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CadSoft Eagle pads question

2008-07-10 by alan00463

Looked through the freeware Eagle 4.16's wirepads library.
Its thirteen thru-hole pads and four SMD pads are more than
adequate for what I'm doing.  

However, in selecting pads for my thru-hole board, I got a couple
questions:

(1)   The numbers......does anybody know what the numbers 
      in the pads library mean?   For example, the smallest thru-
      hole pad is marked 1,6/0,8 and the largest thru-hole pad
      is marked 3,81/1,4

(2)   When I add a pad, do I only add it to the board file, or is it 
  necessary to also add a corresponding entity to the schematic?

Regards,
Alan

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] CadSoft Eagle pads question

2008-07-10 by Leon

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Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] CadSoft Eagle pads question


> Looked through the freeware Eagle 4.16's wirepads library.
> Its thirteen thru-hole pads and four SMD pads are more than
> adequate for what I'm doing.
>
> However, in selecting pads for my thru-hole board, I got a couple
> questions:
>
> (1)   The numbers......does anybody know what the numbers
>      in the pads library mean?   For example, the smallest thru-
>      hole pad is marked 1,6/0,8 and the largest thru-hole pad
>      is marked 3,81/1,4

That is similar to how I name my pads, the smaller number is the hole size 
and the larger on is the pad diameter (in mm, of course).

I use Round (1.4, 3.8), for instance, with the hole size first, for round 
pads. Rect (1.0 x 2.0) for rectangular pads (wdith x length), and so on.

Leon
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] CadSoft Eagle pads question

2008-07-10 by Mike Young

Alan,

The usual workflow is to first workup the schematic, and later drag the 
parts into place on the board. You should find more part libraries on the 
Cadsoft site than you can use. In general, the parts associate one or more 
packaging options, each defining the appropriate copper, drill, soldermask, 
and silkscreen. The limitation on the freeware is board size and complexity, 
not the parts libraries.

Mike.

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Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] CadSoft Eagle pads question


> Looked through the freeware Eagle 4.16's wirepads library.
> Its thirteen thru-hole pads and four SMD pads are more than
> adequate for what I'm doing.
>
> However, in selecting pads for my thru-hole board, I got a couple
> questions:
>
> (1)   The numbers......does anybody know what the numbers
>      in the pads library mean?   For example, the smallest thru-
>      hole pad is marked 1,6/0,8 and the largest thru-hole pad
>      is marked 3,81/1,4
>
> (2)   When I add a pad, do I only add it to the board file, or is it
>  necessary to also add a corresponding entity to the schematic?
>
> Regards,
> Alan

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] CadSoft Eagle pads question

2008-07-10 by Harvey White

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:48:03 -0000, you wrote:

>Looked through the freeware Eagle 4.16's wirepads library.
>Its thirteen thru-hole pads and four SMD pads are more than
>adequate for what I'm doing.  
>
>However, in selecting pads for my thru-hole board, I got a couple
>questions:
>
>(1)   The numbers......does anybody know what the numbers 
>      in the pads library mean?   For example, the smallest thru-
>      hole pad is marked 1,6/0,8 and the largest thru-hole pad
>      is marked 3,81/1,4

	MM diameter and hole, IIRC

>
>(2)   When I add a pad, do I only add it to the board file, or is it 
>  necessary to also add a corresponding entity to the schematic?

Add it to the schematic and it shows up on the board.  Especially
useful for test pads.

For mounting pads, try polygons.

Harvey
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>
>Regards,
>Alan

Re: CadSoft Eagle pads question

2008-07-10 by alan00463

Okay, thank you all for your quick replies.

Now I understand that a pad marked 3,81/1,4
would make a 1.1mm diam. hole inside a
3.81 mm diameter pad.    Likewise for the
other numbers.

I also realize I should put the pads on the
schematic.   Not sure what this will look like
on the schematic, but I'll give it a try and
see what happens.

Alan



> For mounting pads, try polygons.
> 
> Harvey

Not exactly sure what you meant by that tip, Harvey
Do you mean mounting pads for connecting SMT parts?
-Alan

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: CadSoft Eagle pads question

2008-07-10 by Harvey White

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:21:24 -0000, you wrote:

>Okay, thank you all for your quick replies.
>
>Now I understand that a pad marked 3,81/1,4
>would make a 1.1mm diam. hole inside a
>3.81 mm diameter pad.    Likewise for the
>other numbers.
>
>I also realize I should put the pads on the
>schematic.   Not sure what this will look like
>on the schematic, but I'll give it a try and
>see what happens.
>
>Alan
>
>
>
>> For mounting pads, try polygons.
>> 
>> Harvey
>
>Not exactly sure what you meant by that tip, Harvey
>Do you mean mounting pads for connecting SMT parts?

Yes, or anything else you want to solder to the foil directly.  I also
use polygons for large ground planes.

Harvey


>-Alan
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: CadSoft Eagle pads question

2008-07-10 by Mike Young

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>>> For mounting pads, try polygons.
>>>
>>> Harvey
>>
>>Not exactly sure what you meant by that tip, Harvey
>>Do you mean mounting pads for connecting SMT parts?
>
> Yes, or anything else you want to solder to the foil directly.  I also
> use polygons for large ground planes.

If you have special needs, sure, you could do that. For almost everthing 
else, though, just place the part in the schematic, connect it up, and the 
pads for the selected part show up on the board. If you selected, for 
example, a transistor 2N2222 in a TO92 case, the footprint for the TO92 is 
placed on the board. If it was an SOT23 package, the SMD for that would be 
on the board. You'll almost always find it easier to design special pads as 
an SMD's in the library editor than as polygons on the board. Ground and 
power planes, of course, are exceptions.

