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Inkjets/Lasers

2005-11-28 by Terry Mickelson

Which would you prefer?: An Epson ink jet with UV resistant inks,
printing green on
a transparancy or an hp 1300 Laser printing black on a transparancy.
Either printer
would be used with a negative photo resist.
2nd question:
Is there a darker toner available for the hp 1300?
3rd Question:
What are the numbers for the best ink jet color for use at UV?

Screw Driver to Drill Chuck Adaptor

2005-11-28 by pinoy_nyc@yahoo.com

Hello,


I just bought the $39.00 craftsman universal drill stand, so I can now start drilling PCBs. http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=00925923000&subcat=Drill+Doctor+%26+Drill+Attachments

This stand has its own Drill Chuck.
Then you can just mount almost any drill to drive the built in chuck.

I bought this stand since I thought I can use my power screwdriver to drive
the built in chuck, but I found out that the nose of the screwdriver is hex,
which wont be able to driver the built in chuck, which has a round connector,
and assume you'll be connecting a drill chuck on top of it.

is there some kind of an adaptor (from hex to round) so I can use my power screwdriver to drive the built in chuck?...

I hope you understand what I'm saying.

Thanks.




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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Screw Driver to Drill Chuck Adaptor

2005-11-28 by Mike Young

Screwdrivers are built for low-speed and high torque, the exact opposite of
what's needed for drilling small holes. It might be possible to set up a
gear drive using the hex drive, but that still leaves the problem of
coupling to the chuck.

----- Original Message -----
From: <pinoy_nyc@...>

> I bought this stand since I thought I can use my power screwdriver to
> drive
> the built in chuck, but I found out that the nose of the screwdriver is
> hex,
> which wont be able to driver the built in chuck, which has a round
> connector,
> and assume you'll be connecting a drill chuck on top of it.
>
> is there some kind of an adaptor (from hex to round) so I can use my
> power screwdriver to drive the built in chuck?...
>
> I hope you understand what I'm saying.

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Screw Driver to Drill Chuck Adaptor

2005-11-28 by Evan Dudzik

those drill stands also don't tend to have very high precision bearings or
mechanisms... the amount of wobble or other slop that is acceptable with a
1/4" drill bit is a LOT greater than the amount that's acceptable with a
tiny PCB drill bit...

-Evan

On 11/28/05, Mike Young <mikewhy@...> wrote:
>
> Screwdrivers are built for low-speed and high torque, the exact opposite
> of
> what's needed for drilling small holes. It might be possible to set up a
> gear drive using the hex drive, but that still leaves the problem of
> coupling to the chuck.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <pinoy_nyc@...>
>
> > I bought this stand since I thought I can use my power screwdriver to
> > drive
> > the built in chuck, but I found out that the nose of the screwdriver is
> > hex,
> > which wont be able to driver the built in chuck, which has a round
> > connector,
> > and assume you'll be connecting a drill chuck on top of it.
> >
> > is there some kind of an adaptor (from hex to round) so I can use my
> > power screwdriver to drive the built in chuck?...
> >
> > I hope you understand what I'm saying.
>
>
>
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Screw Driver to Drill Chuck Adaptor

2005-11-28 by Mike Young

The concentricity of the bearings on the chuck, and the chuck's ability to
center the bit accurately, are in question. I have to agree with Evan that
these are important considerations. Rotary tools with collets -- e.g.:
Dremels, Rotozips, routers, laminate trimmers -- will have less run-out than
a Jacobs chuck. Also, the higher speed is useful for making very small
holes.

All is not lost. The most important attribute is that it can guide a tool,
held somewhat rigidly, in a direction more or less perpendicular to the work
table. Certainly it's possible to drill a PCB even by hand (with some
gnashing and great peril to the bits); guiding one with press is already a
great improvement. If you can find a cheap Dremel, and some way to mount it
to the press, it would be close to an ideal drilling station. Bronze
grounding clamps found in the electrical department of Home Depot etc. are
almost custom made for holding their round-ish shapes.

[BTW: did anyone else catch the recent revival of the Rotozip? :) For future
reference, five years is about the right interval for re-introducing retail
flops. It lacked a usable base in its original incarnation. Adding one drove
its price up to where a real laminate trimmer is a viable alternative. I
suggest waiting a few months, and see if you can find something on overstock
for $30 or so. Its 30k rpm motor and huge cooling fan are what you're
after.]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Evan Dudzik" <evandude@...>
To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Screw Driver to Drill Chuck Adaptor


> those drill stands also don't tend to have very high precision bearings or
> mechanisms... the amount of wobble or other slop that is acceptable with a
> 1/4" drill bit is a LOT greater than the amount that's acceptable with a
> tiny PCB drill bit...
>
> -Evan
>
> On 11/28/05, Mike Young <mikewhy@...> wrote:
>>
>> Screwdrivers are built for low-speed and high torque, the exact opposite
>> of
>> what's needed for drilling small holes. It might be possible to set up a

Re: Screw Driver to Drill Chuck Adaptor

2005-11-28 by Dave

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Young" <mikewhy@s...> wrote:
>
> The concentricity of the bearings on the chuck, and the chuck's
ability to
> center the bit accurately, are in question. I have to agree with
Evan that
> these are important considerations. Rotary tools with collets -- e.g.:
> Dremels, Rotozips, routers, laminate trimmers -- will have less
run-out than
> a Jacobs chuck. Also, the higher speed is useful for making very small
> holes.

