Odd Soldering Tip Behavior
2006-01-07 by bob_ledoux
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2006-01-07 by bob_ledoux
I just purchased a new tip for my Antex 15 watt soldering iron. I can't get the tip to tin. It melts solder well but solder won't stick to the tip. Apparently, the new tips are iron coated copper with a chrome plate. Is this something new? Are tips now being made so they don't hold solder? I used it to solder an SOIC chip with no problem, but I can't carry a small amount of solder from solder roll to the board. The solder just melts, leaving a ball on the end of the roll of solder.
2006-01-07 by soffee83
Bob, I'm no iron expert, but that does sound like a pretty low wattage. I think my general duty "weak" one is a 23W. Could it be anything in the melting point of the solder you're using? FWIW, I had the same problem with most of my reground copper tips recently, and had been talking to people here and in another forum. It turns out, I was waiting too long between preparing a nice, clean tip and coating it. I started cleaning it well with steel wool and even some ferric chloride on a paper towel, and then smearing a glob of flux on it and immediately reinstalling it and heating it. I'd start applying solder before it was hot enough to melt, and then as soon as it did, I could wipe it all around the tip and clean it off with a sponge periodically, leaving a nice shiny coating. I think the metal was oxidizing or something while it sat before. -Good Luck! George
2006-01-07 by Leon Heller
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From: "bob_ledoux" <bobledoux@...> To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:35 AM Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Odd Soldering Tip Behavior >I just purchased a new tip for my Antex 15 watt soldering iron. > > I can't get the tip to tin. It melts solder well but solder won't > stick to the tip. Apparently, the new tips are iron coated copper > with a chrome plate. > > Is this something new? Are tips now being made so they don't hold > solder? I used it to solder an SOIC chip with no problem, but I can't > carry a small amount of solder from solder roll to the board. The > solder just melts, leaving a ball on the end of the roll of solder. Get some Multicore TTC1 tip tinner/cleaner. It's a mixture of solder particles and an active flux. When I used to use those Antex irons, I had the same problem. I don't get it with my Metcal equipment, but the tips cost a lot more, and last forever, with care. Leon -- Leon Heller, G1HSM leon.heller@... http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller
2006-01-07 by Stefan Trethan
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 01:35:42 +0100, bob_ledoux <bobledoux@...> wrote: > I just purchased a new tip for my Antex 15 watt soldering iron. > > > I can't get the tip to tin. It melts solder well but solder won't > > stick to the tip. Apparently, the new tips are iron coated copper > > with a chrome plate. > > > Is this something new? Are tips now being made so they don't hold > > solder? I used it to solder an SOIC chip with no problem, but I can't > > carry a small amount of solder from solder roll to the board. The > > solder just melts, leaving a ball on the end of the roll of solder. No, the tips are stil made to hold solder. The crome plate doesn't, but that should not be one the last few mm of the tip. I think you need some of that special flux for wetting tips if normal flux and solder won't work. Don't use anything mechanical on the tip or you'll damage the iron plating. ST
2006-01-07 by bob_ledoux
I bought the iron about 15 years ago at the Tektronics surplus store in Beaverton, OR. Since then it has been my primary circuitboard iron. It heats in 40 seconds and has handled everything from 1208 smt chips to .025 square pins to circuitboards. I bought a new 1/16 inch tip for the iron so I could better handle SOIC chips when this problem arose. --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "soffee83" <soffee83@y...> wrote:
> > Bob, > > I'm no iron expert, but that does sound like a pretty low wattage. I > think my general duty "weak" one is a 23W. Could it be anything in the > melting point of the solder you're using? > > FWIW, I had the same problem with most of my reground copper tips > recently, and had been talking to people here and in another forum. It > turns out, I was waiting too long between preparing a nice, clean tip > and coating it. I started cleaning it well with steel wool and even > some ferric chloride on a paper towel, and then smearing a glob of > flux on it and immediately reinstalling it and heating it. I'd start > applying solder before it was hot enough to melt, and then as soon as > it did, I could wipe it all around the tip and clean it off with a > sponge periodically, leaving a nice shiny coating. I think the metal > was oxidizing or something while it sat before. > > -Good Luck! > > George >
2006-01-07 by soffee83
