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Newb Catch-Up

2006-05-30 by drachels1@nc.rr.com

I found this group last night while looking for ways to use a pen
plotter to apply etch resist to PCBs. It appears from my limited
perspective that you guys have found a way to use an inkjet for this
and much more? Would someone be so kind as to point me in the right
direction to learn how you are doing this. This will solve a number
of issues for me. Thank you!!!!

DRR

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Newb Catch-Up

2006-05-30 by Stefan Trethan

On Tue, 30 May 2006 21:12:00 +0200, <drachels1@...> wrote:

> I found this group last night while looking for ways to use a pen
> plotter to apply etch resist to PCBs. It appears from my limited
> perspective that you guys have found a way to use an inkjet for this
> and much more? Would someone be so kind as to point me in the right
> direction to learn how you are doing this. This will solve a number
> of issues for me. Thank you!!!!
> DRR


The established and most used methods currently are tiner transfer and
photo process.
Inkjet printing is something we are still working on, but i wouldn't see
why someone couldn't jump right into it.

It's basically all about the ink, Volkan found one that works, MISPRO
yellow, at inksupply.com.
It's also about the head, you need a newer printer with many nozzles. See
previous posts for example models, but all the newer ones with variable
drop size should be the right kind..
You basically figure out a way how to feed the PCBs through the printer
and you also need to cure the ink before etching with heat, a stove plate
works, when it starts to turn brown it is enough.

As you see, there isn't terribly much known about this so far. But i'm
confident everyone can duplicate it. I took me so long because i had the
wrong printer at first. With the right printer, and the right ink in the
cartridge, it basically worked within 5 minutes.

ST

Re: Newb Catch-Up

2006-05-30 by dsv1486

do the other colored inks work as I have ordered the 4 bottle set of
the mispro inks 2oz size.

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Trethan"
<stefan_trethan@...> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 30 May 2006 21:12:00 +0200, <drachels1@...> wrote:
>
> > I found this group last night while looking for ways to use a pen
> > plotter to apply etch resist to PCBs. It appears from my limited
> > perspective that you guys have found a way to use an inkjet for
this
> > and much more? Would someone be so kind as to point me in the
right
> > direction to learn how you are doing this. This will solve a
number
> > of issues for me. Thank you!!!!
> > DRR
>
>
> The established and most used methods currently are tiner transfer
and
> photo process.
> Inkjet printing is something we are still working on, but i
wouldn't see
> why someone couldn't jump right into it.
>
> It's basically all about the ink, Volkan found one that works,
MISPRO
> yellow, at inksupply.com.
> It's also about the head, you need a newer printer with many
nozzles. See
> previous posts for example models, but all the newer ones with
variable
> drop size should be the right kind..
> You basically figure out a way how to feed the PCBs through the
printer
> and you also need to cure the ink before etching with heat, a
stove plate
> works, when it starts to turn brown it is enough.
>
> As you see, there isn't terribly much known about this so far. But
i'm
> confident everyone can duplicate it. I took me so long because i
had the
> wrong printer at first. With the right printer, and the right ink
in the
> cartridge, it basically worked within 5 minutes.
>
> ST
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Newb Catch-Up

2006-05-30 by Volkan Sahin

Yellow is the best magenta is also ok but forget cyan. If your black ink is color black (mixture of yellow, magenta, cyan) it can also be etch resistant but don't expect same performance as yellow one.
Volkan

----- Original Message ----
From: dsv1486 <darrell.vandenberg@...>
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 2:03:36 PM
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Newb Catch-Up

do the other colored inks work as I have ordered the 4 bottle set of
the mispro inks 2oz size.

