Hi, I worked in the semi industry for a while. They are fastidious about keeping static down to a minimum. And rightly so. The reason is more subtle. Your analogy about driving doesn't really address the issue and really tends to obfuscate the issue. But what the heck, let's stay with the driving example. If I drive my car at 200kph over few pot holes it's likely I won't wreck the car but perhaps I've started a small crack in a tie rod or suspension member. Now since I rarely drive 200kph I really don't run the car at the limit so the crack which is slowly getting bigger doesn't impact the operation of the vehicle so much that I'd notice. Then one day I hit a tiny bump in the road and the crack fractures completely causing the car to veer right, killing the 7 year old girl at the cross walk. It's chalked up to mechanical failure and perhaps someone tries to sue the automaker. There's no real causal relationship with the pot holes a few years ago yet the little girl died. Extreme example? Yes. Much like I've yet to be hit by lightning yet a number of people die from that every year and knowing that I avoid swimming in the lake in a lightning storm. In the electronic component industry that high voltage low current zap (which if under 5Kv you can't really feel) can be enough to damage but not destroy the device. This is key. The rise time of a switch may go from 8nS to 14nS. That op amp may be a tad noisier or generate a tiny bit more heat through a higher resistance junction than a non-damaged part. It's the partial unseen damage that can cause issues. Not today. Not tomorrow. But maybe next week or next month or next year. That junction wasn't designed to be that thin or to run that hot. Over time, the heat takes a toll and eventually the part and the product fails. Not everyone who builds PCBs at home builds frivolous projects that do no harm when they fail. A failed milling machine controller that has the table move erratically destroys a tool bit snapping it off and flinging it across the room or into someone is always a possibility, even if small. But worse I believe you are doing a disservice to manufacturers who sell kits or board level products with a long term warranty. Telling people that it's all right to ignore anti static procedures invites potential damage that you don't have to pay for. Someone takes your advice and treats electronics roughly and it fails 5 weeks later. There's no causal relationship to your advice and the failed part so you don't have to take any responsibility. Best Regards, John Dammeyer Automation Artisans Inc. http://www.autoartisans.com/ELS/ Ph. 1 250 544 4950 -----Original Message----- From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Trethan Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 12:49 AM To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] PCB holder What's wrong with staying realistic about risk? We could do all sorts of things safer - say reduce traffic deaths to almost zero by driving no faster than 20mph, and yet we do not do it. Here no lifes are at risk - just $1 components, why let yourself be slowed down with ESD measures? Having used only minimal ESD precautions all my life and never seen a failure, and frequently testing designs with ESD guns gives me some confidence that there is a certain amount of unwarranted hype associated with this topic. Would you care to elaborate using specific examples of how you damaged components with ESD? For some reason peope never can back their fear up with specific incidents when I prompt them. The examples should _not_ involve either a huge production quantity (where the statistics get you), or very early CMOS components (which were much more sensitive). This is similar to the temperature when soldering issue. There are old books and stuff that suggest clamping heatsink tweezers onto semiconductors while soldering, and generally put the fear of god into beginners. When they ask for advise I have to first disabuse them of the notion that components will just blow up as soon as they get slightly warm. Modern components can withstand soldering heat to an amazing degree. It is not helpful to overrate risk, it just puts people off when they really should be getting stuck into some hands on experience. I let the magic smoke out so many times with stupid mistakes, why worry about one or two components that may or may not have been damaged by ESD? ST On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Boman33 <boman33@... <mailto:boman33%40vinland.com> > wrote: > You might be lucky but do not spread bad info. > > Bertho > > > > From: Stefan Trethan Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 02:28 > > > > Come on people, stay realistic. > Steve is most likely not going to make assemblies for an aircraft or > anything like that. > Nor is he going to run thousands of boards a day from his homemade PCB > holder. > > In a typical home shop or even development lab setting you'll not > notice the effects of ESD measures - there just aren't any failures > even if you take no measures at all. > ---<snip > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] PCB holder
2011-12-24 by John Dammeyer
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