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Laminator Temp Control

2009-05-28 by Ed Smith

Hello Guys,
 
This week I added temp control to my $24.95 GBC laminator using controls left over from my old company. I have several hundred of these in potted module form with thermocouple, control pot,  faceplate calibrated for 200F-800F, and instructions. They run on 115VAC and have 5 amp capability.
 
I will let these go for $20 each and I pay shipping to the lower 48.
 
Ed Smith
w4eds@...
 
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Laminator Temp Control

2009-05-28 by Andres Hernandez

Hi ED

You are saying that you are selling a laminator for dry film applications (fotosensitive) ?.....

If so... what are the maximum dimmentions for a PCB to be laminated ? and if it is for double faced ?.

Because I need at least laminate a PCB of 30 cm wide.

Thanks for your help




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Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:46:22 PM
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Laminator Temp Control





Hello Guys,
 
This week I added temp control to my $24.95 GBC laminator using controls left over from my old company. I have several hundred of these in potted module form with thermocouple, control pot,  faceplate calibrated for 200F-800F, and instructions. They run on 115VAC and have 5 amp capability.
 
I will let these go for $20 each and I pay shipping to the lower 48.
 
Ed Smith
w4eds@yahoo. com
 
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Re: Laminator Temp Control

2009-05-28 by sailingto

Ed - what temperature can you get the $24.95 laminator to run at with these controls? I am sure the control module will give the command all the way up to 800F, but how hot do you think the laminator will run before the heating element runs out... or starts melting plastic?  Have you tested it?

Do you have any info on how to install?  photos, drawing?

is the install just putting the Thermocouple probe thru the case to the rollers, then wiring the 120 VAC thru the control box?

I am surely interested.

73 de Ken H>

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Ed Smith <w4eds@...> wrote:
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> Hello Guys,
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> This week I added temp control to my $24.95 GBC laminator using controls left over from my old company. I have several hundred of these in potted module form with thermocouple, control pot,  faceplate calibrated for 200F-800F, and instructions. They run on 115VAC and have 5 amp capability.
>  
> I will let these go for $20 each and I pay shipping to the lower 48.
>  
> Ed Smith
> w4eds@...
>  
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Re: Laminator Temp Control

2009-05-28 by Steve

I'd like two of these, one for a toaster oven.

How do you want to be paid? MO, or PayPal?

Thanks,
Steve Greenfield

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Ed Smith <w4eds@...> wrote:
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> Hello Guys,
>  
> This week I added temp control to my $24.95 GBC laminator using controls left over from my old company. I have several hundred of these in potted module form with thermocouple, control pot,  faceplate calibrated for 200F-800F, and instructions. They run on 115VAC and have 5 amp capability.
>  
> I will let these go for $20 each and I pay shipping to the lower 48.
>  
> Ed Smith
> w4eds@...
>  
> ===========================================================
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> 
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> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Laminator Temp Control

2009-05-28 by sailingto

Ed is selling ONLY the temperature control module - the laminator he installed it to is a $25 shipped from a vendor on ebay.

I think the laminator is 8.5" wide - I ordered one last week and it is scheduled for delivery today.  Sure hope it gets here.  I'll be needing a temperature controller also...  "IF" this laminator will get hot enough.

Ken H>

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Andres Hernandez <afhernandez79@...> wrote:
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> Hi ED
> 
> You are saying that you are selling a laminator for dry film applications (fotosensitive) ?.....
> 
> If so... what are the maximum dimmentions for a PCB to be laminated ? and if it is for double faced ?.
> 
> Because I need at least laminate a PCB of 30 cm wide.
> 
> Thanks for your help
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Ed Smith <w4eds@...>
> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:46:22 PM
> Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Laminator Temp Control
> 
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> 
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> 
> Hello Guys,
>  
> This week I added temp control to my $24.95 GBC laminator using controls left over from my old company. I have several hundred of these in potted module form with thermocouple, control pot,  faceplate calibrated for 200F-800F, and instructions. They run on 115VAC and have 5 amp capability.
>  
> I will let these go for $20 each and I pay shipping to the lower 48.
>  
> Ed Smith
> w4eds@yahoo. com
>  
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Laminator Temp Control

2009-05-28 by Ed Smith

I intended to use the new laminator for photoresist and it worked, however, today I ran the laminator at 360F and got a toner transfer with two passes, the paper was stuck with one pass but two passes made it for sure. I used 10 mil lines and spaces.
 
Of course, I would not reccommend running the laminator at 360F for long, but that is one good thing about the controller, easy to move up and down.
 
Ed
 
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--- On Thu, 5/28/09, sailingto <sailingto@...> wrote:
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To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 11:55 AM








Ed is selling ONLY the temperature control module - the laminator he installed it to is a $25 shipped from a vendor on ebay.