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Trethan"
<stefan_trethan@...> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 30 May 2006 21:12:00 +0200, <drachels1@...> wrote:
>
> > I found this group last night while looking for ways to use a pen
> > plotter to apply etch resist to PCBs. It appears from my limited
> > perspective that you guys have found a way to use an inkjet for
this
> > and much more? Would someone be so kind as to point me in the
right
> > direction to learn how you are doing this. This will solve a
number
> > of issues for me. Thank you!!!!
> > DRR
>
>
> The established and most used methods currently are tiner transfer
and
> photo process.
> Inkjet printing is something we are still working on, but i
wouldn't see
> why someone couldn't jump right into it.
>
> It's basically all about the ink, Volkan found one that works,
MISPRO
> yellow, at inksupply.com.
> It's also about the head, you need a newer printer with many
nozzles. See
> previous posts for example models, but all the newer ones with
variable
> drop size should be the right kind..
> You basically figure out a way how to feed the PCBs through the
printer
> and you also need to cure the ink before etching with heat, a
stove plate
> works, when it starts to turn brown it is enough.
>
> As you see, there isn't terribly much known about this so far. But
i'm
> confident everyone can duplicate it. I took me so long because i
had the
> wrong printer at first. With the right printer, and the right ink
in the
> cartridge, it basically worked within 5 minutes.
>
> ST
>







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[Homebrew_PCBs] RE : Newb Catch-Up

2006-05-30 by Robert Hedan

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com] De la part de Stefan Trethan
> Envoyé : mai 30 2006 16:36
> À : Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> Objet : Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Newb Catch-Up
>
>
>
> The established and most used methods currently are tiner
> transfer and
> photo process.
...
>
> ST


Don't get confused with Stefan's Austrian accent. That's his way of saying
toner.

Robert
:P

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Newb Catch-Up

2006-05-30 by Stefan Trethan

On Tue, 30 May 2006 23:10:21 +0200, Volkan Sahin <vsahin@...>
wrote:

> Yellow is the best magenta is also ok but forget cyan. If your black ink
> is color black (mixture of yellow, magenta, cyan) it can also be etch
> resistant but don't expect same performance as yellow one.
> Volkan


Yellow seems much more like a laquer, while black seems more like pigments
without much resin. Dunno why but that's how it is.

BTW. i left the cheap aftermarket ink in the color carts. When the printer
starts mixing inks in some settings the blue is added to the black. This
ink mix is all runny and beads up. The mispro ink seems really a key
factor. Let's just hope they don't change the formulation, ever, or stop
selling it.

I just had a look at the C84 printer and removed all the pizza wheels. I
saw that it should be easy to do whatever one wants to this printer. The
paper drive stepper is linked to the vacuum cleaner pump by that main
drive shaft/roller (the one with the rough coating). Nothing else of any
significance is driven by the paper drive stepper. So the pump could be
disengaged completely and either replaced with a manual pump or some other
drive added (worst case just buy another c84 for 1eur and hack the motor
and gears to duplicate it). This would allow to have the drive stepper
only used to drive the paper, not in reverse mode for the pump. If one
wants to have a carriage engaged with the roller at all times it should be
possible to break connection to the wires of the stepper via transistors,
so it is only activated when you want to forward the carriage. Or maybe a
magnetic clutch will be easier to fit, i have some from a copier.
There seems to be only one lever operated optical sensor for the paper
detection on the back.

ST

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Newb Catch-Up - What's a Newb? - Quality Subject lines

2006-05-31 by Jim Larsen - AL7FS

"Newb Catch-Up" - What's a Newb?

I was initially confused (tongue-in-cheek) by the new Homebrew term "Newb".
Then I realized the term had nothing to do with the Subject matter in the body
of the message. The topic is an interesting one but let's please try to use
subject lines that can later be used to scan for useful information. It
raises the value of the list and messages immeasurably.

If an initial question or comment has a subject line that doesn't match the
body info, consider changing the subject line to something that does match.

Thank you.

73, Jim
Jim Larsen
Anchorage, Alaska
http://www.AL7FS.us/

Re: Newb Catch-Up

2006-05-31 by dsv1486

Thanks for the info, the people at inksupply.com are great they let
me change my order to a 4oz bottle of yellow ink. I also purchased a
lexmark z22 and 3200 at a thrift store for about 3 dollars each, I
guess this will become my testbed for direct printing. what do you
guys think about the lexmark route??



