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2005-11-28 by Terry Mickelson
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2005-11-28 by Terry Mickelson
2005-11-28 by pinoy_nyc@yahoo.com
2005-11-28 by Mike Young
----- Original Message -----
From: <pinoy_nyc@...>
> I bought this stand since I thought I can use my power screwdriver to
> drive
> the built in chuck, but I found out that the nose of the screwdriver is
> hex,
> which wont be able to driver the built in chuck, which has a round
> connector,
> and assume you'll be connecting a drill chuck on top of it.
>
> is there some kind of an adaptor (from hex to round) so I can use my
> power screwdriver to drive the built in chuck?...
>
> I hope you understand what I'm saying.
2005-11-28 by Evan Dudzik
On 11/28/05, Mike Young <mikewhy@...> wrote:
>
> Screwdrivers are built for low-speed and high torque, the exact opposite
> of
> what's needed for drilling small holes. It might be possible to set up a
> gear drive using the hex drive, but that still leaves the problem of
> coupling to the chuck.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <pinoy_nyc@...>
>
> > I bought this stand since I thought I can use my power screwdriver to
> > drive
> > the built in chuck, but I found out that the nose of the screwdriver is
> > hex,
> > which wont be able to driver the built in chuck, which has a round
> > connector,
> > and assume you'll be connecting a drill chuck on top of it.
> >
> > is there some kind of an adaptor (from hex to round) so I can use my
> > power screwdriver to drive the built in chuck?...
> >
> > I hope you understand what I'm saying.
>
>
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2005-11-28 by Mike Young
----- Original Message -----
From: "Evan Dudzik" <evandude@...>
To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Screw Driver to Drill Chuck Adaptor
> those drill stands also don't tend to have very high precision bearings or
> mechanisms... the amount of wobble or other slop that is acceptable with a
> 1/4" drill bit is a LOT greater than the amount that's acceptable with a
> tiny PCB drill bit...
>
> -Evan
>
> On 11/28/05, Mike Young <mikewhy@...> wrote:
>>
>> Screwdrivers are built for low-speed and high torque, the exact opposite
>> of
>> what's needed for drilling small holes. It might be possible to set up a
2005-11-28 by Dave
>ability to
> The concentricity of the bearings on the chuck, and the chuck's
> center the bit accurately, are in question. I have to agree withEvan that
> these are important considerations. Rotary tools with collets -- e.g.:run-out than
> Dremels, Rotozips, routers, laminate trimmers -- will have less
> a Jacobs chuck. Also, the higher speed is useful for making very smallOne of the problem with a collet mount is that it only accepts
> holes.
> All is not lost. The most important attribute is that it can guide atool,
> held somewhat rigidly, in a direction more or less perpendicular tothe work
> table. Certainly it's possible to drill a PCB even by hand (with somealready a
> gnashing and great peril to the bits); guiding one with press is
> great improvement. If you can find a cheap Dremel, and some way tomount it
> to the press, it would be close to an ideal drilling station. Bronzeetc. are
> grounding clamps found in the electrical department of Home Depot
> almost custom made for holding their round-ish shapes.For future
>
> [BTW: did anyone else catch the recent revival of the Rotozip? :)
> reference, five years is about the right interval for re-introducingretail
> flops. It lacked a usable base in its original incarnation. Addingone drove
> its price up to where a real laminate trimmer is a viablealternative. I
> suggest waiting a few months, and see if you can find something onoverstock
> for $30 or so. Its 30k rpm motor and huge cooling fan are what you're
> after.]
2005-11-28 by Stefan Trethan
> One of the problem with a collet mount is that it only acceptsThat doesn't really change that jacobs chucks have awful runout, esp. the
>
> certain sizes of bits. Fortunately, Dremel has a Jacobs style
>
> chuck that will attach to the business end of a Dremel tool and
>
> allow precision mounting of very tiny bits. It's item 4486, near
>
> the bottom of this page:
>
>
> http://www.dremel.com/HTML/products/accessories/accessories.pdf
>
>
> Dave
2005-11-28 by Mike Young
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <wa4qal@...>
> One of the problem with a collet mount is that it only accepts
> certain sizes of bits. Fortunately, Dremel has a Jacobs style
> chuck that will attach to the business end of a Dremel tool and
> allow precision mounting of very tiny bits. It's item 4486, near
> the bottom of this page:
>
> http://www.dremel.com/HTML/products/accessories/accessories.pdf
2005-11-28 by derekhawkins
>Good carbide bits can be had rather inexpensivelyhttp://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=34640
--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Young" <mikewhy@s...> wrote:
>
2005-11-29 by mikezcnc
>itemnumber=34640
> >Good carbide bits can be had rather inexpensively
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?
>wrote:
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Young" <mikewhy@s...>
> >
>
2005-11-29 by upand_at_them
>
> >Good carbide bits can be had rather inexpensively
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=34640
>
2005-11-29 by Ray Dinwiddie
>can now start drilling PCBs.
> Hello,
>
>
> I just bought the $39.00 craftsman universal drill stand, so I
>chuck.
> This stand has its own Drill Chuck.
> Then you can just mount almost any drill to drive the built in
>screwdriver to drive
> I bought this stand since I thought I can use my power
> the built in chuck, but I found out that the nose of thescrewdriver is hex,
> which wont be able to driver the built in chuck, which has a roundconnector,
> and assume you'll be connecting a drill chuck on top of it.use my power screwdriver to drive the built in chuck?...