One of the problem with a collet mount is that it only accepts
certain sizes of bits. Fortunately, Dremel has a Jacobs style
chuck that will attach to the business end of a Dremel tool and
allow precision mounting of very tiny bits. It's item 4486, near
the bottom of this page:

http://www.dremel.com/HTML/products/accessories/accessories.pdf

Dave

> All is not lost. The most important attribute is that it can guide a
tool,
> held somewhat rigidly, in a direction more or less perpendicular to
the work
> table. Certainly it's possible to drill a PCB even by hand (with some
> gnashing and great peril to the bits); guiding one with press is
already a
> great improvement. If you can find a cheap Dremel, and some way to
mount it
> to the press, it would be close to an ideal drilling station. Bronze
> grounding clamps found in the electrical department of Home Depot
etc. are
> almost custom made for holding their round-ish shapes.
>
> [BTW: did anyone else catch the recent revival of the Rotozip? :)
For future
> reference, five years is about the right interval for re-introducing
retail
> flops. It lacked a usable base in its original incarnation. Adding
one drove
> its price up to where a real laminate trimmer is a viable
alternative. I
> suggest waiting a few months, and see if you can find something on
overstock
> for $30 or so. Its 30k rpm motor and huge cooling fan are what you're
> after.]

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Screw Driver to Drill Chuck Adaptor

2005-11-28 by Stefan Trethan

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:14:00 +0100, Dave <wa4qal@...> wrote:

> One of the problem with a collet mount is that it only accepts
>
> certain sizes of bits. Fortunately, Dremel has a Jacobs style
>
> chuck that will attach to the business end of a Dremel tool and
>
> allow precision mounting of very tiny bits. It's item 4486, near
>
> the bottom of this page:
>
>
> http://www.dremel.com/HTML/products/accessories/accessories.pdf
>
>
> Dave


That doesn't really change that jacobs chucks have awful runout, esp. the
cheaper ones (but then, dremel collets are probably no better).
I don't say there are no precision jacobs chucks, just that most aren't
precision.

Most carbide drills come with the same size shank, so i never changed the
collet, and for HSS the runout of a jacobs chuck doesn't matter anyway.
There are a few carbide drills out there with the shank same dia. as the
business end, but i simply avoid them.

ST

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Screw Driver to Drill Chuck Adaptor

2005-11-28 by Mike Young

Some might consider the fixed size an advantage. :) The mechanism is
inherently simpler, and centering can be much more accurate. I don't find
the "specialness" at all a handicap. Good carbide bits can be had rather
inexpensively:

http://store.yahoo.com/drillcity/pcbkit.html

Resharpened bits are just as serviceable, and cost under $1 each.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <wa4qal@...>
> One of the problem with a collet mount is that it only accepts
> certain sizes of bits. Fortunately, Dremel has a Jacobs style
> chuck that will attach to the business end of a Dremel tool and
> allow precision mounting of very tiny bits. It's item 4486, near
> the bottom of this page:
>
> http://www.dremel.com/HTML/products/accessories/accessories.pdf

Re: Screw Driver to Drill Chuck Adaptor

2005-11-29 by mikezcnc

they come in smaller packages for $6. The sizez are odd and few of
the 0.8 or 0.9mm diameter. They know what you need but they are
selling you all others too. However, the thin ones are great for
training mode. Mike

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "derekhawkins"
<derekhawkins@y...> wrote:
>
> >Good carbide bits can be had rather inexpensively
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?
itemnumber=34640
>
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Young" <mikewhy@s...>
wrote:
> >
>

Re: Screw Driver to Drill Chuck Adaptor

2005-11-29 by Ray Dinwiddie

Reading this series of posts begs my observations and solution to
drilling small lot PCBs. I found that the runout on Dremel and its
clones is too much for good carbide drill bit life. After trying 3
Dremels I found that all had runout of .010 to .015. Tryed multiple
collets with no improvement. The problem seemed to be that when the
unit is off and runout is measured it is near zero, but when turned
on the run out appears. With an 8 power loupe it can be seen at
startup. Never took the motors apart but I suspect that one or both
ends of the armature is rubber mounted as a shock absorber?.

