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Plumber's Paste

2006-05-08 by mycroft2152

I decided to try some Plumber's paste, (solder-it brand Plumber's
Solder) for tinning some pcb's.

The paste itself is a lot coarser that I would have thought.

I tried melting a bit with a soldering iron and it didn't flow. It just
made a mess.

My next trial is either on a hotplate or in a toaster oven. Probably the
toaster oven since it's already plugged in :)

For those of you who have successfully used it for tinning, any
suggestions for time/ temperature in an oven or on a hot plate?

How did you manage an even coating?

Thanks,

Myc

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Plumber's Paste

2006-05-08 by Stefan Trethan

This paste process is strange.
You don't need to fully refow the paste until it is shiny, if it is hot
enough, but still looking dull, you will find the board underneath coated
with a thin layer but the rest of the paste coming off easily with a paper
towel.

I don't pretend to know what's happening, but something is...

ST


On Mon, 08 May 2006 15:01:41 +0200, mycroft2152 <mycroft2152@...>
wrote:

>
> I decided to try some Plumber's paste, (solder-it brand Plumber's
>
> Solder) for tinning some pcb's.
>
>
> The paste itself is a lot coarser that I would have thought.
>
>
> I tried melting a bit with a soldering iron and it didn't flow. It just
>
> made a mess.
>
>
> My next trial is either on a hotplate or in a toaster oven. Probably the
>
> toaster oven since it's already plugged in
>
>
> For those of you who have successfully used it for tinning, any
>
> suggestions for time/ temperature in an oven or on a hot plate?
>
>
> How did you manage an even coating?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Myc
>

Re: Plumber's Paste

2006-05-08 by mycroft2152

Any suggestions for temperature in an oven or on a hotplate?

Can you resuse the excess afterwards?

Myc

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Trethan"
<stefan_trethan@...> wrote:
>
> This paste process is strange.
> You don't need to fully refow the paste until it is shiny, if it
is hot
> enough, but still looking dull, you will find the board underneath
coated
> with a thin layer but the rest of the paste coming off easily with
a paper
> towel.
>
> I don't pretend to know what's happening, but something is...
>
> ST
>
>
> On Mon, 08 May 2006 15:01:41 +0200, mycroft2152 <mycroft2152@...>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I decided to try some Plumber's paste, (solder-it brand Plumber's
> >
> > Solder) for tinning some pcb's.
> >
> >
> > The paste itself is a lot coarser that I would have thought.
> >
> >
> > I tried melting a bit with a soldering iron and it didn't flow.
It just
> >
> > made a mess.
> >
> >
> > My next trial is either on a hotplate or in a toaster oven.
Probably the
> >
> > toaster oven since it's already plugged in
> >
> >
> > For those of you who have successfully used it for tinning, any
> >
> > suggestions for time/ temperature in an oven or on a hot plate?
> >
> >
> > How did you manage an even coating?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Myc
> >
>

[Homebrew_PCBs] RE : Plumber's Paste

2006-05-08 by Robert Hedan

I used a heat gun. You will need ventilation, those fumes can't be good for
you.

I covered the PCB with the paste and always did it in one pass. But I've
since read that it is better to do multiple passes with a thinner coat. I
have to agree with that, a thick coat can easily turn into a mess. I've
lost a lot of time with that.

It is much easier to add another coat, than to try to wipe off excess paste.
I used ordinary white paper towels, not that brown paper, the nice white
stuff. The excess paste wipes off nicely when the layer is not thick.

Right now I'm using liquid tin from MG Chemicals; just drop the PCB in a
plastic bin and let it soak in the liquid for a few minutes. I do it
outside and I don't know how many PCBs this liquid can process. I figure it
is depleting and eventually will do nothing.

