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2006-09-02 by adastra_2001
Lets start with what I don't really want. I don't want to make my own library parts. Are there any free or low cost (<$300) PCB/Schematic programs that have part libraries of tubes? I want to draw a schematic and route a board with vacuum tubes (Valves)? Any ideas?
2006-09-02 by Stefan Trethan
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:32:17 +0200, adastra_2001 <adastra_2001@...> wrote: > Lets start with what I don't really want. I don't want to make my own > library parts. Are there any free or low cost (<$300) PCB/Schematic > programs that have part libraries of tubes? I want to draw a schematic > and route a board with vacuum tubes (Valves)? Any ideas? Have you tried making the parts already or are you just afraid of the unknown? I make all my own libraries, always. If there is a useable footprint already existing it always still needs changes anyway. You will rarely find someone halfway serious with making PCB who is not having his own libraries. So instead of looking for a program that has tube footprints, i believe you should rather look for a program that has a decent way of editing footprints. ST
2006-09-02 by Leon Heller
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From: "adastra_2001" <adastra_2001@...> To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] tubes > Lets start with what I don't really want. I don't want to make my own > library parts. Are there any free or low cost (<$300) PCB/Schematic > programs that have part libraries of tubes? I want to draw a schematic > and route a board with vacuum tubes (Valves)? Any ideas? Just create your own parts, it shouldn't be difficult. It's very easy with the Pulsonix software I use but it cost a lot more than $300. Leon Leon
2006-09-02 by derekhawkins
>Are there any free or low cost (<$300) PCB/Schematic >programs that have part libraries of tubes? Looks like there are some Eagle shared user tube related libraries here; http://www.cadsoftusa.com/download.htm Follow the Libraries link. --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "adastra_2001" <adastra_2001@...> wrote: >
2006-09-03 by adastra_2001
--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "derekhawkins" <eldata@...> wrote: > > >Are there any free or low cost (<$300) PCB/Schematic > >programs that have part libraries of tubes? > > Looks like there are some Eagle shared user tube related libraries > here; > > http://www.cadsoftusa.com/download.htm > > Follow the Libraries link. > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "adastra_2001" > <adastra_2001@> wrote: > > >I thank you for the link regarding Eagle Libraries. I have downloaded them and I will try them. As far as the reluctance to make my own library parts, yes that has a little to do with it as well as the difficulty for me to make the physical measurements needed for a tube socket that will work in a PCB program.
2006-09-03 by derekhawkins
>As far as the reluctance to make my own library parts, yes that has >a little to do with it as well as the difficulty for me to make the >physical measurements needed for a tube socket that will work in a >PCB program. Heard you loud and clear. Nobody wants to reinvent the wheel but sooner or later making your own parts from time to time becomes necessary. --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "adastra_2001" <adastra_2001@...> wrote: >
2006-09-03 by jdizzlemynizzal
--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "adastra_2001" <adastra_2001@...> wrote: > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "derekhawkins" <eldata@> > wrote: > > > > >Are there any free or low cost (<$300) PCB/Schematic > > >programs that have part libraries of tubes? > > > > Looks like there are some Eagle shared user tube related libraries > > here; > > > > http://www.cadsoftusa.com/download.htm > > > > Follow the Libraries link. > > > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "adastra_2001" > > <adastra_2001@> wrote: > > > > >I thank you for the link regarding Eagle Libraries. I have > downloaded them and I will try them. As far as the reluctance to make > my own library parts, yes that has a little to do with it as well as > the difficulty for me to make the physical measurements needed for a > tube socket that will work in a PCB program. > Circuit Maker 2000 Pro comes with tube parts for SPICE analysis. The program is so old now though, that it isnt worth buying it from one of those resailers. I was lucky to get my version from a former university EE department.
2006-09-03 by jdizzlemynizzal
--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "derekhawkins" <eldata@...> wrote: > > >As far as the reluctance to make my own library parts, yes that has > >a little to do with it as well as the difficulty for me to make the > >physical measurements needed for a tube socket that will work in a > >PCB program. > > Heard you loud and clear. Nobody wants to reinvent the wheel but > sooner or later making your own parts from time to time becomes > necessary. > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "adastra_2001" > <adastra_2001@> wrote: > > > Yeah i'm always having to create my own libraries, danm companies want 7,000 from you so that you can retrieve databases that you can create on your own for free. Then again time is money.
