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What's the best photoresist?

What's the best photoresist?

2008-05-23 by dkosokar

I'm looking for a positive acting photoresist I can apply at home.
I've wanted to try Positiv 20 but can't seem to buy it in the USA. Can
it be had anywhere that you folks know of? Is it a decent resist?

What are you folks using? Yes, I know there are presensitized boards,
but they are very expensive.

Does anyone use dry film resist? I have a laminator, and wouldn't mind
using it if this type of resist works well. Does a regular laminator
work to apply this resist?

I've tried Datak negative acting resist, without much luck, and now my
bottle is so old, I don't trust it any more. Anyone use this stuff
successfully? I prefer pos resist because it's easier to print than
negatives.

How about radical ideas like Diazo compounds used for silk screening?
Would this stuff have fine enough detail and woul it stand up to
ferric chloride?

Any input would be greatly appreciated!

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] What's the best photoresist?

2008-05-23 by Markus Zingg

I regularly - or better said - almost exclusively work with dryfilm 
resist. The problem with Positiv 20 you mention is that you will have 
problems with applying an even layer of it let alone the problems with 
dust in the air that will stick to it etc.

Dryfilm resist is haveing a lot of advantages not only for doing PCBs. 
As an example, also make aluminium housings for my projects this way or 
solder stencils. There are both kind of resists available (positive and 
negative) even though the negative ones dominate. You find positive ones 
i.e. marketed as solder stop mask laminate.

I'm also using a regular laminator. You may have to take off the housing 
or modify it in order to adapt it to the thikness of PCB boards. Some 
are better suited than others, but with the sheer amount of products its 
close to impossible to suggest a given product cause it's likely not to 
be available where you live anyways. I simply bought one, tried it out 
and it worked, but that was four years ago. I thus figure that this 
given product is no longer available. If it would not have worked, I 
simply would have put it on ebay and tried another one. The price is no 
real argument nor are the published capabilites cause you will use the 
laminator out of its official specs anyways hence the needed experimenting.

HTH

Markus

dkosokar schrieb:
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>
> I'm looking for a positive acting photoresist I can apply at home.
> I've wanted to try Positiv 20 but can't seem to buy it in the USA. Can
> it be had anywhere that you folks know of? Is it a decent resist?
>
> What are you folks using? Yes, I know there are presensitized boards,
> but they are very expensive.
>
> Does anyone use dry film resist? I have a laminator, and wouldn't mind
> using it if this type of resist works well. Does a regular laminator
> work to apply this resist?
>
> I've tried Datak negative acting resist, without much luck, and now my
> bottle is so old, I don't trust it any more. Anyone use this stuff
> successfully? I prefer pos resist because it's easier to print than
> negatives.
>
> How about radical ideas like Diazo compounds used for silk screening?
> Would this stuff have fine enough detail and woul it stand up to
> ferric chloride?
>
> Any input would be greatly appreciated!
>
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] What's the best photoresist?

2008-05-23 by Matthew Smith

Quoth Markus Zingg at 2008-05-23 18:33...
> I regularly - or better said - almost exclusively work with dryfilm 
> resist. The problem with Positiv 20 you mention is that you will have 
> problems with applying an even layer of it let alone the problems with 
> dust in the air that will stick to it etc.

Having just Google'd on that, is this the product from Asahi Kasei?

 From where would one obtain this product?  I'm in Australia and "dry 
film resist" doesn't turn up anything sensible on Google, so I guess I'd 
need a vendor elsewhere that would ship over here.

Whilst I'm quite happy using Kinsten pre-sensitised boards for PCB 
purposes, I've wanted to do some photolithographic etching for artistic 
purposes and know that the Electrolube spray-on resist absolutely sucks!

Cheers

M

-- 
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Smiffytech - Technology Consulting & Web Application Development
Business: http://www.smiffytech.com/
Personal: http://www.smiffysplace.com/
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] What's the best photoresist?

2008-05-23 by Leon

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> 
> Whilst I'm quite happy using Kinsten pre-sensitised boards for PCB 
> purposes, I've wanted to do some photolithographic etching for artistic 
> purposes and know that the Electrolube spray-on resist absolutely sucks!

It used to be OK, but they changed the stuff a few years ago.

Leon

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] What's the best photoresist?