Robert
:)


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> Objet : [Homebrew_PCBs] Plumber's Paste
>
>
>
...
>
> For those of you who have successfully used it for tinning,
> any suggestions for time/ temperature in an oven or on a hot plate?
>
> How did you manage an even coating?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Myc
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Plumber's Paste

2006-05-08 by Stefan Trethan

On Mon, 08 May 2006 17:00:34 +0200, mycroft2152 <mycroft2152@...>
wrote:

> Any suggestions for temperature in an oven or on a hotplate?
>
>
> Can you resuse the excess afterwards?
>
>
> Myc


I have only tried a couple of times with a hot air gun and don't remember
the temperature.

Didn't try to use the excess, but may be possible if rehydrated.

The procedure is usually too much work for me.
I want instant PCBs ;-)


ST

Spray-on photoresist

2006-05-08 by Norm Stewart

Does anyone still sell positive photoresist in the US? I'd like to find something like Positiv-20®, but can't locate any suppliers. It appears to be available in Germany, but is not mailable.

Norm

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Spray-on photoresist

2006-05-08 by Leon Heller

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norm Stewart" <w6nim@...>
To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 4:22 PM
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Spray-on photoresist


> Does anyone still sell positive photoresist in the US? I'd like to find
> something like Positiv-20®, but can't locate any suppliers. It appears to
> be available in Germany, but is not mailable.

The aerosol resist that used to be available a few years ago worked fairly
well, but the formula was changed; the current stuff is a waste of money.
I've never been able to get it to work, anyway.

Leon

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Plumber's Paste

2006-05-08 by Henk Takken

You can also heat the board with a paint stripper heat gun.

BTW: In the Netherlands tinning powder can be bought at hobby markets under
the brand Griffon. They sell it for about 6.95 euro for 250 gram. It is
available as 40/60 tin lead or as 60% tin/silver (96.5 / 3.5 silver).

Kind regards,

Henk

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Trethan" <stefan_trethan@...>
To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 15:39
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Plumber's Paste


> This paste process is strange.
> You don't need to fully refow the paste until it is shiny, if it is hot
> enough, but still looking dull, you will find the board underneath coated
> with a thin layer but the rest of the paste coming off easily with a paper
> towel.
>
> I don't pretend to know what's happening, but something is...
>
> ST

Re: Plumber's Paste

2006-05-08 by lcdpublishing

The process works, and works pretty good, however, it does take a
lot of time to do in order to get good results.

Spread a thin film on whole board

Heat with heat gun (don't know what them they run at)

Keep gun moving so you don't burn the board

Heat an area till you see the solder flow out in a dull gray color
onto the copper

If the solder turns shinny - you went a bit too hot in that area,
but it should be okay.

Usually, 2 applications are required, sometimes 3.

Take your time, and as Robert stated, do it in a VERY WELL
ventilated area - lot's of smoke!

I have been giving thougt to alternative processes though as it is
not only boring to do, it does take a good amount of time. A toater
oven might make it work faster and I would suspect you would set the
oven at the temp just above what solder melts at - as a guess.

CHris

Re: Spray-on photoresist

2006-05-08 by Andrew

>LeonH wrote:
> The aerosol resist that used to be available
> a few years ago worked fairly well, but the
> formula was changed; the current stuff is a
> waste of money. I've never been able to get
> it to work, anyway.

Here in OZ they still sell electrolube brand
positive photo resist in a spray can.

You could try search that brand for US
suppliers.

On a side note about the spray on resist. Head
what they say about using in a well ventilated
area. My old dark room had poor ventilation.
One time I was coating a lot of things with the
spray resist. A little while later dragons and
gnomes where jumping out of the wall and trying
to attack me.

[Homebrew_PCBs] RE : Roll Tinning Machine

2006-05-08 by Robert Hedan

Neither of those links work Steve.

Robert
:)



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> [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com] De la part de Steve
> Envoyé : mai 8 2006 16:40
> À : Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> Objet : [Homebrew_PCBs] Roll Tinning Machine Re: Plumber's Paste
>
>
> Look in Photos under Roll Tinning Machine. Builder made a
> heated roller and solder bath, rolls the PCB right through.
>
> I searched back in the archives for these pages:
>
> From the first mention of his roll tinning machine:
> http://tinyurl.com/sxomg
>
> Last mention of it:
> http://tinyurl.com/pow9w
>
> Steve Greenfield
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Spray-on photoresist

2006-05-08 by Leon Heller

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew" <andrewm1973@...>
To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 10:00 PM
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Spray-on photoresist


>LeonH wrote:
> The aerosol resist that used to be available
> a few years ago worked fairly well, but the
> formula was changed; the current stuff is a
> waste of money. I've never been able to get
> it to work, anyway.