--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "dsv1486"
<darrell.vandenberg@...> wrote:
>
> do the other colored inks work as I have ordered the 4 bottle set
of
> the mispro inks 2oz size.
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Trethan"
> <stefan_trethan@> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 30 May 2006 21:12:00 +0200, <drachels1@> wrote:
> >
> > > I found this group last night while looking for ways to use a
pen
> > > plotter to apply etch resist to PCBs. It appears from my
limited
> > > perspective that you guys have found a way to use an inkjet
for
> this
> > > and much more? Would someone be so kind as to point me in the
> right
> > > direction to learn how you are doing this. This will solve a
> number
> > > of issues for me. Thank you!!!!
> > > DRR
> >
> >
> > The established and most used methods currently are tiner
transfer
> and
> > photo process.
> > Inkjet printing is something we are still working on, but i
> wouldn't see
> > why someone couldn't jump right into it.
> >
> > It's basically all about the ink, Volkan found one that works,
> MISPRO
> > yellow, at inksupply.com.
> > It's also about the head, you need a newer printer with many
> nozzles. See
> > previous posts for example models, but all the newer ones with
> variable
> > drop size should be the right kind..
> > You basically figure out a way how to feed the PCBs through the
> printer
> > and you also need to cure the ink before etching with heat, a
> stove plate
> > works, when it starts to turn brown it is enough.
> >
> > As you see, there isn't terribly much known about this so far.
But
> i'm
> > confident everyone can duplicate it. I took me so long because i
> had the
> > wrong printer at first. With the right printer, and the right
ink
> in the
> > cartridge, it basically worked within 5 minutes.
> >
> > ST
> >
>

Re: Newb Catch-Up

2006-05-31 by dsv1486

Thanks for the info, the people at inksupply.com are great they let
me change my order to a 4oz bottle of yellow ink. I also purchased a
lexmark z22 and 3200 at a thrift store for about 3 dollars each, I
guess this will become my testbed for direct printing. what do you
guys think about the lexmark route??



--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "dsv1486"
<darrell.vandenberg@...> wrote:
>
> do the other colored inks work as I have ordered the 4 bottle set
of
> the mispro inks 2oz size.
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Trethan"
> <stefan_trethan@> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 30 May 2006 21:12:00 +0200, <drachels1@> wrote:
> >
> > > I found this group last night while looking for ways to use a
pen
> > > plotter to apply etch resist to PCBs. It appears from my
limited
> > > perspective that you guys have found a way to use an inkjet
for
> this
> > > and much more? Would someone be so kind as to point me in the
> right
> > > direction to learn how you are doing this. This will solve a
> number
> > > of issues for me. Thank you!!!!
> > > DRR
> >
> >
> > The established and most used methods currently are tiner
transfer
> and
> > photo process.
> > Inkjet printing is something we are still working on, but i
> wouldn't see
> > why someone couldn't jump right into it.
> >
> > It's basically all about the ink, Volkan found one that works,
> MISPRO
> > yellow, at inksupply.com.
> > It's also about the head, you need a newer printer with many
> nozzles. See
> > previous posts for example models, but all the newer ones with
> variable
> > drop size should be the right kind..
> > You basically figure out a way how to feed the PCBs through the
> printer
> > and you also need to cure the ink before etching with heat, a
> stove plate
> > works, when it starts to turn brown it is enough.
> >
> > As you see, there isn't terribly much known about this so far.
But
> i'm
> > confident everyone can duplicate it. I took me so long because i
> had the
> > wrong printer at first. With the right printer, and the right
ink
> in the
> > cartridge, it basically worked within 5 minutes.
> >
> > ST
> >
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Newb Catch-Up

2006-05-31 by Stefan Trethan

On Wed, 31 May 2006 21:49:07 +0200, dsv1486 <darrell.vandenberg@...>
wrote:

> Thanks for the info, the people at inksupply.com are great they let
> me change my order to a 4oz bottle of yellow ink. I also purchased a
> lexmark z22 and 3200 at a thrift store for about 3 dollars each, I
> guess this will become my testbed for direct printing. what do you
> guys think about the lexmark route??


Bad idea, only the epsons are considered a good choice because they use a
piezo head. It may work, but i don't think anyone knows for sure.

ST

Re: Newb Catch-Up

2006-06-01 by Steve

No. That ink only works in Epson piezo print heads. All other desktop
printers are bubble jet.

Steve Greenfield


--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "dsv1486"
<darrell.vandenberg@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info, the people at inksupply.com are great they let
> me change my order to a 4oz bottle of yellow ink. I also purchased a
> lexmark z22 and 3200 at a thrift store for about 3 dollars each, I
> guess this will become my testbed for direct printing. what do you
> guys think about the lexmark route??

