Homebrew PCBs

Today I bought some Avery Ink Jet T-Shirt Transfer Papaer. For making Iron Ons from an ink jet printer. If any of you are thinking about doing this dont. When the paper fed through my printer lots of smoke was coming out of my printer and I have ran about 10 blank sheets of paper through the printer since trying to remove any remainin residue from inside of the printer. I guess what happend was the Toner stuck to the paper and then transfer from the paper to the "hot roller". And now I think Im going to have to take my printer apart and clean it.

I then tried to use this in an ink jet printer and transfer it to the PCB, this did tansfer but it transfer plastic in between all of the traces, this would be resistive to the copper etch and wont work.

So with all of the said the iron on transfer paper for T-Shirts will not work. Lucky me I have 3 kids and can make them some shirts with this paper. Too bad I have to clean my Laser Printer now.

Good Luck All,
Jesse

On 09/11/06, Jesse Smith <stoi2m1@...> wrote:
> Today I bought some Avery Ink Jet T-Shirt Transfer Papaer. For making Iron Ons from an ink jet printer.

At that point one should ask onself the question, do I own an inkjet
printer......

>And now I think Im going to have to take my printer apart and clean it.

You may have to bin it, because cleaning the gunk off may actually
damage the heater roller, mine has a thin rubber film to it.

> I then tried to use this in an ink jet printer and transfer it to the PCB, this did tansfer but it transfer plastic in between all of the traces, this would be resistive to the copper etch and wont work.

Yes thats what happens, its useless for toner transfer, and useless
for any kind of board experiments, unless anyone has had any success
with optical methods with it.


Sorry to hear this but I think it actually says on the packets nott
ouse it in a laser.

I didnt need you to reiterate to me, that I made a mistake, I had already shared that. Thank You...

Oh and I do own an Ink Jet. Oh and lots of things us DIYers do go completely against the instructed use of the materials we obtain. So I will share again. To all dont use Iron On Transfer Paper in You Laser Printer.

I am rather handy with my tools machinery, I should be able to clean my laser printer for use with no problems. Immediately after I made the mistake I ran a print job of about 10 pages with just a dot to print to help this cleaning process be easier. By the last sheet it was looking pretty good. But I will see when I try to use it again tomorrow.

Jesse

----- Original Message ----
From: Lez <lez.briddon@...>
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2006 12:31:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Avery T-Shirt Transfer Paper

On 09/11/06, Jesse Smith <stoi2m1@yahoo. com> wrote:
> Today I bought some Avery Ink Jet T-Shirt Transfer Papaer. For making Iron Ons from an ink jet printer.

At that point one should ask onself the question, do I own an inkjet
printer..... .

>And now I think Im going to have to take my printer apart and clean it.

You may have to bin it, because cleaning the gunk off may actually
damage the heater roller, mine has a thin rubber film to it.

> I then tried to use this in an ink jet printer and transfer it to the PCB, this did tansfer but it transfer plastic in between all of the traces, this would be resistive to the copper etch and wont work.

Yes thats what happens, its useless for toner transfer, and useless
for any kind of board experiments, unless anyone has had any success
with optical methods with it.

Sorry to hear this but I think it actually says on the packets nott
ouse it in a laser.



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On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:31:13 +0100, Lez <lez.briddon@...> wrote:

>
> You may have to bin it, because cleaning the gunk off may actually
> damage the heater roller, mine has a thin rubber film to it.

It's usually a teflon coating, like a cooking pan. Don't scrape on it with  
something hard, if the gunk doesn't come off you can heat it to operating  
temperature and then wipe it off (avoiding burns as much as possible).
There's usually a felt cleaning pad in contact with the fuser roller,  
check that out it is probably all gunked up and just spreading the stuff  
if much came off.

If you damage the teflon you get marks on each page.

ST

Thanks for the tip, now thats the kind of postive feedback I join a group like this for.

Jesse

----- Original Message ----
From: Stefan Trethan <stefan_trethan@...>
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2006 12:54:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Avery T-Shirt Transfer Paper


On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:31:13 +0100, Lez <lez.briddon@...m> wrote:

>
> You may have to bin it, because cleaning the gunk off may actually
> damage the heater roller, mine has a thin rubber film to it.

It's usually a teflon coating, like a cooking pan. Don't scrape on it with  
something hard, if the gunk doesn't come off you can heat it to operating  
temperature and then wipe it off (avoiding burns as much as possible).
There's usually a felt cleaning pad in contact with the fuser roller,  
check that out it is probably all gunked up and just spreading the stuff  
if much came off.

