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Surface mount VS Through-hole comparison

Surface mount VS Through-hole comparison

2006-04-13 by Robert Hedan

This is for Chris and the others that have yet to fiddle with SMD
components.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs/files/Surface_Mount/

Files:
--------
PCB size SMD.JPG
PCB size non-SMD.JPG

These pics are to scale (to the best of my limitted graphic abilities).  The
through-hole circuit is 6" x 6" while the SMD circuit is 3.75" x 3.75".
Note that the through-hole circuit is single-sided and the SMD is
double-sided.  I used 1206 size SMD components, 0805 are even smaller but
also harder to manipulate if you have a shaky hand like me.  Your breath can
move 0805 components easily.

Both PCBs are different generations of the same circuit;  the through-hole
version uses a PIC 16F877 while the SMD version uses dual MCP23016 I/O
expanders.  This circuit receives a signal from a driver board and triggers
a keystroke on a personal computer.  That piggy-backed green circuit is
hacked from a HP USB keyboard.

I sprayed clear paint to protect the silkscreen on the through-hole circuit.
I had used Pulsar white transfer paper with mild results, the lettering
easily came off.  On the SMD circuit I sprayed engine block paint and had
masked all the pads with ordinary clear adhesive tape.  Then I applied the
silkscreen using Pulsar toner transfer paper with excellent results.  The
problems started when I used isopropyl alcohol to clean the rosin, but I'm
sure the paint would have been ok if I had cured it as the can suggested
(curing = patience = mission impossible).

I rely on a headband magnifier for SMD work, they are awesome once you get
used to them.  I have yet to master the fancy 'single stroke solder
technique', I soldered each lead of the SOIC components individually.  One
trick to hold components in place is to generously wipe rosin on the lands,
that stops parts from slipping around.  I tack solder one end of a
component, then I solder the other end, solder some more the 1st end then I
quickly dip the iron into both ends; the liquified solder and surface
tension automatically straightens out the component, that's too cool.  It
takes a bit of practice, but things go smoothly once you get this technique
down.

I'll work on that 'single stroke across the leads' solder technique some
other day.  The one time I tried it on 0.5mm pitch leads I got a bridge
across 2 leads and it was a royal pain to take it out.  I know SOIC are
spread further apart, but since I'm not doing massive production batches I
don't mind individual soldering the leads, for now.  But yeah, by the time I
had soldered the 13th MCT6 I was starting to seriously think about
practicing that trick.

Oh yeah, one last thing, SMD components are priced about the same as their
through-hole counter-parts.  In some cases they are even cheaper and more
readily available.  I expect DIP packages to become harder to get over time,
so I figured I might as well get used to them now.  One added bonus is the
lower hole count.  I had started making my vias with wire, but now I use the
leads on 1/4 watt resistors (or small capacitors, whatever falls under my
hand); they are thin, hold in your fingers easily and I've got tons of the
stuff.

Robert
:)





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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Surface mount VS Through-hole comparison

2006-04-13 by Stefan Trethan

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:46:02 +0200, Robert Hedan  
<robert.hedan@...> wrote:

> Files:
>
> --------
>
> PCB size SMD.JPG
>
> PCB size non-SMD.JPG
>
>
> These pics are to scale


Well, these pictures more or less show that you can waste space with  
either technology ;-)
I'm sure you could make the THP pcb the same sice as this smd one if you  
really had to...

But i really like the engine paint idea for the legend, i must try that  
one of these days.
If only one wouldn't need to mask the pads....

ST

[Homebrew_PCBs] RE : Surface mount VS Through-hole comparison

2006-04-13 by Robert Hedan

Yeah, the through-hole version was one of my early tests; photoresist, 50
mil large traces, etc.  Imagine a caveman drawing with a wax crayon.

The SMD was done solely with toner transfer.  You can't see the traces but I
can tell you it's pretty compact.  I might have been able to save a 1/2" of
surface area, but I couldn't make that board 1/4" shorter.  I have to
contend with the size of the piggy-back circuit and making sure it does not
stick out the PCB area.  I used 10 - 20 mil traces with equal spacing;
trying to squeeze out more space would have been an exercise in wasted time
(for my application).