Non-Newb Catch-up-Was: Re: Newb Catch-Up

2006-06-01 by kilocycles

Stefan,
Please go back and take a look at my previous request in Message #
14557. I was in the hospital for awhile, and then had surgery a
couple of weeks ago, and I've missed the details on exactly which
Epson models are good for direct print, and which after-market ink you
used (same as Volkan's?).

I'd really appreciate it!

Thanks,
Ted

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Trethan"
<stefan_trethan@...> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 31 May 2006 21:49:07 +0200, dsv1486 <darrell.vandenberg@...>
> wrote:
>
---snip---

> Bad idea, only the epsons are considered a good choice because they
use a
> piezo head. It may work, but i don't think anyone knows for sure.
>
> ST
---snip---

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Non-Newb Catch-up-Was: Re: Newb Catch-Up

2006-06-01 by Stefan Trethan

Yes, i was going to answer that, started with it but never finished, so
far ;-)
Anyway, now is as good a time as any.

Ok, summing up..

We know the CX4200 works (Volkan). We know the C84 works (me).
We know the stylus color 600 doesn't work, because i tried it.

CX4200:
Monochrome head 90 nozzles, Color head 90 nozzles x 3 (CMY)
Variable Droplet Size: Six sizes as small as 3 picoliters
Up to 5760 x 1440 optimized dpi
Ink Type DURABrite® Ultra Inks

C84:
Monochrome head 180 nozzles,
Color head 59 nozzles x 3 (CMY)
Minimum Ink Droplet Size Variable Six sizes as small as 3 picoliters
Up to 5760 x 1440 optimized dpi
Ink Type DURABrite® Inks


Stylus color 600:
64 black nozzles, 32 per color.
1440x720 resolution.
does not work


The problem with the 600 was that there were individual lines printed, not
close enough together to form a closed surface.
I think the higher resolution/number of nozzles solves that in the newer
printers. Variable droplet size may be a factor too.
All the working printers used durabright ink, but i do not really think
this is a factor since all printers will take the mispro ink.
So IMO really any of the newer printers will work, maybe any that have
1440 dpi in y direction since that was where the gaps occured.


The ink i tried is MISPRO ink from inksupply.com. I only have yellow and
black, but i would agree yellow seems much better than black as a resist.
Mixing other mispro colors into yellow does not seem damaging, but i had
pelikan brand aftermarket ink in the blue cart and it would bead up on the
copper when mixed with yellow mispro (in the black head). I had injected
some distilled water into this blue cartridge (to refill) so maybe the ink
itself would not have had such a negative effect.

The ink must be cured. More research must be put into that (but nobody
seems to have volunteered to build that SMD/curing oven, or even make one
too and copy me the software, so...). So far i only put the PCB on the
electridc stove plate switched it on and waited for the ink to turn
slightly brownish. With a oven it will be easier to try different
temperatures and also it will be practical for 2-sided boards.

Anyway, i have not yet scanned the test PCB, it is a 1cm wide strip
reading @@@Homebrew_PCBs@@@ in a very small font. It isn't 100%perfect but
it's worlds better than the first toner transfer PCB i did. In one spot it
came out perfect, towards the end it shows some error but it think this is
where the small strip left the feed roller and was propelled forward. Also
the pizza wheels were still in but apparently didn't do much harm. I
bought USB extensions instead of USB cables so i'll have to move stuff
around to get that scanner up and running again. One would really need
larger boards to test and tweak this fully.
I've done some more work on the printer so that i can get larger boards
through, but i'd really like to raise the head also.

ST



On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 21:02:24 +0200, kilocycles <kilocycles@...>
wrote:

> Stefan,
> Please go back and take a look at my previous request in Message #
> 14557. I was in the hospital for awhile, and then had surgery a
> couple of weeks ago, and I've missed the details on exactly which
> Epson models are good for direct print, and which after-market ink you
> used (same as Volkan's?).
> I'd really appreciate it!
> Thanks,
> Ted

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Non-Newb Catch-up-Was: Re: Newb Catch-Up

2006-06-01 by Lez

> The ink must be cured. More research must be put into that (but nobody
> seems to have volunteered to build that SMD/curing oven, or even make one
> too and copy me the software, so...). So far i only put the PCB on the

I'm in the UK, about 6 month ago the market was swamped with little
ovens that had a heater top and bottom, I think they are radiant infra
red, about 800w(400w*2) on uk 220v

I think they would make good little pcb ovens, once a thermostat is added.

retail for about £10 / $20 in cut price stores and carboots(large
communial yard sale in a field)

RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Non-Newb Catch-up-Was: Re: Newb Catch-Up

2006-06-01 by Andrew Thornber

Got one!



