Homebrew PCBs

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "ballendo" <ballendo@y...> 
wrote:
> Dave,
> 
> IMO you're way off the mark here... (And Steve has said so before. 
> There is nothing wrong--according to Steve, who OWNS the list--with 
> discussing ALL aspects of making "homebrew pcb's", INCLUDING making 
> cnc pcb drills and mills.  You were told this a few months ago, and 
> Steve even said he was surprised--and a bit disappointed--that you 
> felt the need to start new group due to YOUR interpretation of THIS 
> groups parameters... We talk about converting printer fusers into 
> laminators and inkjets into resist printers?!? Why NOT discuss 
> computerised homebrew pcb machines? 

Don't over react.

the poster said that free reign should be given to those who have 
some products, specifically, TurboCNC, Gecko, Xylotex...  and so on.

My response was to him, that the list topic is in the title. and the 
first line of the group home page.  let me quote it again 
"Making, etching, soldering printed circuit boards yourself."

re-read the home page.  I'll paraphrase  "professionals should not 
spam the list except about once a month"

My powers of observation and engineering and my above average 
fantastic insight and above average intelegence that G_d has given me 
has enabled me to read and understand those words.

You do not go to a bunch of mechanical engineers and ask about the 
specifics making pcbs.    I'm not sure why that is just so apparent 
to me and not a some others.....

 
> (BTW, If you want to see the results of over-moderation of topics 
on 
> a group, just look at the monthly postings "numbers" at the 
formerly 
> bustling CAD CAM EDM DRO yahoo group...)

You and I have had that conversation off list before your DIY-CNC 
list and we both predicted that many of the heavy hitters would opt 
for a list in which they are free to talk.  No argument from me on 
that.
 
> HAVING SAID all that, I am NOT "discussing" how to build a cnc 
> mill/drill/ (except to answer others questions; as in my recent how 
> to use a Sherline mill more effectively for Pcb's) 

I agree and I am HAPPY that you posted over here with your machine, 
and am looking forward to getting more details about it.  And will be 
happy to discuss how to make it work and all the ins's and outs with 
it as we start to get more experiance with it.  

I do predict that you will create a seperate list to discuss that 
machine in the near future.  If you too see that as an inevitablilty, 
then why is it that you feel the need to (I'll use your 
words) "dissapoint" Steve with yet another new group when this one is 
already established ?  Don't you see that is exactly what I have been 
saying ? that specialized things grow and the need becomes clear to 
collect the brain trust into a group that has a much higher level of  
experiance and learning for that specific area ?  ( when that day 
comes and you see that this list has some limits, I think you could 
offer Steve a free unit to ease his dissapointment)

But, as for your machine,  IT (your machine) fits the group dead 
center.  Talk about it all you want. I'm not trying to moderate you 
or anyone else.  I will speak my mind as many others have done.

And I would bet you a new machine that somewhere on some list I can 
find where you told someone to go to another list to get the answers 
to their question.  lemme see...if I can find a post from you, then I 
would get a machine.... if I can't then I'd buy one (at $500 of 
course)  

This is NOT the list to get answers on Geckos. plain as day.  it is 
also not the list you used to design your machine and select metals 
and finshes and structural components and even motor driver circuit 
boards.  If you would not use this list for such research why would 
you be offended if someone told someone else to go to a list the 
professionals in that other field for answers ?

This is the list to discuss your machine and it's abilities and the 
future options and such so don't hold back.  And don't think I am 
pointing fingers at you.  Just that if you have a question on 
Sherline mills, you will not get other mill owners on here to answer 
the questions and that another list exists for such a need.

But your machine fits well so give us more details.

"Homebrew_PCBs · Homebrew Printed Circuit Boards"
"Making, etching, soldering printed circuit boards yourself."


 
> I AM offering one as a COMPLETE kit. Including power 
> supply/interface, drives, motors, mechanicals AND software. At half 
> price to members of this list only (initially)
> 
> Ballendo