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hi group, just found out this. 'just thought i'd post it here
http://www.liquidpcb.org/UserInterface/userinterface.html
interesting interface.

Interesting. Have you downloaded and tried it out yet?

Steve Greenfield

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "mhel" <rt2d_user@...> wrote:

>
> hi group, just found out this. 'just thought i'd post it here
> http://www.liquidpcb.org/UserInterface/userinterface.html
> interesting interface.

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From: "Steve" <alienrelics@...>
To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:06 PM
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: new pcb layout program..


> Interesting. Have you downloaded and tried it out yet?

I found it very confusing and had a lot of trouble getting it to do 
anything. It needs a great deal of work before it will be usable.

Leon
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> > mhel wrote:
> >
> > hi group, just found out this. 'just thought i'd post it here
> > http://www.liquidpcb.org/UserInterface/userinterface.html
> > interesting interface.

> Steve wrote:
>
> Interesting. Have you downloaded and tried it out yet?

Just downloaded it to play.

It certainly isn't a useful tool yet and may never be developed far 
enough.  At present it just seems to be showing off the user 
interface and menu system.  It is not a terrible idea and may 
actually be much better/faster for new users.  I myself and a fan of 
keyboard short cuts over mouse gestures.

However the "nudge routing" is very very interesting.  I hand route a 
lot of boards and I would love to have a feature like this.

I wonder what DJ thinks of it and if it might ever be on the to-do 
list in PCB.  It can produce boards like the ones DJ does with his 
"global puller" from the outset.

"Andrew" <andrewm1973@...> writes:
> However the "nudge routing" is very very interesting.  I hand route a 
> lot of boards and I would love to have a feature like this.
> 
> I wonder what DJ thinks of it and if it might ever be on the to-do 
> list in PCB.  It can produce boards like the ones DJ does with his 
> "global puller" from the outset.

The nudge routing is what I had in mind when I started on the global
puller, but I was never able to get it to the point where it could be
used that way.

If Liquid PCB is GPL, someone could merge LP's UI with PCB's backend.

Andrew wrote:
>>> mhel wrote:
>>>
>>> hi group, just found out this. 'just thought i'd post it here
>>> http://www.liquidpcb.org/UserInterface/userinterface.html
>>> interesting interface.
> 
>> Steve wrote:
>>
>> Interesting. Have you downloaded and tried it out yet?
> 
> Just downloaded it to play.
> 
> It certainly isn't a useful tool yet and may never be developed far 
> enough.  At present it just seems to be showing off the user 
> interface and menu system.  It is not a terrible idea and may 
> actually be much better/faster for new users.  I myself and a fan of 
> keyboard short cuts over mouse gestures.
> 
> However the "nudge routing" is very very interesting.  I hand route a 
> lot of boards and I would love to have a feature like this.
> 

I had a little play with Altium. It will let you push existing tracks 
aside as you drag a new track on the board. Good fun.

Of course, it will cost you all your disposable income for 10 years and 
the soul of your first-born if you want your own copy so that's not very 
practical.

>

> Peter H wrote:
>
> I had a little play with Altium. It will let
> you push existing tracks aside as you drag a
> new track on the board. Good fun.
> 
> Of course, it will cost you all your
> disposable income for 10 years and the soul
> of your first-born if you want your own copy
> so that's not very practical.

And your sanity.

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Peter Harrison" <peter.harrison@...>
To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: new pcb layout program..


> Andrew wrote:
>>>> mhel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> hi group, just found out this. 'just thought i'd post it here
>>>> http://www.liquidpcb.org/UserInterface/userinterface.html
>>>> interesting interface.
>>
>>> Steve wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting. Have you downloaded and tried it out yet?
>>
>> Just downloaded it to play.
>>
>> It certainly isn't a useful tool yet and may never be developed far
>> enough.  At present it just seems to be showing off the user
>> interface and menu system.  It is not a terrible idea and may
>> actually be much better/faster for new users.  I myself and a fan of
>> keyboard short cuts over mouse gestures.
>>
>> However the "nudge routing" is very very interesting.  I hand route a
>> lot of boards and I would love to have a feature like this.
>>
>
> I had a little play with Altium. It will let you push existing tracks
> aside as you drag a new track on the board. Good fun.
>
> Of course, it will cost you all your disposable income for 10 years and
> the soul of your first-born if you want your own copy so that's not very
> practical.

Pulsonix does that, and also does it if you move parts around, and pushes 
parts, tracks and vias out of the way. It's a lot cheaper than Altium.

Leon
--
Leon Heller
Amateur radio call-sign G1HSM
Yaesu FT-817ND and FT-857D transceivers
Suzuki SV1000S motorcycle
leon355@...
http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller

>  It's a lot cheaper than Altium.

you can save your son's soul...


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--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Herbert E. Plett" 
<cachureos@...> wrote:
>
> >  It's a lot cheaper than Altium.
> 
> you can save your son's soul...

Bugger ...  too late.
> 
> 
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> > However the "nudge routing" is very very interesting.  I hand 
route a 
> > lot of boards and I would love to have a feature like this.
> I had a little play with Altium. It will let you push existing 
tracks 
> aside as you drag a new track on the board. Good fun.
> 
> Of course, it will cost you all your disposable income for 10 years 
and 
> the soul of your first-born if you want your own copy so that's not 
very 
> practical.

I do my PCBs with Mentor Graphics Pinacle PCB @ work. A very great 
tool, but I will never pay such much money for me personal. There are 
a lot of very useful functions in it especially for automated 
assisted manual routing. And I'm sure, I use only a little subset of 
all possibilities ;-)

Martin