar, Brother laser printers use a high temperature toner
> > that is not suitable for transferring using a laminator.
> > If it was me, I'd get another brand. Maybe at Goodwill for cheap.
>
> Well, crap. I thought that was going to be an easy purchase. Should have known better. Thanks for saving me the frustration, though!
>

Re: Buying a laser printer HP P1005 or P1006 ?

2009-11-22 by drmail377

I don't know about the HP1005/1006 but I can tell you this... I have a Samsung ML1750 and it works great with toner transfer provided I use a "real" factory cartridge. The key points here are 1. The cartridge has the photo-sensitive drum etc. built-in. So I buy an original cartridge and use it only for PCB printing. When not, I store it in the original black light-blocking bag it came in. I use this "lousy" Samsung printer from time to time for regular printing. But it is lousy, especially with refilled cartridges. The tray paper feed has failed completely as of late. But if I take my "pristine" little used cartridge out of the bag and plug it into the Samsung, I get really good results. I guess what I'm saying is buy a low cost laser printer that has ALL the parts built into the cartridge, fuser, photo-drum, etc. CHEAPEST laser printers are like this. They want you to PAY and PAY for the cartridge. But in-fact, for small scale laser transfer PCB's you turn the tables on them. You only use the printer for PCB's and store the cartridge in a dark safe place until you need it. Two years and the cartridge on the ML1750 printer works fine. I can't speak for how many years this will last.

Regards, David


--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "bobhuish2003" <bhuish@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the info.
>
> Note: Staples is going to have the HP P1006 on sale for about $90 this friday the 27th "Black Friday" It opens at 6:00am and I plan being at the door at that time. Maybe I will bring a pot of hot coffee and sell it at a $2 a cup. Check there adds.
>
> Bob
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "blalor76" <blalor@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Kerry Wentworth <kwentworth@> wrote:
> >
> > > According to Pulsar, Brother laser printers use a high temperature toner
> > > that is not suitable for transferring using a laminator.
> > > If it was me, I'd get another brand. Maybe at Goodwill for cheap.
> >
> > Well, crap. I thought that was going to be an easy purchase. Should have known better. Thanks for saving me the frustration, though!
> >
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Buying a laser printer HP P1005 or P1006 ?

2009-11-22 by Stefan Trethan

I do the same with a lexmark. There is a difference between a new and
a well used cartridge, it may still print just fine on paper but no
good for PCBs so I keep one in the original packaging just for PCBs.

Original toner cartridges for older printers are cheap on ebay, like
$10 max., but check prices before buying a printer. People with broken
printers get rid of unused cartridges that way. Do not buy
remanufactured ones for PCBs, ever.

ST

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 4:32 PM, drmail377 <drmail377@...> wrote:
> I don't know about the HP1005/1006 but I can tell you this... I have a Samsung ML1750 and it works great with toner transfer provided I use a "real" factory cartridge. The key points here are 1. The cartridge has the photo-sensitive drum etc. built-in. So I buy an original cartridge and use it only for PCB printing. When not, I store it in the original black light-blocking bag it came in. I use this "lousy" Samsung printer from time to time for regular printing. But it is lousy, especially with refilled cartridges. The tray paper feed has failed completely as of late. But if I take my "pristine" little used cartridge out of the bag and plug it into the Samsung, I get really good results. I guess what I'm saying is buy a low cost laser printer that has ALL the parts built into the cartridge, fuser, photo-drum, etc. CHEAPEST laser printers are like this. They want you to PAY and PAY for the cartridge. But in-fact, for small scale laser transfer PCB's you turn the tables on them. You only use the printer for PCB's and store the cartridge in a dark safe place until you need it. Two years and the cartridge on the ML1750 printer works fine. I can't speak for how many years this will last.
>
> Regards, David
>

Re: Buying a laser printer HP P1005 or P1006 ?

2009-11-22 by blalor76

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "bobhuish2003" <bhuish@...> wrote:

> Note: Staples is going to have the HP P1006 on sale for about $90 this friday the 27th "Black Friday" It opens at 6:00am and I plan being at the door at that time. Maybe I will bring a pot of hot coffee and sell it at a $2 a cup. Check there adds.

It's only $99 at Amazon right now. Free shipping, even. Buy it now, there's a chance it'll be on your doorstep by Friday. ;-)

Re: Buying a laser printer HP P1005 or P1006 ?

2009-11-23 by designer_craig

I can second this -- the normal Brother toner doesn't seem to work. I refilled one of my old Brother cartridges with some toner I got off the net and that worked ok for the toner transfer. The refill instructions told you not to mix the toner and to make srue the old cartridge with 100% empty. I vacuumed out the old cartridge before refilling but I screwed up and let the little white cap seal on the bottle fall into the cartridge and now the cartridge clicks and parts of the page have gaps. I am comming up on another refill, so I will see what happens with the new toner. Fuse temp is not one of the things they specify on the aftermarket refills.

Craig

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, DJ Delorie <dj@...> wrote:
>
>
> Warning: make sure it does NOT use the common "brother" toner which
> requires a much hotter temperature to stick.
>

Re: Buying a laser printer HP P1005 or P1006 ?

2009-11-24 by rdheiliger

I bought a Brother HL-2170W about a month ago. I have not had a successful toner transfer with it yet. Have had my laminator up to 350 *F and got few traces actually transferred. I had a Minolta PagePro 1250W that worked great even with refilled cartridges. When I switched to Vista, there where no drivers for it. I ran it on my old XP computer for awhile, but it has started smearing the print.