Here in OZ they still sell electrolube brand
positive photo resist in a spray can.

You could try search that brand for US
suppliers.

On a side note about the spray on resist. Head
what they say about using in a well ventilated
area. My old dark room had poor ventilation.
One time I was coating a lot of things with the
spray resist. A little while later dragons and
gnomes where jumping out of the wall and trying
to attack me.


That's the stuff I can't get to work. I asked Electrolube about it at a
show, and they admitted it wasn't much good.

Leon

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Roll Tinning Machine Re: Plumber's Paste

2006-05-08 by David Hopkins

Gentlemen,
Their photos of my tinning machine.

Works real well. Been using it for about ten years and would find it
hard to do without.

David

At 06:39 AM 9/05/2006, you wrote:

>Look in Photos under Roll Tinning Machine. Builder made a heated
>roller and solder bath, rolls the PCB right through.
>
>I searched back in the archives for these pages:
>
> From the first mention of his roll tinning machine:
>http://tinyurl.com/sxomg
>
>Last mention of it:
>http://tinyurl.com/pow9w
>
>Steve Greenfield
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Spray-on photoresist

2006-05-08 by Andrew

> andrewm wrote:
> Here in OZ they still sell electrolube brand
> positive photo resist in a spray can.
> <SNIP>

> Leon wrote:
> That's the stuff I can't get to work. I asked
> Electrolube about it at a show, and they
> admitted it wasn't much good.

It is not brilliant ony fair to middling.

No where near as good as the Kinsten brand
pre-sensitised ones I use for PCBs. But when
you want to photo-etch something that is not
a PCB - it does work.

Problems I found from trial and error.

1, Not shaking the can for long enough.
2, Not being in total dark when spraying
3, Too much moisture in the air when drying
(steamy summer night in QLD and it sucks)
4, Following the manufactures instructions
with regards to coating thickness.

Don't listen to the instruction. Put it on
good and thick. Two coats I reckon. This
might limit your ultimate resolution. The
thicker coating may mean your line thickness
will vary. But if your asking about spray
on resists these days - I am guessing it is
not for a normal everyday PCB or you would
probably be getting pre-coated or a dry film
laminator.

Roll Tinning Machine Re: Plumber's Paste

2006-05-08 by Andrew

> David wrote:
> Gentlemen,
> Their photos of my tinning machine.
>
> Works real well. Been using it for
> about ten years and would find it
> hard to do without.

David,

I was impessed by that machine when
I first saw it and have been wanting
to build a copy for a while.

One question though. How does it fair
with lead free solder ? Does the
extra temp bother the roller ?

Also - How critical do you think the
silicone (? i think ?) roller is to
the function? Do you think that the
silicone roller could be replaced with
a sprung metal roller?

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Roll Tinning Machine Re: Plumber's Paste

2006-05-08 by Stefan Trethan

On Tue, 09 May 2006 00:20:38 +0200, Andrew <andrewm1973@...> wrote:

>
>
> Also - How critical do you think the
>
> silicone (? i think ?) roller is to
>
> the function? Do you think that the
>
> silicone roller could be replaced with
>
> a sprung metal roller?


I think it creates a more even pressure than a metal roller would - boards
are not 100% flat.
Maybe the roller from a printer fuser would stand up to the temperature?

I gather there are silicone hoses sold in large diameters as well, it
ought to be easier to slip one of these over a metal roller than trying to
coat one yourself with high temp RTV silicone.

ST

Re: Plumber's Paste

2006-05-09 by kilocycles

Myc,
What's in that plumbers' paste? Nothing that will react with the
electronic connections (like acid flux copper pipe solder) I presume?