2008-05-23 by Markus Zingg

Matthew,

I use ordyl alpha. There are several manufacturers of such dryfilm 
resist. Usually you get it from PCM board house suppliers. Since there 
you most likely will have to buy two rolls (all professional laminators 
work with two rolls one for the top, the other for the bottom layer) 
that might be a bit pricey. Well, I usually still buy two rolls, cause 
that material is so versatile I use it up easily and usually also offer 
some meters of it to others intersted.

If you search the archives there were other threads. I vaguely remember 
that there is an online shop selling sheet material - obviousely at 
higher prices...

HTH

Markus

Matthew Smith schrieb:
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>
> Quoth Markus Zingg at 2008-05-23 18:33...
> > I regularly - or better said - almost exclusively work with dryfilm
> > resist. The problem with Positiv 20 you mention is that you will have
> > problems with applying an even layer of it let alone the problems with
> > dust in the air that will stick to it etc.
>
> Having just Google'd on that, is this the product from Asahi Kasei?
>
> >From where would one obtain this product? I'm in Australia and "dry
> film resist" doesn't turn up anything sensible on Google, so I guess I'd
> need a vendor elsewhere that would ship over here.
>
> Whilst I'm quite happy using Kinsten pre-sensitised boards for PCB
> purposes, I've wanted to do some photolithographic etching for artistic
> purposes and know that the Electrolube spray-on resist absolutely sucks!
>
> Cheers
>
> M
>
> -- 
> Matthew Smith
> Smiffytech - Technology Consulting & Web Application Development
> Business: http://www.smiffytech.com/ <http://www.smiffytech.com/>
> Personal: http://www.smiffysplace.com/ <http://www.smiffysplace.com/>
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy 
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy>
>
>

Re: What's the best photoresist?

2008-05-23 by javaguy11111

That would be me. :-)

Matthew, you can go to www.pcbhobbyist.com. I also have pages
demonstrating the use of the resist as well.

Damon

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Markus Zingg <homebrew-pcb@...>
wrote:
>
> Matthew,
> 
> I use ordyl alpha. There are several manufacturers of such dryfilm 
> resist. Usually you get it from PCM board house suppliers. Since there 
> you most likely will have to buy two rolls (all professional laminators 
> work with two rolls one for the top, the other for the bottom layer) 
> that might be a bit pricey. Well, I usually still buy two rolls, cause 
> that material is so versatile I use it up easily and usually also offer 
> some meters of it to others intersted.
> 
> If you search the archives there were other threads. I vaguely remember 
> that there is an online shop selling sheet material - obviousely at 
> higher prices...
> 
> HTH
> 
> Markus
> 
> Matthew Smith schrieb:
> >
> > Quoth Markus Zingg at 2008-05-23 18:33...
> > > I regularly - or better said - almost exclusively work with dryfilm
> > > resist. The problem with Positiv 20 you mention is that you will
have
> > > problems with applying an even layer of it let alone the
problems with
> > > dust in the air that will stick to it etc.
> >
> > Having just Google'd on that, is this the product from Asahi Kasei?
> >
> > >From where would one obtain this product? I'm in Australia and "dry
> > film resist" doesn't turn up anything sensible on Google, so I
guess I'd
> > need a vendor elsewhere that would ship over here.
> >
> > Whilst I'm quite happy using Kinsten pre-sensitised boards for PCB
> > purposes, I've wanted to do some photolithographic etching for
artistic
> > purposes and know that the Electrolube spray-on resist absolutely
sucks!
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > M
> >
> > -- 
> > Matthew Smith
> > Smiffytech - Technology Consulting & Web Application Development
> > Business: http://www.smiffytech.com/ <http://www.smiffytech.com/>
> > Personal: http://www.smiffysplace.com/ <http://www.smiffysplace.com/>
> > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy 
> > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy>
> >
> >
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: What's the best photoresist?

2008-05-24 by Matthew Smith

Quoth javaguy11111 at 2008-05-23 22:37...
> That would be me. :-)
> 
> Matthew, you can go to www.pcbhobbyist.com. I also have pages
> demonstrating the use of the resist as well.

What do those prices actually mean - are they delivered prices or is 
there a surcharge for non-US orders?  Do you take PayPal?

Cheers

M

-- 
Matthew Smith
Smiffytech - Technology Consulting & Web Application Development
Business: http://www.smiffytech.com/
Personal: http://www.smiffysplace.com/
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] What's the best photoresist?