2006-09-03 by Leon Heller
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From: "adastra_2001" <adastra_2001@...> To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: tubes > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "derekhawkins" <eldata@...> > wrote: >> >> >Are there any free or low cost (<$300) PCB/Schematic >> >programs that have part libraries of tubes? >> >> Looks like there are some Eagle shared user tube related libraries >> here; >> >> http://www.cadsoftusa.com/download.htm >> >> Follow the Libraries link. >> >> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "adastra_2001" >> <adastra_2001@> wrote: >> > >>I thank you for the link regarding Eagle Libraries. I have > downloaded them and I will try them. As far as the reluctance to make > my own library parts, yes that has a little to do with it as well as > the difficulty for me to make the physical measurements needed for a > tube socket that will work in a PCB program. You should be able to find the relevant dimensions for standard valve sockets without too many problems. Leon -- Leon Heller, G1HSM SV1000S motorcycle leon.heller@... http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller
2006-09-04 by YD
--- Leon Heller <leon.heller@...> wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "adastra_2001" <adastra_2001@...> > To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 5:18 PM > Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: tubes > > > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, > "derekhawkins" <eldata@...> > > wrote: > >> > >> >Are there any free or low cost (<$300) > PCB/Schematic > >> >programs that have part libraries of tubes? > >> > >> Looks like there are some Eagle shared user tube > related libraries > >> here; > >> > >> http://www.cadsoftusa.com/download.htm > >> > >> Follow the Libraries link. > >> > >> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, > "adastra_2001" > >> <adastra_2001@> wrote: > >> > > >>I thank you for the link regarding Eagle > Libraries. I have > > downloaded them and I will try them. As far as the > reluctance to make > > my own library parts, yes that has a little to do > with it as well as > > the difficulty for me to make the physical > measurements needed for a > > tube socket that will work in a PCB program. > > You should be able to find the relevant dimensions > for standard valve > sockets without too many problems. > > Leon Are there still sockets for PCBs? All I find around here are chassis mounts. The only time I ever made a tube equipment with a PCB I just placed the connecting pads at the edge. Another possibility would have been making the mounting hole in the PCB and surround it with the pads. - YD. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
2006-09-04 by adastra_2001
--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, YD <yd_br@...> wrote: > > > > --- Leon Heller <leon.heller@...> wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "adastra_2001" <adastra_2001@...> > > To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 5:18 PM > > Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: tubes > > > > > > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, > > "derekhawkins" <eldata@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> >Are there any free or low cost (<$300) > > PCB/Schematic > > >> >programs that have part libraries of tubes? > > >> > > >> Looks like there are some Eagle shared user tube > > related libraries > > >> here; > > >> > > >> http://www.cadsoftusa.com/download.htm > > >> > > >> Follow the Libraries link. > > >> > > >> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, > > "adastra_2001" > > >> <adastra_2001@> wrote: > > >> > > > >>I thank you for the link regarding Eagle > > Libraries. I have > > > downloaded them and I will try them. As far as the > > reluctance to make > > > my own library parts, yes that has a little to do > > with it as well as > > > the difficulty for me to make the physical > > measurements needed for a > > > tube socket that will work in a PCB program. > > > > You should be able to find the relevant dimensions > > for standard valve > > sockets without too many problems. > > > > Leon > > Are there still sockets for PCBs? All I find around > here are chassis mounts. The only time I ever made a > tube equipment with a PCB I just placed the connecting > pads at the edge. Another possibility would have been > making the mounting hole in the PCB and surround it > with the pads. > > - YD.> yes tube sockets for PCB are still available. Both 9 pin and Octal. Try: http://www.partsconnexion.com/catalog/tubesockets.html other places have them too.
2006-09-04 by jdizzlemynizzal
--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, YD <yd_br@...> wrote: > > > > --- Leon Heller <leon.heller@...> wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "adastra_2001" <adastra_2001@...> > > To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 5:18 PM > > Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: tubes > > > > > > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, > > "derekhawkins" <eldata@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> >Are there any free or low cost (<$300) > > PCB/Schematic > > >> >programs that have part libraries of tubes? > > >> > > >> Looks like there are some Eagle shared user tube > > related libraries > > >> here; > > >> > > >> http://www.cadsoftusa.com/download.htm > > >> > > >> Follow the Libraries link. > > >> > > >> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, > > "adastra_2001" > > >> <adastra_2001@> wrote: > > >> > > > >>I thank you for the link regarding Eagle > > Libraries. I have > > > downloaded them and I will try them. As far as the > > reluctance to make > > > my own library parts, yes that has a little to do > > with it as well as > > > the difficulty for me to make the physical > > measurements needed for a > > > tube socket that will work in a PCB program. > > > > You should be able to find the relevant dimensions > > for standard valve > > sockets without too many problems. > > > > Leon > > Are there still sockets for PCBs? All I find around > here are chassis mounts. The only time I ever made a > tube equipment with a PCB I just placed the connecting > pads at the edge. Another possibility would have been > making the mounting hole in the PCB and surround it > with the pads. > > - YD. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > I remember seeing a webpage site that used hot glue to make a socket for a tube. Basically he made the socket by getting a plastic cube cutting drilled holes for leads and then placed the tube into the cube and pord hot glue in. He then removed the cube, and sucesfully made a really crappy tube socket.