I bought a 1500 Watt heat gun on sale at Harbor Freight for $12, and I
think that might get it hot enough. If it works, it will be less of a
hassle than Tinnit, and I don't have a local supplier for the MG
Chemicals liquid stinning stuff.

Looks like I'm about a week behind on my Group reading, here.

Caio,
Ted

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "mycroft2152" <mycroft2152@...>
wrote:
>
>
> I decided to try some Plumber's paste, (solder-it brand Plumber's
> Solder) for tinning some pcb's.
>
> The paste itself is a lot coarser that I would have thought.
>
> I tried melting a bit with a soldering iron and it didn't flow. It just
> made a mess.
>
> My next trial is either on a hotplate or in a toaster oven. Probably the
> toaster oven since it's already plugged in :)
>
> For those of you who have successfully used it for tinning, any
> suggestions for time/ temperature in an oven or on a hot plate?
>
> How did you manage an even coating?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Myc
-----snip----

Re: RE : Roll Tinning Machine

2006-05-09 by Steve

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Robert Hedan <robert.hedan@...>
wrote:
>
> Neither of those links work Steve.
>
> Robert
> :)

I was afraid of that.

You need to be logged into Yahoogroups, and search for "roll tinning
machine" without the quotes. Keep clicking "search" until it comes up,
you'll find them in the last two clicks near the beginning.

Steve Greenfield

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Plumber's Paste

2006-05-09 by Stefan Trethan

It's washed off after tinning so the acid flux is not a problem (remember
the board was immersed in a pretty nasty etchant not long ago).


If you buy a heatgun, you really want a temperature controlled one (closed
loop). I had a cheap one, and now a good steinel with temperature display,
and the difference is stunning. Costs like 10 times as much though, but
is about 100 times as useful..
For PCB tinning alone you might get away with the cheap one, since you are
not using different nozzle attachments and you can work out a suitable
distance once and then stick with it.

ST


On Tue, 09 May 2006 03:21:30 +0200, kilocycles <kilocycles@...>
wrote:

> Myc,
>
> What's in that plumbers' paste? Nothing that will react with the
>
> electronic connections (like acid flux copper pipe solder) I presume?
>
>
> I bought a 1500 Watt heat gun on sale at Harbor Freight for $12, and I
>
> think that might get it hot enough. If it works, it will be less of a
>
> hassle than Tinnit, and I don't have a local supplier for the MG
>
> Chemicals liquid stinning stuff.
>
>
> Looks like I'm about a week behind on my Group reading, here.
>
>
> Caio,
>
> Ted

Radio Shack Solder Paste: Was-Re: Plumber's Paste

2006-05-09 by kilocycles

Yeah, well I bought the heat gun primarily because I was tired of
charring my heat shrink over wire connections (and burning my fingers
with a butane lighter). That, and the fact that my pro painter wife
can use it for stripping. Paint, that is.

As long as nothing is left behind but solder after cleaning the board,
the plumbers' paste sounds ok...I'll certainly give it try.

Changing the subject ever so slightly, I bought a tube of Radio Shack
solder paste, and they don't say exactly what it's supposed to be used
for. I've been told it's not suitable for use as an SMD paste; it's
about 1/10 the price. I was thinking of trying it first to make the
solder joints in copper boxes used a compartments in my ham radio
projects. Any experience with the Radio Shack stuff?

