This is just speculation with a sprinkling of theory, but it seems to me that the whole electrostatic attraction thing does better on edges and thin lines than it does on large areas. Certainly I remember most photocopies rapidly losing filled areas while the edges got "ringy" Because of this (assuming it's true of course), I've never had a problem with a "pit" breaking a trace, only in pours or large pads where they're not electrically a problem. I also noticed, after I posted the photo, that the genuine-toner board I tried most recently is exhibiting what are clearly (air) bubbles under the toner which have prevented adhesion (the one I posted to show what a trapped hair could do<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs/photos/album/809517956/pic/2133723863/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc>), whereas I haven't had such a problem with the (much more empty) generic toner I was using before. So my theory is that the pitting *helped* by allowing trapped air to escape thru the paper and got me better adhesion. I usually splash a bit of nail polish on my bigger pour areas to alleviate the pitting. PG On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:59 PM, DJ Delorie <dj@...> wrote: > ** > > > > DaveC <davec2468@...> writes: > > I wonder if those temps are absolute or if they depend of you're > > using an iron or a laminator. > > Each toner "recipe" has a specific temperature at which it is plastic > (and sticky) but not liquid. Ideally, you want to heat it to exactly > that temperature, so it sticks to the copper but doesn't deform. > However, that's harder than you'd think. So, each one of us needs to > come up with a pattern of device + temperature + #passes that results in > the toner hitting that "plastic" state. Lower temperature but more > passes? Should work. Higher temperature, fewer passes? Should work. > > > > But after etch, it looks like there were some pinholes in the toner: > > I always get this, I suspect we just can't tell modern printers to put > down enough toner to make a really thick mask. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Toner transfer temperature?
2011-11-15 by Piers Goodhew
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