If you damage the teflon you get marks on each page.

ST


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On 09/11/06, Jesse Smith <stoi2m1@...> wrote:
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> I didnt need you to reiterate to me, that I made a mistake, I had already shared that. Thank You...
>
>  Oh and I do own an Ink Jet. Oh and lots of things us DIYers do go completely against the instructed use of the materials we obtain. So I will share again. To all dont use Iron On Transfer Paper in You Laser Printer.


Yes sorry for doing a 'I told you so' but it was an adhesive coated
paper designed to melt when heated, going into a printer that heats.

I suppose we have all done silly things in our time, I know I have............

I decided to get more heat out of the iron to just wire out the
thermostat, it was so hot that the PCB 'popped' and all the copper
came right off the fibreglass.


Lez

I had no idea how this paper was intended to work. I should have posted the question of "has anybody tried...", but I get tired of people not trying things themselves and to practice how I feel, I do attempt alot without prior knowledge. So now I have made a mistake and feel the need to share my Ooops I messed up post. Oh well live and learn. I will update my info in the database as soon as I have some free time. Which may not be too soon, with the added cleanup I have at hand.

Hopefully Tomorrow will be a Better Day,
Jesse

----- Original Message ----
From: Lez <lez.briddon@...>
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2006 1:19:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Avery T-Shirt Transfer Paper

On 09/11/06, Jesse Smith <stoi2m1@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I didnt need you to reiterate to me, that I made a mistake, I had already shared that. Thank You...
>
> Oh and I do own an Ink Jet. Oh and lots of things us DIYers do go completely against the instructed use of the materials we obtain. So I will share again. To all dont use Iron On Transfer Paper in You Laser Printer.

Yes sorry for doing a 'I told you so' but it was an adhesive coated
paper designed to melt when heated, going into a printer that heats.

I suppose we have all done silly things in our time, I know I have........ ....

I decided to get more heat out of the iron to just wire out the
thermostat, it was so hot that the PCB 'popped' and all the copper
came right off the fibreglass.

Lez



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:44:52 +0100, Jesse Smith <stoi2m1@...> wrote:

> I had no idea how this paper was intended to work. I should have posted  
> the question of "has anybody tried...", but I get tired of people not  
> trying things themselves and to practice how I feel, I do attempt alot  
> without prior knowledge. So now I have made a mistake and feel the need  
> to share my Ooops I messed up post. Oh well live and learn. I will  
> update my info in the database as soon as I have some free time. Which  
> may not be too soon, with the added cleanup I have at hand.
> Hopefully Tomorrow will be a Better Day,
> Jesse


Actually it has been established several times that t-shirt paper would  
not work even if it can be printed on, but now we can be certain it's not  
a good idea to try.
Don't hesitate to post and ask, you may save yourself some work.

ST

**** ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

2a. Avery T-Shirt Transfer Paper
    Posted by: "Jesse Smith" stoi2m1@... stoi2m1
    Date: Wed Nov 8, 2006 7:21 pm ((PST))

Today I bought some Avery Ink Jet T-Shirt Transfer Papaer. For making Iron 
Ons from an ink jet printer. If any of you are thinking about doing this 
dont. When the paper fed through my printer lots of smoke was coming out of 
my printer and I have ran about 10 blank sheets of paper through the 
printer since trying to remove any remainin residue from inside of the 
printer. I guess what happend was the Toner stuck to the paper and then 
transfer from the paper to the "hot roller". And now I think Im going to 
have to take my printer apart and clean it.

I then tried to use this in an ink jet printer and transfer it to the PCB, 
this did tansfer but it transfer plastic in between all of the traces, this 
would be resistive to the copper etch and wont work.

So with all of the said the iron on transfer paper for T-Shirts will not 
work. Lucky me I have 3 kids and can make them some shirts with this paper. 
Too bad I have to clean my Laser Printer now.

Good Luck All,
Jesse

**** REPLY:

Jesse,

I know someone who did that, once, with an old HP LJ4.  Like you, he 
realized his mistake immediately.  He then ran many blank sheets of plain 
paper through the printer, immediately, but printed some small amount on 
each one.  After about 50 or 100 sheets, no more gunk was coming out on the 
paper.  And the printer has been working fine, ever since.

Good luck!

- Tom Gootee

http://www.fullnet.com/u/tomg