2008-05-24 by Adam Seychell

I use dry film resist all the time too. Over the years I've pretty much 
perfected applying the film onto PCB material for prototyping. I used 
"wet lamination" method where the film is applied with a film of water 
covering copper. I have to make a PCB tomorrow so I'll take some photos 
to illustrate. There's a few tricks to it.

The advantage with "wet lamination" is it virtually eliminates dust 
entrapment, wrinkling, and trapped air bubbles. I gave up on hot roll 
lamination years ago.

The only problem is sourcing small quantities of the film. Standard pack 
size is a box of 2 rolls, each 500' long (152 meters) and a choice of 
12" or 18" wide. In Australia, price was something like AU$600 for the 
12" rolls. I got lucky and was given some from a PCB manufacture some 
5~6 years ago. It still works like new.

Adam


water Markus Zingg wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> I regularly - or better said - almost exclusively work with dryfilm 
> resist. The problem with Positiv 20 you mention is that you will have 
> problems with applying an even layer of it let alone the problems with 
> dust in the air that will stick to it etc.
> 
> Dryfilm resist is haveing a lot of advantages not only for doing PCBs. 
> As an example, also make aluminium housings for my projects this way or 
> solder stencils. There are both kind of resists available (positive and 
> negative) even though the negative ones dominate. You find positive ones 
> i.e. marketed as solder stop mask laminate.
> 
> I'm also using a regular laminator. You may have to take off the housing 
> or modify it in order to adapt it to the thikness of PCB boards. Some 
> are better suited than others, but with the sheer amount of products its 
> close to impossible to suggest a given product cause it's likely not to 
> be available where you live anyways. I simply bought one, tried it out 
> and it worked, but that was four years ago. I thus figure that this 
> given product is no longer available. If it would not have worked, I 
> simply would have put it on ebay and tried another one. The price is no 
> real argument nor are the published capabilites cause you will use the 
> laminator out of its official specs anyways hence the needed experimenting.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Markus
> 
> dkosokar schrieb:
>> I'm looking for a positive acting photoresist I can apply at home.
>> I've wanted to try Positiv 20 but can't seem to buy it in the USA. Can
>> it be had anywhere that you folks know of? Is it a decent resist?
>>
>> What are you folks using? Yes, I know there are presensitized boards,
>> but they are very expensive.
>>
>> Does anyone use dry film resist? I have a laminator, and wouldn't mind
>> using it if this type of resist works well. Does a regular laminator
>> work to apply this resist?
>>
>> I've tried Datak negative acting resist, without much luck, and now my
>> bottle is so old, I don't trust it any more. Anyone use this stuff
>> successfully? I prefer pos resist because it's easier to print than
>> negatives.
>>
>> How about radical ideas like Diazo compounds used for silk screening?
>> Would this stuff have fine enough detail and woul it stand up to
>> ferric chloride?
>>
>> Any input would be greatly appreciated!
>>
>>  
> 
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] What's the best photoresist?

2008-05-24 by Markus Zingg

Adam,

I'm intersted to see your way of applying the resist. :-)

I agree that applying it is something you need to get the hang of it. I 
meanwhile simply use a sheet of typewriter paper onto which I put the 
PCB. The laminate is then attached to the front of the paper by pressing 
a small stripe onto the paper with a finger. I then lift the film with 
one hand and feed the paper with the PCB on it into the laminator. Since 
I do it this way, I never had any probelms with air bubbles or wrapped 
film etc. It should be said that how well this works in general depends 
on the kind of laminator too and that's why there does not seem to be 
the "only working method" for getting to good results. It's definately 
an area where everyone must experiment a little and find the best method 
for his own needs. Factors that have influence here IMHO are:

- the diameter of the rolls (IMHO the bigger the better)
- the amount of pressure the rolls apply (usually this can be regulated 
with screws in the laminator)
- the temperature
- the amount of time you allow the laminator to have en even temperature 
across the rolls. I usually let my laminator run for at least 15 minutes 
bevore I start using it.

Again, never heard of applying it "wet". I'm definately interested to 
see the pictures. Tanks in advance for takeing the effort.