That being said, I found a cheap single speed drill motor at Jameco
that has runout of less that .005. It is single speed (20k) and $30.
It is 1 11/16" Dia. and 4" long straight sided cylinder, greatly
simplifing mounting in a small drill press. Also the collect shaft
is about 1 1/2" long to give good field of view at the drill point.
It is imported and I suspect it has sleave bearings and thus not a
very long accurate life, but I can live with that given the very low
runout.

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "pinoy_nyc@y..."
<pinoy_nyc@y...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
> I just bought the $39.00 craftsman universal drill stand, so I
can now start drilling PCBs.
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?
BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=00925923000&subcat=Drill+Doctor+
%26+Drill+Attachments
>
> This stand has its own Drill Chuck.
> Then you can just mount almost any drill to drive the built in
chuck.
>
> I bought this stand since I thought I can use my power
screwdriver to drive
> the built in chuck, but I found out that the nose of the
screwdriver is hex,
> which wont be able to driver the built in chuck, which has a round
connector,
> and assume you'll be connecting a drill chuck on top of it.
>
> is there some kind of an adaptor (from hex to round) so I can
use my power screwdriver to drive the built in chuck?...
>
> I hope you understand what I'm saying.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
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Re: Screw Driver to Drill Chuck Adaptor

2005-11-29 by idaho_huckleberry

Is that Jameco part number 26702CE?

http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/catalogs/c254/P255.pdf


--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Ray Dinwiddie"
<crdinwiddie@e...> wrote:
>
> Reading this series of posts begs my observations and solution to
> drilling small lot PCBs. I found that the runout on Dremel and its
> clones is too much for good carbide drill bit life. After trying 3
> Dremels I found that all had runout of .010 to .015. Tryed multiple
> collets with no improvement. The problem seemed to be that when the
> unit is off and runout is measured it is near zero, but when turned
> on the run out appears. With an 8 power loupe it can be seen at
> startup. Never took the motors apart but I suspect that one or both
> ends of the armature is rubber mounted as a shock absorber?.
>
> That being said, I found a cheap single speed drill motor at Jameco
> that has runout of less that .005. It is single speed (20k) and
$30.
> It is 1 11/16" Dia. and 4" long straight sided cylinder, greatly
> simplifing mounting in a small drill press. Also the collect shaft
> is about 1 1/2" long to give good field of view at the drill point.
> It is imported and I suspect it has sleave bearings and thus not a
> very long accurate life, but I can live with that given the very
low
> runout.
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "pinoy_nyc@y..."
> <pinoy_nyc@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > I just bought the $39.00 craftsman universal drill stand, so I
> can now start drilling PCBs.
> http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?
>
BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=00925923000&subcat=Drill+Doctor+
> %26+Drill+Attachments
> >
> > This stand has its own Drill Chuck.
> > Then you can just mount almost any drill to drive the built in
> chuck.
> >
> > I bought this stand since I thought I can use my power
> screwdriver to drive
> > the built in chuck, but I found out that the nose of the
> screwdriver is hex,
> > which wont be able to driver the built in chuck, which has a
round
> connector,
> > and assume you'll be connecting a drill chuck on top of it.
> >
> > is there some kind of an adaptor (from hex to round) so I can
> use my power screwdriver to drive the built in chuck?...
> >
> > I hope you understand what I'm saying.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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Re: Screw Driver to Drill Chuck Adaptor

2005-11-29 by Ray Dinwiddie

Yes: The Jameco part no. is 26702CE.

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "idaho_huckleberry"
<dmiller45@j...> wrote:
>
> Is that Jameco part number 26702CE?
>
> http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/catalogs/c254/P255.pdf
>
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Ray Dinwiddie"
> <crdinwiddie@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Reading this series of posts begs my observations and solution
to
> > drilling small lot PCBs. I found that the runout on Dremel and
its
> > clones is too much for good carbide drill bit life. After trying
3
> > Dremels I found that all had runout of .010 to .015. Tryed
multiple
> > collets with no improvement. The problem seemed to be that when
the
> > unit is off and runout is measured it is near zero, but when
turned
> > on the run out appears. With an 8 power loupe it can be seen at
> > startup. Never took the motors apart but I suspect that one or
both
> > ends of the armature is rubber mounted as a shock absorber?.
> >
> > That being said, I found a cheap single speed drill motor at
Jameco
> > that has runout of less that .005. It is single speed (20k) and
> $30.
> > It is 1 11/16" Dia. and 4" long straight sided cylinder, greatly
> > simplifing mounting in a small drill press. Also the collect
shaft
> > is about 1 1/2" long to give good field of view at the drill
point.
> > It is imported and I suspect it has sleave bearings and thus not
a
> > very long accurate life, but I can live with that given the very
> low
> > runout.
> >
> > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "pinoy_nyc@y..."
> > <pinoy_nyc@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > >
> > > I just bought the $39.00 craftsman universal drill stand, so
I
> > can now start drilling PCBs.
> > http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?
> >
>
BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=00925923000&subcat=Drill+Doctor+
> > %26+Drill+Attachments
> > >
> > > This stand has its own Drill Chuck.
> > > Then you can just mount almost any drill to drive the built
in
> > chuck.
> > >
> > > I bought this stand since I thought I can use my power
> > screwdriver to drive
> > > the built in chuck, but I found out that the nose of the
> > screwdriver is hex,
> > > which wont be able to driver the built in chuck, which has a
> round
> > connector,
> > > and assume you'll be connecting a drill chuck on top of it.
> > >
> > > is there some kind of an adaptor (from hex to round) so I
can
> > use my power screwdriver to drive the built in chuck?...
> > >
> > > I hope you understand what I'm saying.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: Screw Driver to Drill Chuck Adaptor