Ted

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Trethan"
<stefan_trethan@...> wrote:
>
> It's washed off after tinning so the acid flux is not a problem
(remember
> the board was immersed in a pretty nasty etchant not long ago).
>
>
> If you buy a heatgun, you really want a temperature controlled one
(closed
> loop). I had a cheap one, and now a good steinel with temperature
display,
> and the difference is stunning. Costs like 10 times as much though,
but
> is about 100 times as useful..
> For PCB tinning alone you might get away with the cheap one, since
you are
> not using different nozzle attachments and you can work out a suitable
> distance once and then stick with it.
>
> ST
>
>
> On Tue, 09 May 2006 03:21:30 +0200, kilocycles <kilocycles@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Myc,
> >
> > What's in that plumbers' paste? Nothing that will react with the
> >
> > electronic connections (like acid flux copper pipe solder) I presume?
> >
> >
> > I bought a 1500 Watt heat gun on sale at Harbor Freight for $12, and I
> >
> > think that might get it hot enough.
---snip---

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Plumber's Paste

2006-05-10 by William Carr

On May 8, 2006, at 9:21 PM, kilocycles wrote:

> I bought a 1500 Watt heat gun on sale at Harbor Freight for $12, and I
> think that might get it hot enough. If it works, it will be less of a
> hassle than Tinnit

If you treat that heat gun like it's made of glass, it might even
last more than a week.

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Spray-on photoresist

2006-05-10 by guja

heh-heh-heh. this explains it all...

Leon Heller <leon.heller@...> wrote: ( the current stuff is a waste of money. )
I've never been able to get it to work, anyway.




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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Spray-on photoresist

2006-05-10 by Leon Heller

----- Original Message -----
From: "guja" <guja2001bg@...>
To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Spray-on photoresist


heh-heh-heh. this explains it all...

Leon Heller <leon.heller@...> wrote: ( the current stuff is a
waste of money. )
I've never been able to get it to work, anyway.

It could be because I've never sprayed it on in the dark, and kept it in the
dark until I've used it.

Leon

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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Spray-on photoresist

2006-05-10 by guja

Photoresist (positiv 20) is not so sensitive to daylight.
If you are interested (and if you can understand my bad English),
I can send you some txt & pics how to make good pcbs

Leon Heller <leon.heller@...> wrote: It could be because I've never sprayed it on in the dark, and kept it in the
dark until I've used it.



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Radio Shack Solder Paste: Was-Re: Plumber's Paste

2006-05-11 by matt clement

I have used the RS solder paste. I think they call it bearing
paste. It works okay for larger items, but tends to ball up alot.
The little balls of solder then go all over the board and find homes
where you dont want them (ie between IC pins). It was easy to work
with but the size of the solder "balls" in the paste are too large
to do fine surface mount stuff with. The real surface mount paste
that we use has a much much finer solder ball diameter in the flux.
I hope that made helps.

Matt




--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "kilocycles" <kilocycles@...>
wrote:
>
> Yeah, well I bought the heat gun primarily because I was tired of
> charring my heat shrink over wire connections (and burning my
fingers
> with a butane lighter). That, and the fact that my pro painter
wife
> can use it for stripping. Paint, that is.
>
> As long as nothing is left behind but solder after cleaning the
board,
> the plumbers' paste sounds ok...I'll certainly give it try.
>
> Changing the subject ever so slightly, I bought a tube of Radio
Shack
> solder paste, and they don't say exactly what it's supposed to be
used
> for. I've been told it's not suitable for use as an SMD paste;
it's
> about 1/10 the price. I was thinking of trying it first to make
the
> solder joints in copper boxes used a compartments in my ham radio
> projects. Any experience with the Radio Shack stuff?
>
> Ted
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Trethan"
> <stefan_trethan@> wrote:
> >
> > It's washed off after tinning so the acid flux is not a problem
> (remember
> > the board was immersed in a pretty nasty etchant not long ago).
> >
> >
> > If you buy a heatgun, you really want a temperature controlled
one
> (closed
> > loop). I had a cheap one, and now a good steinel with temperature
> display,
> > and the difference is stunning. Costs like 10 times as much
though,
> but
> > is about 100 times as useful..
> > For PCB tinning alone you might get away with the cheap one,
since
> you are
> > not using different nozzle attachments and you can work out a
suitable
> > distance once and then stick with it.
> >
> > ST
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 09 May 2006 03:21:30 +0200, kilocycles <kilocycles@>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Myc,
> > >
> > > What's in that plumbers' paste? Nothing that will react with
the
> > >
> > > electronic connections (like acid flux copper pipe solder) I
presume?
> > >
> > >
> > > I bought a 1500 Watt heat gun on sale at Harbor Freight for
$12, and I
> > >
> > > think that might get it hot enough.
> ---snip---
>

