That's OK. I can wait. Who knows, I might even find a substitute during this time. So far, no luck... Rick -----Original Message----- From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Pickering Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 1:25 PM To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Easy Fast Laser Print DIY Circuit Boards - Dave's toner-transfer freezing technique Hi Rick Yes they are slow , my last order was about 5-6 weeks if I remember correctly ________________________________ From: Rick Sparber <rgsparber@...> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 16:47 Subject: RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Easy Fast Laser Print DIY Circuit Boards - Dave's toner-transfer freezing technique David, I spent a full day trying to merge your procedure with silicone coated paper (parchment paper). The results are not good enough. Lines a few thou wide are too light. Text around 5 thou wide have a few places where the toner did not release from the paper and fuse to the copper plate. As I run my finger over the toner that did transfer, it does not fall off. My conclusion is that the silicone coated paper holds onto the toner just a bit too much. I placed an order for the paper you recommended but I believe it is literally on a slow boat from China. Expect to get it by September 4th at the latest. Rick -----Original Message----- From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Pickering Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 11:07 PM To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Easy Fast Laser Print DIY Circuit Boards - Dave's toner-transfer freezing technique Hi John Darkest print option will make everything dark which is what we don't want. If your printer gives the options, go into graphics and select best quality print, and under Text tab set darkest settings, which will give you more toner on the text and darken text only. Also if there is a Tab for sharpen Text make sure its not Ticked because it tends to give a sawtooth effect around the edges of what your printing. Regards Dave ________________________________ From: Pict <pict@...> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 30 July 2013, 18:13 Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Easy Fast Laser Print DIY Circuit Boards - Dave's toner-transfer freezing technique Did you adjust the printer for the darkest print possible? There's usually a setting from the printer control panel or possibly via the driver. Regards, John From: Rick Sparber <rgsparber@...> Reply-To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 09:30:35 -0700 To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Easy Fast Laser Print DIY Circuit Boards - Dave's toner-transfer freezing technique I'm not "there" yet but am getting close. The silicone based parchment paper does give up most but not all of its toner after 10 cycles through the laminator and 30 minutes in the freezer. I think my main problem right now is toner density. The artwork is not a solid black. So any thin spots in the artwork appears as thin spots on the copper. However, where there is toner, it solidly fuses to the copper which is great. So now I am waiting for the laminator to heat back up so I can run a better print through it. If this does not work, I will go to a positive artwork format so only black letters are present on a white background. Less toner so probably it will be darker. That will mean more copper to etch which means longer etch time. The longer the time, the higher the probability that the toner will breakdown. Bottom line: David's process is showing a lot of promise even though I am taking liberties with the paper. Rick -----Original Message----- From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Rick Sparber Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:58 AM To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Easy Fast Laser Print DIY Circuit Boards - Dave's toner-transfer freezing technique The test has begun. I printed out some artwork using Microsoft Word and my HP laser printer. I'm using silicone based parchment paper. The artwork is mostly black with white letters so the letters should etch out. I used the "WordArt" feature inside Word to mirror image the text. I cut out one of the four test coupons and taped it at the ends on a piece of thin copper plate. I'm using 3M Matte Finish Magic Tape. I then ran it through my laminator 10 times. It is now in the freezer with 21 minutes to go. One mistake I think I made was to not tape it all the way around. Before placing in the freezer, I saw places on the side where the artwork lifted up. If this is a show stopper, I will clean off the copper and use another coupon. Using the laminator is pure genus! Rick -----Original Message----- From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of David Pickering Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:07 AM To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Easy Fast Laser Print DIY Circuit Boards - Dave's toner-transfer freezing technique That's the one Robin As I said it does come in rolls and its quite thin so you will need to flatten it out, if in no rush just put it between some books for a couple of days, if urgent just run it through the laminator a couple of times ________________________________ From: Robin Whittle <rw@....au <mailto:rw%40firstpr.com.au> > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, 30 July 2013, 8:05 Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Easy Fast Laser Print DIY Circuit Boards - Dave's toner-transfer freezing technique Hi Dave, Thanks - I ordered this material: http://www.ebay.com/itm/170900415631 A4 10Pcs Sheets Heat Toner Transfer Paper For DIY PCB Electronic Prototype 1,677 sold. It cost AUD$2.21 including shipping from Hong Kong from seller http://myworld.ebay.com/shcfstore. - Robin On 2013-07-30 4:39 PM, David Pickering wrote: > The paper and supplier that I have been using is on the page you > sent marked dib-bid and the suppliers name is shcfstore. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and Photos: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and Photos: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and Photos: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! 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RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Easy Fast Laser Print DIY Circuit Boards - Dave's toner-transfer freezing technique
2013-08-02 by Rick Sparber