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Please do NOT start a new thread by hitting REPLY

Please do NOT start a new thread by hitting REPLY

2006-06-06 by Steve

This is an example of what happens when you use an old message and hit
"reply":

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs/message/13935?threaded=1&var=1>

Even changing the subject line completely and erasing the old message,
there are parameters in the header that Yahoogroups uses to decide
which thread it belongs in.

It is simple enough in -any- email program or web-based email to
simply save the email address with a nickname so you don't have to
type in the entire email address each time.

This is even more important with the changes that Yahoogroups have
made lately. Threading is much easier to follow, the search engine is
much better.

But using an old message to start a new thread seriously screws this up.

Steve Greenfield
Listowner Homebrew_PCBs

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Please do NOT start a new thread by hitting REPLY

2006-06-07 by Lez

the way yahoo groups are going I dont think it will be long before I stop
using them altogether, lots of other groups I'm in use vbulletin, I think it
has to be one of the best ways just its web access not email access, but it
does kind of remind me of running bbs software in the good old 14k and 288
days......

Problem is I dont know of a goup like this thats setup anywhere with such an
interface.


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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Please do NOT start a new thread by hitting REPLY

2006-06-07 by Stefan Trethan

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:37:42 +0200, Lez <lez.briddon@...> wrote:

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> the way yahoo groups are going I dont think it will be long before I stop
> using them altogether, lots of other groups I'm in use vbulletin, I
> think it
> has to be one of the best ways just its web access not email access, but
> it
> does kind of remind me of running bbs software in the good old 14k and
> 288
> days......
> Problem is I dont know of a goup like this thats setup anywhere with
> such an
> interface.


some of us simply prefer email over the forum style.

ST

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Please do NOT start a new thread by hitting REPLY

2006-06-07 by Lez

On 07/06/06, Stefan Trethan <stefan_trethan@...> wrote:
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> On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:37:42 +0200, Lez <lez.briddon@...> wrote:
>
> > the way yahoo groups are going I dont think it will be long before I stop
> > using them altogether, lots of other groups I'm in use vbulletin, I
> > think it
> > has to be one of the best ways just its web access not email access, but
> > it
> > does kind of remind me of running bbs software in the good old 14k and
> > 288
> > days......
> > Problem is I dont know of a goup like this thats setup anywhere with
> > such an
> > interface.
>
>
> some of us simply prefer email over the forum style.
>
> ST

and I bet they are as many that dont, the problem is not with
online/email style par-se, its yahoo that keeps 'improving' things for
us without choice.

I am now getting upteen lines of crap on the bottom of every email,
and its annoying to have to page down through it all.

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Please do NOT start a new thread by hitting REPLY

2006-06-07 by Philip Pemberton

Lez wrote:
> and I bet they are as many that dont, the problem is not with
> online/email style par-se, its yahoo that keeps 'improving' things for
> us without choice.
>
> I am now getting upteen lines of crap on the bottom of every email,
> and its annoying to have to page down through it all.

I'm the sysadmin at a webhosting company, so if it's getting that annoying,
I'd be happy to set up a mailing list on one of my servers. Completely free of
charge, no adverts *ever*, web-accessible and downloadable message archives.
Could even rig up some little database scripts for "paper X works with X
printer for toner transfer" stuff, and put a photo gallery (Coppermine or
Gallery) on there too.

--
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Please do NOT start a new thread by hitting REPLY

2006-06-07 by Stefan Trethan

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 11:33:02 +0200, Lez <lez.briddon@...> wrote:

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> and I bet they are as many that dont, the problem is not with
> online/email style par-se, its yahoo that keeps 'improving' things for
> us without choice.
> I am now getting upteen lines of crap on the bottom of every email,
> and its annoying to have to page down through it all.


Since it's on the bottom, why not simply _not_ page down through it like
everyone else?

ST

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Please do NOT start a new thread by hitting REPLY

2006-06-07 by Leon Heller

----- Original Message -----
From: Lez
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Please do NOT start a new thread by hitting
REPLY


On 07/06/06, Stefan Trethan <stefan_trethan@...> wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:37:42 +0200, Lez <lez.briddon@...>
> wrote:
>
> > the way yahoo groups are going I dont think it will be long before I
> > stop
> > using them altogether, lots of other groups I'm in use vbulletin, I
> > think it
> > has to be one of the best ways just its web access not email access, but
> > it
> > does kind of remind me of running bbs software in the good old 14k and
> > 288
> > days......
> > Problem is I dont know of a goup like this thats setup anywhere with
> > such an
> > interface.
>
>
> some of us simply prefer email over the forum style.
>
> ST

and I bet they are as many that dont, the problem is not with
online/email style par-se, its yahoo that keeps 'improving' things for
us without choice.

I am now getting upteen lines of crap on the bottom of every email,
and its annoying to have to page down through it all.