What's left Behind?-Was-Radio Shack Solder Paste-Re: Plumber's Paste

2006-05-17 by kilocycles

Matt et al,
I was thinking in terms of using it to "plate" a circuit board to
protect against corrosion, i.e., not having to go the Tinnit route.
So far, I haven't done much surface mount work other than SOT-23
packages, but I recently got a bunch of SOIC-8 devices to use. I
didn't really have any thing against Tinnit, kind of a hassle with the
heating and all, although my wife swears that it scored her stainless
steel sink!

After reading the posts on the plumbers' paste, I also bought some
"Oatey Instant Solder" paste to at least keep for my plumbing
emergency repair kit. It's lead-free solder and active flux. the
ingredients listed are Zinc Chloride, Tin, Copper and Bismuth. It has
the stated precaution to avoid contact with skin. Presumeably, this
is the "plumbers' paste" that's been talked about here in the group,
or something similar.

In a previous response, Stephan (I think, or maybe Myc) last week
addressed my question regarding the typical use of acid flux instead
of rosin flux for plumbing. He made the point of saying that the
board had just been exposed to a lot of acid (Ferric Chloride). On
the Elecraft web site, they caution against using even any flux that
is advertised as being "water cleanup" due to some residual effect and
subsequent reactions with the electronics components.

I guess my question is, what's left behind after isopropanol cleanup
in the use of these pastes (Radio Shack or Oatey plumbing paste), and
is it mixed in with the solder layer such that corrosion will occur
after soldering the components with 63-37 tin-lead rosin-based solder?

Regards,
Ted

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "matt clement"
<buckeyes1997@...> wrote:
>
> I have used the RS solder paste. I think they call it bearing
> paste. It works okay for larger items, but tends to ball up alot.
> The little balls of solder then go all over the board and find homes
> where you dont want them (ie between IC pins). It was easy to work
> with but the size of the solder "balls" in the paste are too large
> to do fine surface mount stuff with. The real surface mount paste
> that we use has a much much finer solder ball diameter in the flux.
> I hope that made helps.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "kilocycles" <kilocycles@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, well I bought the heat gun primarily because I was tired of
> > charring my heat shrink over wire connections (and burning my
> fingers
> > with a butane lighter). That, and the fact that my pro painter
> wife
> > can use it for stripping. Paint, that is.
> >
> > As long as nothing is left behind but solder after cleaning the
> board,
> > the plumbers' paste sounds ok...I'll certainly give it try.
> >
> > Changing the subject ever so slightly, I bought a tube of Radio
> Shack
> > solder paste, and they don't say exactly what it's supposed to be
> used
> > for. I've been told it's not suitable for use as an SMD paste;
> it's
> > about 1/10 the price. I was thinking of trying it first to make
> the
> > solder joints in copper boxes used a compartments in my ham radio
> > projects. Any experience with the Radio Shack stuff?
> >
> > Ted
> >
> > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Trethan"
> > <stefan_trethan@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It's washed off after tinning so the acid flux is not a problem
> > (remember
> > > the board was immersed in a pretty nasty etchant not long ago).
> > >
> > >
> > > If you buy a heatgun, you really want a temperature controlled
> one
> > (closed
> > > loop). I had a cheap one, and now a good steinel with temperature
> > display,
> > > and the difference is stunning. Costs like 10 times as much
> though,
> > but
> > > is about 100 times as useful..
> > > For PCB tinning alone you might get away with the cheap one,
> since
> > you are
> > > not using different nozzle attachments and you can work out a
> suitable
> > > distance once and then stick with it.
> > >
> > > ST
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 09 May 2006 03:21:30 +0200, kilocycles <kilocycles@>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Myc,
> > > >
> > > > What's in that plumbers' paste? Nothing that will react with
> the
> > > >
> > > > electronic connections (like acid flux copper pipe solder) I
> presume?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I bought a 1500 Watt heat gun on sale at Harbor Freight for
> $12, and I
> > > >
> > > > think that might get it hot enough.
> > ---snip---
> >
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] What's left Behind?-Was-Radio Shack Solder Paste-Re: Plumber's Paste