Re: CadSoft Eagle pads question

2008-07-11 by alan00463

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Young" <mikewhy@...> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Harvey White" <madyn@...>
> To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
> 
> >>> For mounting pads, try polygons.
> >>>
> >>> Harvey
> >>
> >>Not exactly sure what you meant by that tip, Harvey
> >>Do you mean mounting pads for connecting SMT parts?
> >
> > Yes, or anything else you want to solder to the foil directly.  I also
> > use polygons for large ground planes.
> 
> If you have special needs, sure, you could do that. For almost
everthing 
> else, though, just place the part in the schematic, connect it up,
and the 
> pads for the selected part show up on the board. If you selected, for 
> example, a transistor 2N2222 in a TO92 case, the footprint for the
TO92 is 
> placed on the board. If it was an SOT23 package, the SMD for that
would be 
> on the board. You'll almost always find it easier to design special
pads as 
> an SMD's in the library editor than as polygons on the board. Ground
and 
> power planes, of course, are exceptions.

Although I don't need a polygon now, I have used polygon to
create a groundplane in the past.    However, when doing so,
I could not figure out how to merge the filled polygon
with the adjacent ground trace.    Eagle always left an etched space
between the two.

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: CadSoft Eagle pads question

2008-07-11 by Viper62pr

I have used polygons to make ground planes also, I would just rename the polygon as GND same as all of my GNDs, I use a polygon around the whole bottom layer.
Actually, I have only done it twice but they have turned out nice.

--- On Fri, 7/11/08, alan00463 <alan00463@...> wrote:
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Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 10:40 AM






--- In Homebrew_PCBs@ yahoogroups. com, "Mike Young" <mikewhy@... > wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Harvey White" <madyn@...>
> To: <Homebrew_PCBs@ yahoogroups. com>
> 
> >>> For mounting pads, try polygons.
> >>>
> >>> Harvey
> >>
> >>Not exactly sure what you meant by that tip, Harvey
> >>Do you mean mounting pads for connecting SMT parts?
> >
> > Yes, or anything else you want to solder to the foil directly. I also
> > use polygons for large ground planes.
> 
> If you have special needs, sure, you could do that. For almost
everthing 
> else, though, just place the part in the schematic, connect it up,
and the 
> pads for the selected part show up on the board. If you selected, for 
> example, a transistor 2N2222 in a TO92 case, the footprint for the
TO92 is 
> placed on the board. If it was an SOT23 package, the SMD for that
would be 
> on the board. You'll almost always find it easier to design special
pads as 
> an SMD's in the library editor than as polygons on the board. Ground
and 
> power planes, of course, are exceptions.

Although I don't need a polygon now, I have used polygon to
create a groundplane in the past. However, when doing so,
I could not figure out how to merge the filled polygon
with the adjacent ground trace. Eagle always left an etched space
between the two.

 














      

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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: CadSoft Eagle pads question

2008-07-11 by Markus Zingg

There is an isolation spacing setting in the poligon propperties. You 
can also change it on an existing poligon. This setting will define the 
isolation distance between the poligon covered area and other signals. 
Look up change -> isolate or the values you can enter while you create 
the polygon.

HTH

Markus
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> Although I don't need a polygon now, I have used polygon to
> create a groundplane in the past. However, when doing so,
> I could not figure out how to merge the filled polygon
> with the adjacent ground trace. Eagle always left an etched space
> between the two.
>
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: CadSoft Eagle pads question

2008-07-11 by Mike Young

That might be the step Alan is missing. Try changing the polygon's signal 
name to GND. Eagle should then merge the ground traces into the ground 
plane, and isolate around the other sigs.
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Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: CadSoft Eagle pads question


I have used polygons to make ground planes also, I would just rename the 
polygon as GND same as all of my GNDs, I use a polygon around the whole 
bottom layer.
Actually, I have only done it twice but they have turned out nice.

--- On Fri, 7/11/08, alan00463 <alan00463@...> wrote:

From: alan00463 <alan00463@...>
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: CadSoft Eagle pads question
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 10:40 AM

Although I don't need a polygon now, I have used polygon to
create a groundplane in the past. However, when doing so,
I could not figure out how to merge the filled polygon
with the adjacent ground trace. Eagle always left an etched space
between the two.

Re: CadSoft Eagle pads question

2008-07-12 by warrenbrayshaw

Follow the instructions in the Eagle tutorial to understand how to
pour ground planes. 

This subject should be discussed in the eaglecad@yahoogroups.com group.

Regards  
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> 
> Although I don't need a polygon now, I have used polygon to
> create a groundplane in the past. However, when doing so,
> I could not figure out how to merge the filled polygon
> with the adjacent ground trace. Eagle always left an etched space
> between the two.
>

Re: CadSoft Eagle pads question

2008-07-15 by Steve

It is acceptable to discuss it here, too.

Steve Greenfield
owner Homebrew_PCBs

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "warrenbrayshaw"
<warrenbrayshaw@...> wrote:
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>
> Follow the instructions in the Eagle tutorial to understand how to
> pour ground planes. 
> 
> This subject should be discussed in the eaglecad@yahoogroups.com group.
> 
> Regards  
> 
> 
> > 
> > Although I don't need a polygon now, I have used polygon to
> > create a groundplane in the past. However, when doing so,
> > I could not figure out how to merge the filled polygon
> > with the adjacent ground trace. Eagle always left an etched space
> > between the two.
> >
>

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