It is very irritating. I use OE and have to change format to plain text to
get rid of the HTML rubbish, and then don't get the >s marking the original
text.

Leon
--
Leon Heller, G1HSM
leon.heller@...
http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Please do NOT start a new thread by hitting REPLY

2006-06-07 by Philip Pemberton

Leon Heller wrote:
> It is very irritating. I use OE and have to change format to plain text to
> get rid of the HTML rubbish, and then don't get the >s marking the original
> text.

Sounds like you need to install OE-QuoteFix
(<http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/>) - that fixes most of
OE's quoting style issues IME.

--
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philpem@... | Cheetah: Athlon64 3200+ A8VDeluxeV2 512M+100G
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Please do NOT start a new thread by hitting REPLY

2006-06-07 by Stefan Trethan

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:07:58 +0200, Leon Heller
<leon.heller@...> wrote:

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>
> It is very irritating. I use OE and have to change format to plain text
> to
> get rid of the HTML rubbish, and then don't get the >s marking the
> original
> text.
> Leon


Sounds to me like you are using the wrong software...

ST

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Please do NOT start a new thread by hitting REPLY

2006-06-07 by Leon Heller

Leon Heller, G1HSM
leon.heller@...
http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller
----- Original Message -----
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From: Philip Pemberton
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Please do NOT start a new thread by hitting
REPLY


Leon Heller wrote:
> It is very irritating. I use OE and have to change format to plain text to
> get rid of the HTML rubbish, and then don't get the >s marking the
> original
> text.

Sounds like you need to install OE-QuoteFix
(<http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/>) - that fixes most of
OE's quoting style issues IME.

Tried it, but it didn't fix your post. 8-(

Leon

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Please do NOT start a new thread by hitting REPLY

2006-06-07 by Leon Heller

Stefan Trethan wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:07:58 +0200, Leon Heller
> <leon.heller@...> wrote:
>
>>
>> It is very irritating. I use OE and have to change format to plain
>> text to
>> get rid of the HTML rubbish, and then don't get the >s marking the
>> original
>> text.
>> Leon
>
>
> Sounds to me like you are using the wrong software...

It usually works OK, for instance it handled yours alright. The problem is
with people using HTML for emails.

Leon

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Please do NOT start a new thread by hitting REPLY

2006-06-07 by Stefan Trethan

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:20:53 +0200, Lez <lez.briddon@...> wrote:

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> I use google's online mail, so I have to page down to get to the next
> message, and I find it annoying, thats all.


I tried, but couldn't find how gmail would force one to scroll down all
the way?

You shouldn't see it, but all my mail is routed through gmail too to make
use of the spam filter and as a backup storage. But i use Opera M2 to read
it, usually, because the web interface is rather cumbersome.

ST

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Please do NOT start a new thread by hitting REPLY

2006-06-07 by Les Newell

It is possible to run a combined web interface and email list using
phpBB. It isn't done very often because many bulletin boards are
advertising sponsored and the email interface won't show the adverts.

You can even link it with a Yahoo group to provide a much more pleasant
web interface to the group. However this takes a bit of fiddling around
to get it working correctly. I use it to run a support group for my CAM
software.

Les

Lez wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> the way yahoo groups are going I dont think it will be long before I stop
> using them altogether, lots of other groups I'm in use vbulletin, I think it
> has to be one of the best ways just its web access not email access, but it
> does kind of remind me of running bbs software in the good old 14k and 288
> days......
>
> Problem is I dont know of a goup like this thats setup anywhere with such an
> interface.
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Please do NOT start a new thread by hitting REPLY

2006-06-08 by Herbert E. Plett

--- Leon Heller <leon.heller@...> wrote:
>... The problem is with people using HTML for emails.
>

oh yes...
that's becoming a nasty habit, as repulsive as spam!

in chat and email uppercase means shouting, html is acting like a clown, none
of them is nice in a 'normal voice' conversation...


mailing lists are like chat, but delayed, not real-time.



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Re: Please do NOT start a new thread by hitting REPLY

2006-06-08 by Steve

I have already registered homebrewpcbs.com with the intention of
starting up a web board.

It appears my ISP already has phpBB installed. Now it becomes a
question of bandwidth.

Someone here was going to talk to me off list about this, I got
distracted from the task and no longer recall who it was... send me an
email off list.

Thanks,
Steve Greenfield

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--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Les Newell <lesnewell@...> wrote:
>
> It is possible to run a combined web interface and email list using
> phpBB. It isn't done very often because many bulletin boards are
> advertising sponsored and the email interface won't show the adverts.
>
> You can even link it with a Yahoo group to provide a much more pleasant
> web interface to the group. However this takes a bit of fiddling around
> to get it working correctly. I use it to run a support group for my CAM
> software.
>