2005-11-29 by lcdpublishing

This goes into the "don't do as I do" rule set, but, this is how I
have been drilling my PCB holes and have not had any troubles with
bits breaking.

I use a Delta drill press, It's a 16" model I think. It has a basic
jabobs chuck on it - not a precision one by any means. I run the
spindle at a "medium" speed - whatever it is set at. I know some
folks use a vice or even more fancy, and X-Y table & Vice to hold
the circuit board. When I drill, I put the circuit board on a piece
of flat wood (MDF or plywood) and slide it around with my left hand,
and drill the holes as normal. It's very fast, very efficient, and
I don't break drill bits doing it this way.

The only trick is that you have to hold the part down. If you don't
AND you feed too quickly, during breakout, the PCB slides up the
drill bit which can result in a broken drill. I use the carbide
drill bits which as you know are fragile and I seldom use a bit
smaller than .020" - most of the holes are around .024" or whatever
bit I have that is close to that.

If you are feed properly, the PCB will not have a tendancy to walk
up the bit and the bits stay in one piece. Many people that are new
to drill presses (and other machinery) prefer to hold their work
piece properly and I think they should too for safety reasons.

Just thought I would share my drilling process as it currently
stands. Once I get my PCB software upgraded, I will transition to
CNC drilling as I will then have the coordinates needed to do it.

Chris

Where to buy cheap PCB

2005-11-30 by pinoy_nyc@yahoo.com

Hello. Do you know where I can buy cheap PCB in small quantities?



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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Where to buy cheap PCB

2005-11-30 by Evan Dudzik

I have paid mere pennies per square inch for good quality single or
double-sided copper clad PCB from ebay auctions.

On 11/29/05, pinoy_nyc@... <pinoy_nyc@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hello. Do you know where I can buy cheap PCB in small quantities?
>
>
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Re: Screw Driver to Drill Chuck Adaptor

2005-11-30 by derekhawkins

>Have you used these?

Yes, I have both the 50 piece and 20 piece sets. Quality is good.
However, not many sizes are useful for typical thru hole components.

>I'm curious, because almost everything from Harbor Freight is junk.

With apologies to Forrest....."Harbor Freight is like a box of
chocolates. You never know what you're going to get..."


--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "upand_at_them"
<upand_at_them@y...> wrote:
>
> Have you used these? I'm curious, because almost everything from
> Harbor Freight is junk.
>
> Mike

Re: Screw Driver to Drill Chuck Adaptor

2005-11-30 by lcdpublishing

Derek,

Your Forrest quote is accurate in two regards:

1) Quality, you never know what your going to get
2) The sizes of the bits your going to get!

One set had a good assortment of drills the other had a good
assortment of mills - like a box of chocolates!

The quality of those bits though are generally really impressive.
Of the 100 bits I got, they all are very sharp and in good
condition. In fact, I would say they are in better condition than
the new stuff I have bought there!

Chris


--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "derekhawkins"
<derekhawkins@y...> wrote:
>
> >Have you used these?
>
> Yes, I have both the 50 piece and 20 piece sets. Quality is good.
> However, not many sizes are useful for typical thru hole
components.
>
> >I'm curious, because almost everything from Harbor Freight is
junk.
>
> With apologies to Forrest....."Harbor Freight is like a box of
> chocolates. You never know what you're going to get..."
>
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "upand_at_them"
> <upand_at_them@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Have you used these? I'm curious, because almost everything
from
> > Harbor Freight is junk.
> >
> > Mike
>

Re: Where to buy cheap PCB

2005-12-07 by grantfair2001

Try this guy - does lots of ham and hobby pcb's.

http://www.farcircuits.net/

Grant

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "pinoy_nyc@y..."
<pinoy_nyc@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Hello. Do you know where I can buy cheap PCB in small quantities?
>
>
>
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