Markus

Adam Seychell schrieb:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> I use dry film resist all the time too. Over the years I've pretty much
> perfected applying the film onto PCB material for prototyping. I used
> "wet lamination" method where the film is applied with a film of water
> covering copper. I have to make a PCB tomorrow so I'll take some photos
> to illustrate. There's a few tricks to it.
>
> The advantage with "wet lamination" is it virtually eliminates dust
> entrapment, wrinkling, and trapped air bubbles. I gave up on hot roll
> lamination years ago.
>
> The only problem is sourcing small quantities of the film. Standard pack
> size is a box of 2 rolls, each 500' long (152 meters) and a choice of
> 12" or 18" wide. In Australia, price was something like AU$600 for the
> 12" rolls. I got lucky and was given some from a PCB manufacture some
> 5~6 years ago. It still works like new.
>
> Adam
>
> water Markus Zingg wrote:
> > I regularly - or better said - almost exclusively work with dryfilm
> > resist. The problem with Positiv 20 you mention is that you will have
> > problems with applying an even layer of it let alone the problems with
> > dust in the air that will stick to it etc.
> >
> > Dryfilm resist is haveing a lot of advantages not only for doing PCBs.
> > As an example, also make aluminium housings for my projects this way or
> > solder stencils. There are both kind of resists available (positive and
> > negative) even though the negative ones dominate. You find positive 
> ones
> > i.e. marketed as solder stop mask laminate.
> >
> > I'm also using a regular laminator. You may have to take off the 
> housing
> > or modify it in order to adapt it to the thikness of PCB boards. Some
> > are better suited than others, but with the sheer amount of products 
> its
> > close to impossible to suggest a given product cause it's likely not to
> > be available where you live anyways. I simply bought one, tried it out
> > and it worked, but that was four years ago. I thus figure that this
> > given product is no longer available. If it would not have worked, I
> > simply would have put it on ebay and tried another one. The price is no
> > real argument nor are the published capabilites cause you will use the
> > laminator out of its official specs anyways hence the needed 
> experimenting.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Markus
> >
> > dkosokar schrieb:
> >> I'm looking for a positive acting photoresist I can apply at home.
> >> I've wanted to try Positiv 20 but can't seem to buy it in the USA. Can
> >> it be had anywhere that you folks know of? Is it a decent resist?
> >>
> >> What are you folks using? Yes, I know there are presensitized boards,
> >> but they are very expensive.
> >>
> >> Does anyone use dry film resist? I have a laminator, and wouldn't mind
> >> using it if this type of resist works well. Does a regular laminator
> >> work to apply this resist?
> >>
> >> I've tried Datak negative acting resist, without much luck, and now my
> >> bottle is so old, I don't trust it any more. Anyone use this stuff
> >> successfully? I prefer pos resist because it's easier to print than
> >> negatives.
> >>
> >> How about radical ideas like Diazo compounds used for silk screening?
> >> Would this stuff have fine enough detail and woul it stand up to
> >> ferric chloride?
> >>
> >> Any input would be greatly appreciated!
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] What's the best photoresist?

2008-05-24 by Adam Seychell

I first heard about "wet lamination" in one of Karl Dietz's articles in 
CircuiTree.
http://www.circuitree.com/Articles/Column/ac577d14667d7010VgnVCM100000f932a8c0____
http://www.circuitree.com/Articles/Feature_Article/93ce8a1fc08d7010VgnVCM100000f932a8c0____

Originally I made a hot water roller laminator machine that circulated 
filtered water in a heated tank. The filtered water was ejected between 
two rubber rollers while the PCB and film were brought together and 
laminated by pressing action of the rollers.
It worked well, but it was fiddly positioning the film and it could 
wrinkle if the film wasn't perfectly flat over the roller.
Since then I scrapped my machine and went for a much simpler approach.

Basically I lay the PCB horizontal and use squeegee to apply the dry 
film. I'll explain it properly later.

Adam


Markus Zingg wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Adam,
> 
> I'm intersted to see your way of applying the resist. :-)
> 
> I agree that applying it is something you need to get the hang of it. I 
> meanwhile simply use a sheet of typewriter paper onto which I put the 
> PCB. The laminate is then attached to the front of the paper by pressing 
> a small stripe onto the paper with a finger. I then lift the film with 
> one hand and feed the paper with the PCB on it into the laminator. Since 
> I do it this way, I never had any probelms with air bubbles or wrapped 
> film etc. It should be said that how well this works in general depends 
> on the kind of laminator too and that's why there does not seem to be 
> the "only working method" for getting to good results. It's definately 
> an area where everyone must experiment a little and find the best method 
> for his own needs. Factors that have influence here IMHO are:
> 
> - the diameter of the rolls (IMHO the bigger the better)
> - the amount of pressure the rolls apply (usually this can be regulated 
> with screws in the laminator)
> - the temperature
> - the amount of time you allow the laminator to have en even temperature 
> across the rolls. I usually let my laminator run for at least 15 minutes 
> bevore I start using it.
> 
> Again, never heard of applying it "wet". I'm definately interested to 
> see the pictures. Tanks in advance for takeing the effort.
>

Re: What's the best photoresist?