>
> is there some kind of an adaptor (from hex to round) so I can
>
> I hope you understand what I'm saying.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
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2005-11-29 by idaho_huckleberry
>$30.
> Reading this series of posts begs my observations and solution to
> drilling small lot PCBs. I found that the runout on Dremel and its
> clones is too much for good carbide drill bit life. After trying 3
> Dremels I found that all had runout of .010 to .015. Tryed multiple
> collets with no improvement. The problem seemed to be that when the
> unit is off and runout is measured it is near zero, but when turned
> on the run out appears. With an 8 power loupe it can be seen at
> startup. Never took the motors apart but I suspect that one or both
> ends of the armature is rubber mounted as a shock absorber?.
>
> That being said, I found a cheap single speed drill motor at Jameco
> that has runout of less that .005. It is single speed (20k) and
> It is 1 11/16" Dia. and 4" long straight sided cylinder, greatlylow
> simplifing mounting in a small drill press. Also the collect shaft
> is about 1 1/2" long to give good field of view at the drill point.
> It is imported and I suspect it has sleave bearings and thus not a
> very long accurate life, but I can live with that given the very
> runout.BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=00925923000&subcat=Drill+Doctor+
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "pinoy_nyc@y..."
> <pinoy_nyc@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > I just bought the $39.00 craftsman universal drill stand, so I
> can now start drilling PCBs.
> http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?
>
> %26+Drill+Attachmentsround
> >
> > This stand has its own Drill Chuck.
> > Then you can just mount almost any drill to drive the built in
> chuck.
> >
> > I bought this stand since I thought I can use my power
> screwdriver to drive
> > the built in chuck, but I found out that the nose of the
> screwdriver is hex,
> > which wont be able to driver the built in chuck, which has a
> connector,free.
> > and assume you'll be connecting a drill chuck on top of it.
> >
> > is there some kind of an adaptor (from hex to round) so I can
> use my power screwdriver to drive the built in chuck?...
> >
> > I hope you understand what I'm saying.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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2005-11-29 by Ray Dinwiddie
>to
> Is that Jameco part number 26702CE?
>
> http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/catalogs/c254/P255.pdf
>
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Ray Dinwiddie"
> <crdinwiddie@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Reading this series of posts begs my observations and solution
> > drilling small lot PCBs. I found that the runout on Dremel andits
> > clones is too much for good carbide drill bit life. After trying3
> > Dremels I found that all had runout of .010 to .015. Tryedmultiple
> > collets with no improvement. The problem seemed to be that whenthe
> > unit is off and runout is measured it is near zero, but whenturned
> > on the run out appears. With an 8 power loupe it can be seen atboth
> > startup. Never took the motors apart but I suspect that one or
> > ends of the armature is rubber mounted as a shock absorber?.Jameco
> >
> > That being said, I found a cheap single speed drill motor at
> > that has runout of less that .005. It is single speed (20k) andshaft
> $30.
> > It is 1 11/16" Dia. and 4" long straight sided cylinder, greatly
> > simplifing mounting in a small drill press. Also the collect
> > is about 1 1/2" long to give good field of view at the drillpoint.
> > It is imported and I suspect it has sleave bearings and thus nota
> > very long accurate life, but I can live with that given the veryI
> low
> > runout.
> >
> > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "pinoy_nyc@y..."
> > <pinoy_nyc@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > >
> > > I just bought the $39.00 craftsman universal drill stand, so
> > can now start drilling PCBs.BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=00925923000&subcat=Drill+Doctor+
> > http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?
> >
>
> > %26+Drill+Attachmentsin
> > >
> > > This stand has its own Drill Chuck.
> > > Then you can just mount almost any drill to drive the built
> > chuck.can
> > >
> > > I bought this stand since I thought I can use my power
> > screwdriver to drive
> > > the built in chuck, but I found out that the nose of the
> > screwdriver is hex,
> > > which wont be able to driver the built in chuck, which has a
> round
> > connector,
> > > and assume you'll be connecting a drill chuck on top of it.
> > >
> > > is there some kind of an adaptor (from hex to round) so I
> > use my power screwdriver to drive the built in chuck?...
> > >
> > > I hope you understand what I'm saying.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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2005-11-29 by lcdpublishing
2005-11-30 by pinoy_nyc@yahoo.com
2005-11-30 by Evan Dudzik
On 11/29/05, pinoy_nyc@... <pinoy_nyc@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hello. Do you know where I can buy cheap PCB in small quantities?
>
>
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2005-11-30 by derekhawkins
>Have you used these?Yes, I have both the 50 piece and 20 piece sets. Quality is good.
>I'm curious, because almost everything from Harbor Freight is junk.With apologies to Forrest....."Harbor Freight is like a box of
>
> Have you used these? I'm curious, because almost everything from
> Harbor Freight is junk.
>
> Mike
2005-11-30 by lcdpublishing
>components.
> >Have you used these?
>
> Yes, I have both the 50 piece and 20 piece sets. Quality is good.
> However, not many sizes are useful for typical thru hole
>junk.
> >I'm curious, because almost everything from Harbor Freight is
>from
> With apologies to Forrest....."Harbor Freight is like a box of
> chocolates. You never know what you're going to get..."
>
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "upand_at_them"
> <upand_at_them@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Have you used these? I'm curious, because almost everything
> > Harbor Freight is junk.
> >
> > Mike
>
2005-12-07 by grantfair2001
>
>
> Hello. Do you know where I can buy cheap PCB in small quantities?
>
>
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