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Finally - next stop: large PCB inkjet printing

Finally - next stop: large PCB inkjet printing

2006-07-07 by Stefan Trethan

Just received the spongeless carts with autoreset chips from ireland.  
21eur for the whole set (14eur plus shipping as registered letter). Even  
came with 4 funnly large diameter syringes i'm probably not going to use  
and 4 blunt needles. I'm very positive about the place where i ordered  
(<http://www.4-u-all.com>), payment via paypal worked although i do not  
have a verified account as they state is required. Ordered on the weekend  
and was here Thursday. Only thing strange about it is they put the  
bubblewrap around the outside of the box, must be an irish thing or  
something ;-). The carts did rattle around inside, but the box was still  
in good shape.

Anyway, i'm glad now i will not have to worry about refilling or stupid  
chips any more, and tomorrow i will _finally_ be making the first large  
PCBs.

I really hope i can retire the laminator now, i had to borrow the large  
solid state relay for the spot welder and the one it botched in to make a  
few PCBs is a serious safety hazard...

ST

Re: Finally - next stop: large PCB inkjet printing

2006-07-07 by lcdpublishing

Good luck Stefan!!!

Please post some photos of your progress and achievments.  I have 
out-of-town guests in for the weekend so my ink-jet nightmare will 
be on hold for another couple weeks or so.

I am still upset about that jam-up - dumb,dumb,dumb.



--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Trethan" 
<stefan_trethan@...> wrote:
>
> Just received the spongeless carts with autoreset chips from 
ireland.  
> 21eur for the whole set (14eur plus shipping as registered 
letter). Even  
> came with 4 funnly large diameter syringes i'm probably not going 
to use  
> and 4 blunt needles. I'm very positive about the place where i 
ordered  
> (<http://www.4-u-all.com>), payment via paypal worked although i 
do not  
> have a verified account as they state is required. Ordered on the 
weekend  
> and was here Thursday. Only thing strange about it is they put 
the  
> bubblewrap around the outside of the box, must be an irish thing 
or  
> something ;-). The carts did rattle around inside, but the box was 
still  
> in good shape.
> 
> Anyway, i'm glad now i will not have to worry about refilling or 
stupid  
> chips any more, and tomorrow i will _finally_ be making the first 
large  
> PCBs.
> 
> I really hope i can retire the laminator now, i had to borrow the 
large  
> solid state relay for the spot welder and the one it botched in to 
make a  
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> few PCBs is a serious safety hazard...
> 
> ST
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Finally - next stop: large PCB inkjet printing

2006-07-08 by Stefan Trethan

I put the thing together today, the printer works fine now, currently  
fiddling with the settings.
Etched a test PCB early on, but could already see there were problems on  
the printout.
Some nozzles were not firing, i can see breaks where they where. Also i  
had some significant puddling of ink on the ground area.

I've cleaned the head, all nozzles are firing properly now, but i'm still  
struggling with the puddling.
Tried all 15 possible combinations of paper type and print quality, while  
the results seem to vary there's some puddling on every setting.

The brightness/contrast settings do not seem to work to adjust the ink  
amount. No change between 0 and +2, and over that there is no ink at all.  
Maybe i would need to use a grey image or something instead of black.

The puddling may not be a problem for my normal PCBs, i made kind of a  
challenging test pattern. The larger structures of the main text came out  
well.

Well, some more tinkering needed to get it just right. But i could do a  
PCB with it right now, and i'm sure after fine-tuning it will be much  
better than the best toner transfer.

Also, a lot of work is needed on the curing issue. I think i can use that  
old clothes iron upside down for that. I have calibrated the dial in  
degrees some time ago. my gut feeling is the curing is only about driving  
all the water out and not very critical, but i guess that is to be seen. I  
expect tests with a few different temperatures and curing times are  
required.

Oh, one more thing, the transparency setting does not use any black cart  
ink at all. Only color ink. Some of the pther paper settings have a black  
ink only option.

Chris, about the paper sensor: I think i know how you can fix that, it got  
into the same situation.
My solution is to mount the paper sensor so it will "see" the carrier  
plate directly by mounting it so the edge passes through. But the printer  
expects a certain time delay from when it starts eating paper to when the  
sensor should see it. So i cut out a notch from the side of the carrier  
that will alow about 6cm of feed before the sensor is activated. The  
procedure is to put the leading edge of the carrier into the printer  
manually so the feed roller grabs it, before you send the print command.
I experimented for the ideal distance between sensor and the end of the  
notch, and found the printer is quite tolerant (maybe from 2cm to 10cm or  
so will work. Simply stick some tape to the side of a sheet and manually  
feed it varying distances before starting the printing process.