That engine block paint is really good.  I used the top brand which can take
a LOT of heat (more cure = more heat resistance), but I'm sure the cheaper
brands would have been adequate for our purposes.  The only curing I did was
when I passed it through the laminator during the toner transfer.  I can't
wait for something to dry and I smudged my fingerprints on a few places.
With proper drying and curing, I'm sure this paint would yield perfect
results.

Yeah, the masking is a pain.  That's why you'll notice I took shortcuts, I'd
cut strips of tape whenever possible.  I totally covered the SOIC
components, I didn't want paint under the belly to lift the IC in the air.
Look at the bottom row on both sides, I just masked everything in one
streak.  Basically I wanted to have paint wherever I was going to have
silkscreen.  The board is tinned so some exposed areas is not a problem.

Masking is dangerous 'cause I used an exacto to cut the tape; too much
pressure and you can cut/damage a trace.   Ideally, I'm still looking for a
'gel' that I could plop on the lands, spray paint the PCB, let dry and then
wipe with a towel leaving the lands exposed (the gel preventing the paint
from adhering to the lands).

Robert
:)




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Objet : Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Surface mount VS Through-hole comparison


On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:46:02 +0200, Robert Hedan  
<robert.hedan@...> wrote:

> Files:
>
> --------
>
> PCB size SMD.JPG
>
> PCB size non-SMD.JPG
>
>
> These pics are to scale


Well, these pictures more or less show that you can waste space with  
either technology ;-)
I'm sure you could make the THP pcb the same sice as this smd one if you  
really had to...

But i really like the engine paint idea for the legend, i must try that  
one of these days.
If only one wouldn't need to mask the pads....

ST


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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] RE : Surface mount VS Through-hole comparison

2006-04-13 by Stefan Trethan

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:20:05 +0200, Robert Hedan  
<robert.hedan@...> wrote:

>   Ideally, I'm still looking for a
>
> 'gel' that I could plop on the lands, spray paint the PCB, let dry and  
> then
>
> wipe with a towel leaving the lands exposed (the gel preventing the paint
>
> from adhering to the lands).
>
>
> Robert


How about toothpaste?

ST

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Surface mount VS Through-hole comparison

2006-04-14 by Herbert E. Plett

--- Robert Hedan <robert.hedan@...> wrote:

> This is for Chris and the others that have yet to fiddle with SMD
> components.

>...  I used 1206 size SMD components, 0805 are even smaller but
> also harder to manipulate if you have a shaky hand like me.  Your breath can
> move 0805 components easily.
> 
I built myself a 'helper' finger. Out of coat-hanger wire I made a Y shape with
a loong foot. Then I bent the upper part square down like two feet. On the long
end I attached a needle, also pointing down. A sort of tripod. In the middle of
this three foot bridge I put some weight on.
Now you place any tiny component in place on the board and weight it with the
needle. Will not slip away and the sharp point ensures there is no thermal load
and no sight obstruction and you have both hands free.

> ...  I expect DIP packages to become harder to get over time,
> so I figured I might as well get used to them now.  One added bonus is the
> lower hole count.  I had started making my vias with wire, but now I use the
> leads on 1/4 watt resistors (or small capacitors, whatever falls under my
> hand); they are thin, hold in your fingers easily and I've got tons of the
> stuff.

I bend the DIP's pins outward with a flat plier. Now these 'old fashioned'
chips become SMD. HUGE counterparts to SOIC, but you need no holes and you can
place them on both sides of the board. All you need is a new package type with
your design program, 6, 8, 14, 16, 18, etc pads on 300x100 mil grid. Also works
fine with 600 mil 40 pin packages... No holes at all. (They look a little
clumsy...)
As these chips are not exactly flush with the board (well, they could be) there
is some place for 'wired' vias under them. If you are careful and patient
enough, very narrow pads will allow you to pass two signals between pads. Hard
to align and solder, but possible.

just some tricks...