I think the laminator is 8.5" wide - I ordered one last week and it is scheduled for delivery today. Sure hope it gets here. I'll be needing a temperature controller also... "IF" this laminator will get hot enough.

Ken H>

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@ yahoogroups. com, Andres Hernandez <afhernandez79@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi ED
> 
> You are saying that you are selling a laminator for dry film applications (fotosensitive)  ?.....
> 
> If so... what are the maximum dimmentions for a PCB to be laminated ? and if it is for double faced ?.
> 
> Because I need at least laminate a PCB of 30 cm wide.
> 
> Thanks for your help
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Ed Smith <w4eds@...>
> To: Homebrew_PCBs@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:46:22 PM
> Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Laminator Temp Control
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hello Guys,
>  
> This week I added temp control to my $24.95 GBC laminator using controls left over from my old company. I have several hundred of these in potted module form with thermocouple, control pot,  faceplate calibrated for 200F-800F, and instructions. They run on 115VAC and have 5 amp capability.
>  
> I will let these go for $20 each and I pay shipping to the lower 48.
>  
> Ed Smith
> w4eds@yahoo. com
>  
> ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ==
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Laminator Temp Control

2009-05-28 by Ed Smith

PayPal is fine:  w4eds@...  Thanks,  Ed
 
Just did toner transfer at 360F with 10 mil lines and spaces. PhotoResist at 280F
 
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Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 11:42 AM








I'd like two of these, one for a toaster oven.

How do you want to be paid? MO, or PayPal?

Thanks,
Steve Greenfield

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@ yahoogroups. com, Ed Smith <w4eds@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Guys,
>  
> This week I added temp control to my $24.95 GBC laminator using controls left over from my old company. I have several hundred of these in potted module form with thermocouple, control pot,  faceplate calibrated for 200F-800F, and instructions. They run on 115VAC and have 5 amp capability.
>  
> I will let these go for $20 each and I pay shipping to the lower 48.
>  
> Ed Smith
> w4eds@...
>  
> ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ==
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Laminator Temp Control

2009-05-28 by Ed Smith

Yes, I have taken pictures of the conversion steps and have done toner transfers at 360F and PhotoResist at 280F with 10 mil lines and spaces. Took it up to 380F but not beyond.
This is an impressive laminator for $24.95. Thanks, Ed
 
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--- On Thu, 5/28/09, sailingto <sailingto@...> wrote:
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Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Laminator Temp Control
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 11:41 AM








Ed - what temperature can you get the $24.95 laminator to run at with these controls? I am sure the control module will give the command all the way up to 800F, but how hot do you think the laminator will run before the heating element runs out... or starts melting plastic? Have you tested it?

Do you have any info on how to install? photos, drawing?

is the install just putting the Thermocouple probe thru the case to the rollers, then wiring the 120 VAC thru the control box?

I am surely interested.

73 de Ken H>

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@ yahoogroups. com, Ed Smith <w4eds@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Guys,
>  
> This week I added temp control to my $24.95 GBC laminator using controls left over from my old company. I have several hundred of these in potted module form with thermocouple, control pot,  faceplate calibrated for 200F-800F, and instructions. They run on 115VAC and have 5 amp capability.
>  
> I will let these go for $20 each and I pay shipping to the lower 48.
>  
> Ed Smith
> w4eds@...
>  
> ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ==
> 
> 
> 
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Laminator Temp Control

2009-05-28 by sailingto

Ed, can you post the photos or email? I just got the laminator today and it does a nice job for normal laminating, just have to get the temperature up to a decent level for toner transfer.  The photos and instructions would give me an idea if I can do the work without messing up the laminator.

Thank you,

Ken H>

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Ed Smith <w4eds@...> wrote:
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>
> Yes, I have taken pictures of the conversion steps and have done toner transfers at 360F and PhotoResist at 280F with 10 mil lines and spaces. Took it up to 380F but not beyond.
> This is an impressive laminator for $24.95. Thanks, Ed
>  
> ==========================================
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Laminator Temp Control

2009-05-28 by Ed Smith

I am out in the middle of nowhere and have only 36K service. My connection chokes on files that big. There are 6 of them over 1meg each. Believe me, it is esay to make the mod, should take less than an hour.
 
ED
 
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Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 3:25 PM








Ed, can you post the photos or email? I just got the laminator today and it does a nice job for normal laminating, just have to get the temperature up to a decent level for toner transfer. The photos and instructions would give me an idea if I can do the work without messing up the laminator.