2006-05-18 by Stefan Trethan

On Thu, 18 May 2006 01:18:49 +0200, kilocycles <kilocycles@...>
wrote:

>
> I guess my question is, what's left behind after isopropanol cleanup
> in the use of these pastes (Radio Shack or Oatey plumbing paste), and
> is it mixed in with the solder layer such that corrosion will occur
> after soldering the components with 63-37 tin-lead rosin-based solder?
> Regards,
> Ted


If you wash the board well it will be fine.
These plumbing fluxes are usually all water-soluble so they are washed
away quickly inside the pipes, and are easy to clean outside the pipes
with a moist rag.
I would wash the board in the sink with water and detergent rather than
IPA, ought to be more effective.

Since the metallic tinning should not contain any gaps or pockets where
flux may remain there should be no flux that is trapped, and it isn't
mixed in with the solder either.


ST

What's left Behind?-Was-Radio Shack Solder Paste-Re: Plumber's Paste

2006-05-18 by kilocycles

Stefan,
OK, I'll give it a try. I'll be putting it on pretty thin, anyway.
I'll do it on a few boards with the Radio shack paste and the Oatey
Instant Solder, mark them, and check the boards for corrosion
periodically over a couple of years.

I noticed at Home Depot they had some copper pipe fittings...elbows,
etc...that were pre-tinned inside. I imagine to apply that they used
some paste compound of solder and flux, and heated them in an oven.
Certainly not by employing old retired plumbers wearing gloves and
using a propane torch :)

Regards,
Ted

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Trethan"
<stefan_trethan@...> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 18 May 2006 01:18:49 +0200, kilocycles <kilocycles@...>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I guess my question is, what's left behind after isopropanol cleanup
> > in the use of these pastes (Radio Shack or Oatey plumbing paste), and
> > is it mixed in with the solder layer such that corrosion will occur
> > after soldering the components with 63-37 tin-lead rosin-based solder?
> > Regards,
> > Ted
>
>
> If you wash the board well it will be fine.
> These plumbing fluxes are usually all water-soluble so they are washed
> away quickly inside the pipes, and are easy to clean outside the pipes
> with a moist rag.
> I would wash the board in the sink with water and detergent rather
than
> IPA, ought to be more effective.
>
> Since the metallic tinning should not contain any gaps or pockets
where
> flux may remain there should be no flux that is trapped, and it isn't
> mixed in with the solder either.
>
>
> ST
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] What's left Behind?-Was-Radio Shack Solder Paste-Re: Plumber's Paste

2006-05-18 by Stefan Trethan

On Thu, 18 May 2006 18:30:18 +0200, kilocycles <kilocycles@...>
wrote:

> I noticed at Home Depot they had some copper pipe fittings...elbows,
> etc...that were pre-tinned inside. I imagine to apply that they used
> some paste compound of solder and flux, and heated them in an oven.
> Certainly not by employing old retired plumbers wearing gloves and
> using a propane torch

Who knows... I haven't seen those around here yet, ours are not pre-tinned.
I don't know what the fuss is about anyway, soldering copper fittings is
so dead easy with just plain wire and a tin of "soldering paste" (the flux
only not the one with tin inside). I never understood why they even found
it necessary to invent the solder bearing paste, and i certainly don't see
the need for pre-tinned parts. But i guess plumbers charge so much these
days they have grown lazy of cleaning the copper before soldering. Well, i
sure don't need one of them anyway...

Won't be long and the copper plumbing will be gone. They make everything
plastic (PP) now around here, which is directly welded together. I don't
trust that crimped nonsense, and welding is fairly easy.


About your trial with the pastes, i reckon i might be curious about the
results, so don't forget to report in a few years time ;-)

ST