2008-05-24 by javaguy11111

Matthew,

I have sent you a private email so I do not clutter up the group with
shipping details. If you do not get it then just send an email to
damonb at pcbhobbyist dot com and I can answer all your questions.

Damon

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Smith <matt@...> wrote:
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>
> Quoth javaguy11111 at 2008-05-23 22:37...
> > That would be me. :-)
> > 
> > Matthew, you can go to www.pcbhobbyist.com. I also have pages
> > demonstrating the use of the resist as well.
> 
> What do those prices actually mean - are they delivered prices or is 
> there a surcharge for non-US orders?  Do you take PayPal?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> M
> 
> -- 
> Matthew Smith
> Smiffytech - Technology Consulting & Web Application Development
> Business: http://www.smiffytech.com/
> Personal: http://www.smiffysplace.com/
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy
>

Re: What's the best photoresist?

2008-05-25 by pork_u_pine2000

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Adam Seychell <a_seychell@...>
wrote:
>
> 
> Basically I lay the PCB horizontal and use squeegee to apply the dry 
> film. I'll explain it properly later.
> 
> Adam
> 

I am very eager to see how this is done too!  

I purchased a large roll of this material a while ago but have become
very frustrated attempting to apply it without bubbles.  I've tried to
follow Marcus's procedure a number of times without getting the hang
of it.  I thought I knew how to be careful and methodical about
working something like this out, but I have just been avoiding the
whole project for a while now.  

I have intended for some time to ask for advice on exactly this
subject, and would really appreciate more concrete detail.

-- Dave

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: What's the best photoresist?

2008-05-25 by Markus Zingg

Dave,

Assuming you really tried it for a while, you may want to change the 
laminator, or try to loosen the screws (reducing the pressure).

I never let the foil touch the PCB except for the small part that is 
going into the laminator. It works also withouth paper. What's important 
is that the foil does NOT stick to the PCB. I.e. if the envireonement is 
too hot, that happens easily. The foil should kind of float on the PCB 
material. If you then still get boubles, it might be that the rolls 
don't press uniformly (or too hard) or that the temperature you use is 
too hot. Try with a too low temperature first (so as you can eventually 
remove the foil after laminating) then slowly increase the temperature.

HTH

Markus

pork_u_pine2000 schrieb:
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>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>, Adam Seychell <a_seychell@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Basically I lay the PCB horizontal and use squeegee to apply the dry
> > film. I'll explain it properly later.
> >
> > Adam
> >
>
> I am very eager to see how this is done too!
>
> I purchased a large roll of this material a while ago but have become
> very frustrated attempting to apply it without bubbles. I've tried to
> follow Marcus's procedure a number of times without getting the hang
> of it. I thought I knew how to be careful and methodical about
> working something like this out, but I have just been avoiding the
> whole project for a while now.
>
> I have intended for some time to ask for advice on exactly this
> subject, and would really appreciate more concrete detail.
>
> -- Dave
>
>

Re: What's the best photoresist?

2008-05-26 by garydeal

>...but have become
>very frustrated attempting to apply it without bubbles.

If it's of any help, in my limited experience, when I have small bubbles 
I use a sharp point to poke a *tiny* hole through the cover sheet and 
resist, then run it through the laminator again. Preferably at the 
trailing edge - the last part that will go through the laminator. The 
hole should allow the trapped air to escape, and since the resist is 
gooey when hot it usually clears the bubble and seals up nicely. Not 
always 100% effective, but it works often enough for me to bring up.

-Gary

Re: What's the best photoresist?