Thank you,

Ken H>

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@ yahoogroups. com, Ed Smith <w4eds@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, I have taken pictures of the conversion steps and have done toner transfers at 360F and PhotoResist at 280F with 10 mil lines and spaces. Took it up to 380F but not beyond.
> This is an impressive laminator for $24.95. Thanks, Ed
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Laminator Temp Control

2009-05-28 by Stefan Trethan

I believe if you reduce size and store as jpg it will only be a few kb
each. I recommend irfanview.com if you have no free software to do
that already.

ST
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On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Ed Smith <w4eds@...> wrote:
> I am out in the middle of nowhere and have only 36K service. My connection chokes on files that big. There are 6 of them over 1meg each. Believe me, it is esay to make the mod, should take less than an hour.
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> ED
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Re: Laminator Temp Control

2009-05-28 by sailingto

I understand Ed - when I visit my parents "up home" in the country I'm lucky to get 26.5K connect speed.  With VISTA on the notebook that's just about a "can't do" on the net these days.

I've had the cover off the laminator this afternoon and it doesn't really look that bad.  Remove top cover, then  remove the 4 screws holding the base to the bottom plastic - is that correct?  I'm expecting the thermal switches can then be seen?  Your mod/temperature controller involves removing the existing thermal switches?

73 de Ken H>


--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Ed Smith <w4eds@...> wrote:
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>
> I am out in the middle of nowhere and have only 36K service. My connection chokes on files that big. There are 6 of them over 1meg each. Believe me, it is esay to make the mod, should take less than an hour.
>  
> ED
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Laminator Temp Control

2009-05-28 by Ed Smith

If you take out an additional 4 screws, you will be able to inspect the backside of the heater. I take out only the switch with the blue wire, install a terminal strip there, then clamp the thermocouple wire under the left screw that holds the ready switch in place.I cut half holes in the covers that match so a grommet can be installed to allow the thermocouple leads and the 115V leads to get to the controller. Laminator mod finished.
 
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Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Laminator Temp Control
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 5:54 PM








I understand Ed - when I visit my parents "up home" in the country I'm lucky to get 26.5K connect speed. With VISTA on the notebook that's just about a "can't do" on the net these days.

I've had the cover off the laminator this afternoon and it doesn't really look that bad. Remove top cover, then remove the 4 screws holding the base to the bottom plastic - is that correct? I'm expecting the thermal switches can then be seen? Your mod/temperature controller involves removing the existing thermal switches?

73 de Ken H>

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@ yahoogroups. com, Ed Smith <w4eds@...> wrote:
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> I am out in the middle of nowhere and have only 36K service. My connection chokes on files that big. There are 6 of them over 1meg each. Believe me, it is esay to make the mod, should take less than an hour.
>  
> ED
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Re: Laminator Temp Control

2009-05-29 by RICHARD HEILIGER

I posted a few pics of how I did the temp control on the laminator. When they are approved I will add some additional commentary. They should be in the "HammerMill vs PhotoBasic" folder.

If any one is interested I can post the schematic, board art, and code for the control I made.

RD

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Re: Laminator Temp Control

2009-05-30 by sailingto

We will be VERY interested in all the info you can provide....  you mention code - is this for a PIC or AVR type uC chip?

You say "HammerMill....) is that in Photos or files section?

I expect that is with Ed's controller?

Thanks, Ken H>

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "RICHARD HEILIGER" <rdheiliger@...> wrote:
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> I posted a few pics of how I did the temp control on the laminator. When they are approved I will add some additional commentary. They should be in the "HammerMill vs PhotoBasic" folder.
> 
> If any one is interested I can post the schematic, board art, and code for the control I made.
> 
> RD
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Re: Laminator Temp Control

2009-05-30 by Richard

Posted three files in Laminator Temp Control folder.

the  .pbp is the code writen in MicroEngineeringLabs PicBasicPro. It can be opened in any word processor. It is for an PIC12F683 chip on the acompanying .sch and .pcb files.

the .sch is a schematic of the board
the .pcb is the board artwork

both files may be opened with the free ExpressPCB program.

http://www.expresspcb.com/ExpressPCBHtm/Free_cad_software.htm

I print the bottom layer on my laser printer and use toner transfer to create a single sided board. There are no jumpers or via's on this board making it fairly simple to assemble. All the surface mount components are 1206 size, that are easily hand soldered. The PIC12F683 is socketed so it can be programmed then inserted into the board. Any SPST switch can be used. The FET transistor that drives the relay allows for a wide selection of relay coil voltages. I have used either 5vdc or 12vdc coils, the footprint is pretty standard. The unit can be run from a 12vdc wall wart or a 9vdc battery. The PM128-E is a pretty common digital panel meter. A 5 pin header is used for the switches and DPM connections. Screw terminals for relay contacts, and external LM34 connection. A standard jack for a center positive 12vdc wallwart or 9vdc battery.

Read the intro in the .pbp file for a circuit and program description.

RD

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