--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "bob_ledoux" <bobledoux@p...> wrote: >It heats in 40 seconds and has handled everything from 1208 smt > chips to .025 square pins to circuitboards Bob, I figured you knew all that simple stuff already. ;) Stefan, what are you cleaning a really dirty coated tip with? Is a soft extra fine steel wool OK? I've got a few of them too, but I've been pretty happy with the sharply ground coppers, now that I'm tinning them better. Not sure if I asked here, but I was wondering if anyone's ever seen a wide, flat tip for heating multiple IC legs at once? I was thinking how nice it would be to have something shaped like a hammerhead shark. Someone suggested heating an upside-down board from behind with a torch once, and I tried it. They said the components would simply drop out of the board onto the floor. Well, now I've got a nice old foot- long server card here with plenty of thru-hole digital IC's and pretty black polka dots on the back if anyone needs it. I think I hit it with MAPP gas, but it may as well have been ice water. -George
2006-01-07 by Stefan Trethan
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 19:52:45 +0100, soffee83 <soffee83@...> wrote: > Stefan, what are you cleaning a really dirty coated tip with? Is a > soft extra fine steel wool OK? I've got a few of them too, but I've > been pretty happy with the sharply ground coppers, now that I'm > tinning them better. I have never gotten a tip dirty enough to need any of that. There can be several reasons why a tip doesn't wet well: If you run at high temperatures the tin will oxydize. If you run it "dry" the iron plating will oxydize. There were also problems with some no-clean fluxes that were simply way too weak to keep the iron wetted. Finally the plating can be worn through, then nothing will help. To recover a tip that doesn't wet properly try this (in this order, and stop when it's ok again!): Wipe on moist sponge / apply flux core tin. Sometimes this must be repeated a few times to work. Larger wires have usually more flux and you can also try liquid or solid soldering flux. Use stronger activated flux (ideally special tip cleaner flux, or plumbing flux). Make sure to clean that off when done. If the above doesn't work you are officially allowed (by weller for example) to use fine emery paper or a very fine steel brush. I reckon steel wool is OK too. Use MINIMUM amount of abrasion that gets it working again. Do this while hot and apply tin immediately. To avoid any trouble: Run the iron as cool as works well - a little cooler can like double tip life. ALWAYS keep tin on the tip. When you wipe it, immediately wet again. Don't ever leave dry. Don't use your iron as screwdriver or to lever things out or any other stupid things. Only use a proper soldering iron sponge and deionised (distilled) water. Use a slightly moist sponge, not dry, not soaking. Never shake the solder off by knocking the iron against something (heater). Use electronics tin ideally with mild rosin flux. As long as you treat it well a quality longlife tip will last for many, many years. > > Not sure if I asked here, but I was wondering if anyone's ever seen a > wide, flat tip for heating multiple IC legs at once? I was thinking > how nice it would be to have something shaped like a hammerhead shark. There are all sorts of shapes you can possibly imagine, any many you can't. The more exotic the more expensive of course. For a special tip you rarely need you can always make it out of copper. There are tips that heat all pins of DIL ICs, same for SMD. There are also tips with a gap for 1206 and other SMD sizes, which i would quite like to own... > > Someone suggested heating an upside-down board from behind with a > torch once, and I tried it. They said the components would simply drop > out of the board onto the floor. Well, now I've got a nice old foot- > long server card here with plenty of thru-hole digital IC's and pretty > black polka dots on the back if anyone needs it. I think I hit it with > MAPP gas, but it may as well have been ice water. You are supposed to light the torch ;-) No seriously, this is not quite the best thing to do, while it does work. Better get a hot air gun with temperature regulation. It will still sometimes damage the PCB because air is such a bad heat conductor, and it takes rather long to transfer enough heat to melt the solder. I almost stopped all-out desoldering of PCBs completely, i keep them in boxes and go through them when i need components. The proper tool for desoldering is a desoldering iron or gun. It beats all other methods (braid, solder sucker, hot air) by a huge margin. The cheapest ones are these: <http://www.interboard.co.kr/bbshop3/img/item/70_s.jpg> But it is better to have a gun or a tip for a normal iron like these, where you can switch on the vacuum from a pump: <http://www.mbr.ch/Loet-Entloetsysteme/Hakko/474Handle.jpg> <http://www.pkelektronik.com/productPics_big/0051319099.jpg> Those will desolder PTH baords without pulling out barrels and non-PTH boards without lifting pads, and will also not burn the boards like hot air can do. ST