2006-09-04 by jdizzlemynizzal
--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "adastra_2001" <adastra_2001@...> wrote: > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "derekhawkins" <eldata@> > wrote: > > > > >Are there any free or low cost (<$300) PCB/Schematic > > >programs that have part libraries of tubes? > > > > Looks like there are some Eagle shared user tube related libraries > > here; > > > > http://www.cadsoftusa.com/download.htm > > > > Follow the Libraries link. > > > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "adastra_2001" > > <adastra_2001@> wrote: > > > > >I thank you for the link regarding Eagle Libraries. I have > downloaded them and I will try them. As far as the reluctance to make > my own library parts, yes that has a little to do with it as well as > the difficulty for me to make the physical measurements needed for a > tube socket that will work in a PCB program. > Simple measurement technique: Take a bottle of ink and place on leads of tube. Take a piece of paper and blot the tube down on to it. Creating the part really isnt that hard its just annoying, which is the next step: Take whatever you use to measure angle degrees and write down the degrees. Then measure the radius of 1 pin on one side to the other side. Enter the left pin as negative and the right pin as positive. Remember to set the origin as 0,0 for a the middle, invisible, refrence pin. A free program called ProgeCAD will let you enter data like this, just remember to enter a negative angle when going clockwise. Save as DXF or whatever and then import. Its REAL simple and will save you 300 dollars. The whole process should take only about 30 minutes. If you get the numbers for me I could make the DXF file for you (free), then you will just have to import it to whatever program your using.
2006-09-04 by adastra_2001
--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "jdizzlemynizzal" <jdizzlemynizzal@...> wrote: > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "adastra_2001" > <adastra_2001@> wrote: > > > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "derekhawkins" <eldata@> > > wrote: > > > > > > >Are there any free or low cost (<$300) PCB/Schematic > > > >programs that have part libraries of tubes? > > > > > > Looks like there are some Eagle shared user tube related libraries > > > here; > > > > > > http://www.cadsoftusa.com/download.htm > > > > > > Follow the Libraries link. > > > > > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "adastra_2001" > > > <adastra_2001@> wrote: > > > > > > >I thank you for the link regarding Eagle Libraries. I have > > downloaded them and I will try them. As far as the reluctance to make > > my own library parts, yes that has a little to do with it as well as > > the difficulty for me to make the physical measurements needed for a > > tube socket that will work in a PCB program. > > > > Simple measurement technique: > Take a bottle of ink and place on leads of tube. Take a piece of paper > and blot the tube down on to it. Creating the part really isnt that > hard its just annoying, which is the next step: Take whatever you use > to measure angle degrees and write down the degrees. Then measure the > radius of 1 pin on one side to the other side. Enter the left pin as > negative and the right pin as positive. Remember to set the origin as > 0,0 for a the middle, invisible, refrence pin. A free program called > ProgeCAD will let you enter data like this, just remember to enter a > negative angle when going clockwise. Save as DXF or whatever and then > import. Its REAL simple and will save you 300 dollars. The whole > process should take only about 30 minutes. > If you get the numbers for me I could make the DXF file for you > (free), then you will just have to import it to whatever program your > using. > Thanks for the method. I will keep this email. At present, I don't have a set of calipers (my boss lost the one I loaned him) and I need to order more of the sockets.
2006-09-04 by \M
One problem I feel when working with PCB CAD-programs is that you can easily operate and design in an X-Y plane but tubesockets and ICs in TO5 cans have their connections rather polar oriented with a radius and a fixed angle between the pins. And I have never seen any program that fixes that. /M PS Even got PCB sockets for the odd 12-pin compactron tubes. On the other hand I always do my tubeprojects P2P between sockets and solder stands. > Simple measurement technique: Take a bottle of ink and place on leads of tube. Take a piece of paper and blot the tube down on to it. Creating the part really isnt that hard its just annoying, which is the next step: Take whatever you use to measure angle degrees and write down the degrees. Then measure the radius of 1 pin on one side to the other side. Enter the left pin as negative and the right pin as positive. Remember to set the origin as 0,0 for a the middle, invisible, refrence pin. A free program called ProgeCAD will let you enter data like this, just remember to enter a negative angle when going clockwise. Save as DXF or whatever and then import. Its REAL simple and will save you 300 dollars. The whole process should take only about 30 minutes. If you get the numbers for me I could make the DXF file for you (free), then you will just have to import it to whatever program your using. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-09-04 by Stefan Trethan
On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 10:02:54 +0200, \M <yahell@...> wrote: > One problem I feel when working with PCB CAD-programs is that you can > easily > operate and design in an X-Y plane but tubesockets and ICs in TO5 cans > have their > connections rather polar oriented with a radius and a fixed angle > between the pins. > And I have never seen any program that fixes that. Target has tools to place elements in round patterns, you specify number, diameter, angle etc... In most programs you may find a function to rotate elements a certain number of degrees. That can be used to generate points by rotating several lines and a circle to give the radius, although here you still need to place components manually. You can also try to create a pad component with the reference point radius away and then placing several and editing the orientation to the proper degrees, if that works in your software. Last but not least you could always convert the polar coordinates into x/y via formula or a pocket calculator. A spreadsheet program ought to help with this. ST