ST


On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 23:45:30 +0200, lcdpublishing  
<lcdpublishing@...> wrote:
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> Good luck Stefan!!!
> Please post some photos of your progress and achievments.  I have
> out-of-town guests in for the weekend so my ink-jet nightmare will
> be on hold for another couple weeks or so.
> I am still upset about that jam-up - dumb,dumb,dumb.

Re: Finally - next stop: large PCB inkjet printing

2006-07-09 by lcdpublishing

Hot dog, sounds like you are making some great progress!  

The puddling is a very strange problem I don't understand yet.  With 
the crude tinkering I did with the inks a few months back, I recall 
seeing that problem.  But it seems as though the puddling looks more 
like "Fish-eyes" that are seen when paint is applied over a surface 
with silicone contaminates on it.  So, I am not sure it's the amount 
of ink causing that puddling as it may be a contaminate causing it.  

But in any case, I saw it with my crude tests, I believe Steve ran 
into that problem, and now you.  If it is a contaminate of some 
sort, it is common to all of us.

Thanks for the suggestions on that paper sensor.  I will have to dig 
out that other printer and give it a go again. 




--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Trethan" 
<stefan_trethan@...> wrote:
>
> I put the thing together today, the printer works fine now, 
currently  
> fiddling with the settings.
> Etched a test PCB early on, but could already see there were 
problems on  
> the printout.
> Some nozzles were not firing, i can see breaks where they where. 
Also i  
> had some significant puddling of ink on the ground area.
> 
> I've cleaned the head, all nozzles are firing properly now, but 
i'm still  
> struggling with the puddling.
> Tried all 15 possible combinations of paper type and print 
quality, while  
> the results seem to vary there's some puddling on every setting.
> 
> The brightness/contrast settings do not seem to work to adjust the 
ink  
> amount. No change between 0 and +2, and over that there is no ink 
at all.  
> Maybe i would need to use a grey image or something instead of 
black.
> 
> The puddling may not be a problem for my normal PCBs, i made kind 
of a  
> challenging test pattern. The larger structures of the main text 
came out  
> well.
> 
> Well, some more tinkering needed to get it just right. But i could 
do a  
> PCB with it right now, and i'm sure after fine-tuning it will be 
much  
> better than the best toner transfer.
> 
> Also, a lot of work is needed on the curing issue. I think i can 
use that  
> old clothes iron upside down for that. I have calibrated the dial 
in  
> degrees some time ago. my gut feeling is the curing is only about 
driving  
> all the water out and not very critical, but i guess that is to be 
seen. I  
> expect tests with a few different temperatures and curing times 
are  
> required.
> 
> Oh, one more thing, the transparency setting does not use any 
black cart  
> ink at all. Only color ink. Some of the pther paper settings have 
a black  
> ink only option.
> 
> Chris, about the paper sensor: I think i know how you can fix 
that, it got  
> into the same situation.
> My solution is to mount the paper sensor so it will "see" the 
carrier  
> plate directly by mounting it so the edge passes through. But the 
printer  
> expects a certain time delay from when it starts eating paper to 
when the  
> sensor should see it. So i cut out a notch from the side of the 
carrier  
> that will alow about 6cm of feed before the sensor is activated. 
The  
> procedure is to put the leading edge of the carrier into the 
printer  
> manually so the feed roller grabs it, before you send the print 
command.
> I experimented for the ideal distance between sensor and the end 
of the  
> notch, and found the printer is quite tolerant (maybe from 2cm to 
10cm or  
> so will work. Simply stick some tape to the side of a sheet and 
manually  
> feed it varying distances before starting the printing process.
> 
> ST
> 
> 
> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 23:45:30 +0200, lcdpublishing  
> <lcdpublishing@...> wrote:
> 
> > Good luck Stefan!!!
> > Please post some photos of your progress and achievments.  I have
> > out-of-town guests in for the weekend so my ink-jet nightmare 
will
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> > be on hold for another couple weeks or so.
> > I am still upset about that jam-up - dumb,dumb,dumb.
>

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