One thing I like about the software that comes with the Brother is the ability to do mirror print.

Does anyone know if the HP P1006 can do mirror print.

I do a lot of my boards with the free PCBExpress CAD and need to have mirror print to get the top layer printed. Also what temperatures are folks using with the HP P1006 to get transfers?

RD

Re: Buying a laser printer HP P1005 or P1006 ?

2009-11-30 by blalor76

I was able to find a used HP LaserJet 4050TN on Craigslist for $70. Looks like the toner cartridge is brand new, and the seller gave me another spare. Step one is complete. :-)

Re: Buying a laser printer HP P1005 or P1006 ?

2009-11-30 by blalor76

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "blalor76" <blalor@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "bobhuish2003" <bhuish@> wrote:
>
> > Note: Staples is going to have the HP P1006 on sale for about $90 this friday the 27th "Black Friday" It opens at 6:00am and I plan being at the door at that time. Maybe I will bring a pot of hot coffee and sell it at a $2 a cup. Check there adds.
>
> It's only $99 at Amazon right now. Free shipping, even. Buy it now, there's a chance it'll be on your doorstep by Friday. ;-)
>

The HP P1006 is now $89 at Amazon.

Re: Buying a laser printer HP P1005 or P1006 ?

2009-12-01 by sailingto

I have the HP 1006 and it does mirror the print. In the setup there is a check box for mirror image.

Works good for me.

73 de Ken H>


> One thing I like about the software that comes with the Brother is the ability to do mirror print.
>
> Does anyone know if the HP P1006 can do mirror print.
>
> I do a lot of my boards with the free PCBExpress CAD and need to have mirror print to get the top layer printed. Also what temperatures are folks using with the HP P1006 to get transfers?
>
> RD
>

Re: Buying a laser printer HP P1005 or P1006 ?

2009-12-04 by billshat44

I use the HP p1006 with Staples Basic Gloss Photo paper and it turns out quite nice. I got the printer at Egghead with free shipping a year and a half ago and I still am making PCB's on the original toner.
I do have a problem with traces on the edges of the pcb but I think it is my problem, not the printer or paper. I just purchased a laminator and am anxious to see how it works.

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "bobhuish2003" <bhuish@...> wrote:
>
> Best printer? Or other in the $200 range.
> If you use one of these.
> What kind of paper - toner, The one that came with it or new one and can you get clear traces to do SMDs?
>
> Thanks for any help
> Bob
>

Re: Buying a laser printer HP P1005 or P1006 ?

2009-12-08 by bobhuish2003

Thank you all for the Laser printer info!
I bought a HP 1006 from Office Depot for $89.

Finished my project, a simple PIC controller for my solar LED light, above my work bench.

Used ExpressSCH and PCB to layout the board.

I downloaded DipTrace, free 250 pin ver, and tried it out, looks easy to use and it will give me the drill file so I could use my homemade drill table to drill all the holes.

I first tried to print on the Avery label sheet, with the labels removed, but the HP 1006 didn't print or smeared some traces. I printed 4 layouts on the same sheet, so I tried to iron two of the best ones on my CLEANED PCB.
They smeared or didn't stick. Cleaned the board and printed on the Staples Photo Basic gloss #471861 paper.

When I ironed it I first taped one side of the paper to a sheet of paper so when I put the iron on it wouldn't slide. Then I placed the board under the paper and placed the iron, set to HIGH, on the board. Let it set there for 2 minutes and then moved it a little for 2 more minutes. Used the iron tip to go over the traces, Note: Did this with out much pressure! It worked great. Also on the board was a test 8L uMAX/uSOP IC pad, 0.010 in traces.

Tried - 1 part Muriatic Acid and 2 parts Hydrogen Peroxide for my etchant. For the first time.
I will never ever go back to Ferric chloride again!!!!

Thanks again
Bob


--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "bobhuish2003" <bhuish@...> wrote:
>
> Best printer? Or other in the $200 range.
> If you use one of these.
> What kind of paper - toner, The one that came with it or new one and can you get clear traces to do SMDs?
>
> Thanks for any help
> Bob
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Buying a laser printer HP P1005 or P1006 ?

2009-12-08 by Harvey White

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:58:31 -0000, you wrote:

>I don't know about "best", but there's a Brother laser for sale at Best Buy for $100, with Ethernet and WiFi. It's well-reviewed, but the graphics capabilities are supposedly lacking. I take that to mean gray-scale. As long as it can print nice thick lines, I figure it should be good enough for Eagle. :-) I'm thinking about picking one up so that I can start making my own boards.

Which would be nice except for one thing. Some Brother laser printers
have high temperature toner, which will not work well with a normal
iron or laminator. I am not sure about your model number, but I'd
check it out very carefully, otherwise, you have a wonderful laser
printer and no boards. The HP 1000 series seem to work well, and I
know for a reasonable fact that the 22xx series work well as well.

Harvey

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>--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "bobhuish2003" <bhuish@...> wrote:
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>> Best printer? Or other in the $200 range.
>> If you use one of these.
>> What kind of paper - toner, The one that came with it or new one and can you get clear traces to do SMDs?
>>
>> Thanks for any help
>> Bob
>>
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