2008-07-02 by fan_nastelroy

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "dkosokar" <dkosokar@...> wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a positive acting photoresist I can apply at home.
> I've wanted to try Positiv 20 but can't seem to buy it in the USA. Can
> it be had anywhere that you folks know of? Is it a decent resist?
> 
> What are you folks using? Yes, I know there are presensitized boards,
> but they are very expensive.
> 
> Does anyone use dry film resist? I have a laminator, and wouldn't mind
> using it if this type of resist works well. Does a regular laminator
> work to apply this resist?
> 
> I've tried Datak negative acting resist, without much luck, and now my
> bottle is so old, I don't trust it any more. Anyone use this stuff
> successfully? I prefer pos resist because it's easier to print than
> negatives.
> 
> How about radical ideas like Diazo compounds used for silk screening?
> Would this stuff have fine enough detail and woul it stand up to
> ferric chloride?
> 
> Any input would be greatly appreciated!
>Hii dsokokar,

i have tried with the "Diazol" for photo silkscreen, it must be mixing
with his katalis(SR liquid), its have yellow/orange color..
it pretty after exposure +/- 5 minute, then spray with water, but the
problem is...this photoresist is not strong enough with ferric chloride...

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: What's the best photoresist?

2008-07-02 by Herbert E. Plett

--- On Wed, 7/2/08, fan_nastelroy <fan_nastelroy@...> wrote:
> i have tried with the "Diazol" for photo
> silkscreen, it must be mixing
> with his katalis(SR liquid), its have yellow/orange color..
> it pretty after exposure +/- 5 minute, then spray with
> water, but the
> problem is...this photoresist is not strong enough with
> ferric chloride...

have you tried 'baking' the board before etching? 
(something similar to what the direct print people do)

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: What's the best photoresist?

2008-07-02 by fana cute

i have bake that, but i dont have the maximum or minimum limitation...i just bake then for 1-2 minute..i also have any problem with applying the photoresist (cream) at the copper...it very difficult to make flat surface..

--- On Tue, 7/1/08, Herbert E. Plett <cachureos@...> wrote:
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From: Herbert E. Plett <cachureos@...>
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: What's the best photoresist?
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 10:04 PM










    
            --- On Wed, 7/2/08, fan_nastelroy <fan_nastelroy@ yahoo.com> wrote:

> i have tried with the "Diazol" for photo

> silkscreen, it must be mixing

> with his katalis(SR liquid), its have yellow/orange color..

> it pretty after exposure +/- 5 minute, then spray with

> water, but the

> problem is...this photoresist is not strong enough with

> ferric chloride...



have you tried 'baking' the board before etching? 

(something similar to what the direct print people do)




      

    
    
	
	 
	
	








	


	
	


      

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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: What's the best photoresist?

2008-07-02 by Herbert E. Plett

can you tell formula of cream?
did you try spinning?


--- On Wed, 7/2/08, fana cute <fan_nastelroy@...> wrote:
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> i have bake that, but i dont have the maximum or minimum
> limitation...i just bake then for 1-2 minute..i also have
> any problem with applying the photoresist (cream) at the
> copper...it very difficult to make flat surface..

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: What's the best photoresist?

2008-07-02 by fana cute

Spinning, I think it cannot be done, because the photoresist is not a liquid...it is creamy, like  gel...can you help me?


--- On Tue, 7/1/08, Herbert E. Plett <cachureos@...> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: What's the best photoresist?
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            can you tell formula of cream?

did you try spinning?



--- On Wed, 7/2/08, fana cute <fan_nastelroy@ yahoo.com> wrote:



> i have bake that, but i dont have the maximum or minimum

> limitation.. .i just bake then for 1-2 minute..i also have

> any problem with applying the photoresist (cream) at the

> copper...it very difficult to make flat surface..




      

    
    
	
	 
	
	








	


	
	


      

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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: What's the best photoresist?

2008-07-02 by Herbert E. Plett

--- On Wed, 7/2/08, fana cute <fan_nastelroy@...> wrote:
> Spinning, I think it cannot be done, because the photoresist
> is not a liquid...it is creamy, like  gel...can you help
> me?

a gel?
how did you create it? aqueous or solvent based? UV or visible light?

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: What's the best photoresist?

2008-07-02 by fana cute

yes, like a gel but more creamy..you must try this,..i made from "diazol+SR(its catalis)" from photo silk screen emulsion., then  i applied with copper at dark room...
 
--- On Wed, 7/2/08, Herbert E. Plett <cachureos@yahoo.com> wrote:
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From: Herbert E. Plett <cachureos@...>
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Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 12:29 AM










    
            --- On Wed, 7/2/08, fana cute <fan_nastelroy@ yahoo.com> wrote:

> Spinning, I think it cannot be done, because the photoresist

> is not a liquid...it is creamy, like  gel...can you help

> me?



a gel?

how did you create it? aqueous or solvent based? UV or visible light?




      

    
    
	
	 
	
	








	


	
	


      

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