Works well, but need to take the manual thermostat out as it is all over the
shop!





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To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Non-Newb Catch-up-Was: Re: Newb Catch-Up



> The ink must be cured. More research must be put into that (but nobody
> seems to have volunteered to build that SMD/curing oven, or even make one
> too and copy me the software, so...). So far i only put the PCB on the

I'm in the UK, about 6 month ago the market was swamped with little
ovens that had a heater top and bottom, I think they are radiant infra
red, about 800w(400w*2) on uk 220v

I think they would make good little pcb ovens, once a thermostat is added.

retail for about £10 / $20 in cut price stores and carboots(large
communial yard sale in a field)


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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Non-Newb Catch-up-Was: Re: Newb Catch-Up

2006-06-01 by Lez

> Got one!
>
>
>
> Works well, but need to take the manual thermostat out as it is all over the
> shop!
>

Ha you got the delux model, mine has no thermostat, just a heat
setting switch (400/800w) and a clockwork 60 minute timer.

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Non-Newb Catch-up-Was: Re: Newb Catch-Up

2006-06-01 by Stefan Trethan

On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 22:27:36 +0200, Lez <lez.briddon@...> wrote:

> I'm in the UK, about 6 month ago the market was swamped with little
> ovens that had a heater top and bottom, I think they are radiant infra
> red, about 800w(400w*2) on uk 220v
> I think they would make good little pcb ovens, once a thermostat is
> added.
> retail for about £10 / $20 in cut price stores and carboots(large
> communial yard sale in a field)


I got plenty of ovens in the attic just waiting to be converted!
But no time to make a controller.

ST

Non-Newb Catch-up-Was: Re: Newb Catch-Up

2006-06-01 by lcdpublishing

You may want to check on them!!! Maybe the mice are using them to cook
their dinners ;--)

Chris


> I got plenty of ovens in the attic just waiting to be converted!
> But no time to make a controller.
>
> ST
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Newb Catch-Up

2006-06-03 by Christopher Hart

I am working on HP inks, and still trying to combat a puddling problem on
copper boards, but initial tests with foil seemed to hold up to warm running
water for 20 minutes. I did try the foil tests with my lexmark, and all the
inks came off within the first few seconds. This was with using a hair dryer
to cure the ink.

YMMV

Christopher Hart

On Wednesday 31 May 2006 16:21, Stefan Trethan wrote:
> On Wed, 31 May 2006 21:49:07 +0200, dsv1486 <darrell.vandenberg@...>
>
> wrote:
> > Thanks for the info, the people at inksupply.com are great they let
> > me change my order to a 4oz bottle of yellow ink. I also purchased a
> > lexmark z22 and 3200 at a thrift store for about 3 dollars each, I
> > guess this will become my testbed for direct printing. what do you
> > guys think about the lexmark route??
>
> Bad idea, only the epsons are considered a good choice because they use a
> piezo head. It may work, but i don't think anyone knows for sure.
>
> ST

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Non-Newb Catch-up-Was: Re: Newb Catch-Up

2006-06-07 by lists

In article <c3241b80606011327w7ecae4e9m7ae8602642ecec9d@...>,
Lez <lez.briddon@...> wrote:
> > The ink must be cured. More research must be put into that (but nobody
> > seems to have volunteered to build that SMD/curing oven, or even make one
> > too and copy me the software, so...). So far i only put the PCB on the

> I'm in the UK, about 6 month ago the market was swamped with little
> ovens that had a heater top and bottom, I think they are radiant infra
> red, about 800w(400w*2) on uk 220v

> I think they would make good little pcb ovens, once a thermostat is added.

There was an article in Elektor magazine on how to do that, except it was
a little more than a thermostat. They used a controller that gave the
proper temperature cycling rates and steps.