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[Homebrew_PCBs] RE : Surface mount VS Through-hole comparison

2006-04-14 by Robert Hedan

Hmm, that's not a bad idea.  I know I want something that will not bond or
interact with the engine block paint, so that rules out anything with
petroleum.  I had thought of vaseline, but I'm pretty sure petroleum-based
products would have a 'paint thinner' effect around the lands, basically
screwing up the surrounding paint.

I tried hair gel from the corner dollar store.  I had high hopes for this
material 'cause it was super cheap, non-toxic and water-based.  Only problem
was that it was too soft, it didn't make a nice dome over the land, some of
the lands totally closed over.

Toothpaste has a thicker consistency, that might be just right.  I was
looking for an excuse to etch another PCB tomorrow, this is just what I
needed.  I'm also going to take the opportunity to pick up some of the
Staples glossy paper for laser printers and give that product a test run.

Robert
:D



-----Message d'origine-----
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Envoyé : avril 13 2006 16:28
À : Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Objet : Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] RE : Surface mount VS Through-hole comparison

How about toothpaste?

ST

[Homebrew_PCBs] RE : Surface mount VS Through-hole comparison

2006-04-14 by Robert Hedan

I thought of that, but I've been able to get SOIC parts so far so I haven't
been forced into that corner yet.

If I was to use that technique and needed vias, I'd bend all leads except
whichever lead on the IC that was shared by both sides.  If I'm going to
pass something though the board, it might as well be a lead on the IC.  It's
easy to solder the top and bottom of DIP leads.

Robert
:)



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Envoyé : avril 13 2006 22:15
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Objet : Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Surface mount VS Through-hole comparison

I bend the DIP's pins outward with a flat plier. Now these 'old fashioned'
chips become SMD. 

...

As these chips are not exactly flush with the board (well, they could be)
there is some place for 'wired' vias under them. If you are careful and
patient enough, very narrow pads will allow you to pass two signals between
pads. Hard to align and solder, but possible.

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] RE : Surface mount VS Through-hole comparison

2006-04-14 by Herbert E. Plett

--- Robert Hedan <robert.hedan@...> wrote:

> I thought of that, but I've been able to get SOIC parts so far so I haven't
> been forced into that corner yet.
> 
your luck is that you are only $5 and 48hours from Digikey (or whoever).
Elsewhere in the world it's different...

> If I was to use that technique and needed vias, I'd bend all leads except
> whichever lead on the IC that was shared by both sides.  If I'm going to
> pass something though the board, it might as well be a lead on the IC.  It's
> easy to solder the top and bottom of DIP leads.
what layout package are you using that allows so easily to mix-and-match pads
and through holes? I use Eagle and it's a hell of work to create new packages.


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[Homebrew_PCBs] RE : Surface mount VS Through-hole comparison

2006-04-14 by Robert Hedan

Bingo, I've been using DigiKey and Mouser a lot lately.  I'm going to use
DigiKey more 'cause I've noticed I'm getting hit with serious
brokerage/customs fees when I buy from Mouser.  Even if I pay Federal sales
tax with DigiKey Canada, I still get better prices.  I'd have to buy some
serious volume from Mouser to make a difference.  Oh yeah, shipping is
sometimes overnight with DigiKey (only $8 on most orders), it took over a
week for my last Mouser order.

I've been fortunate to get QCAD for a bargain.  I think it's one of the best
softwares out there.  I tried many of the freeware/shareware when I first
started 2-3 years ago, but they all lacked in one way or another.  You can
get the limitted QCAD demo version for free, the only limitation is 100
pins.  But if you stick to SMD components, that's a lot of vias.  More info
here:
http://www.winqcad.com/features.html

I like QCAD 'cause it generate CNC code and that's where I ultimately want
to go.  I like how I can edit any footprint, any component, it's very
intuitive to learn once you've tried at least one of these softwares.  I
don't even know what the limit is for layers, but it's so easy to work with
them.  I don't care any more for the auto-router feature, I've learned I can
do it better myself.

Robert
:)



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Objet : Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] RE : Surface mount VS Through-hole comparison


your luck is that you are only $5 and 48hours from Digikey (or whoever).
Elsewhere in the world it's different...

what layout package are you using that allows so easily to mix-and-match
pads and through holes? I use Eagle and it's a hell of work to create new
packages.

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