Hello Miles, thank you for your input. As you probably guessed, I am an old Newbie.... Good to see all the helpful advice from others that have perfected methods before me. With the terrific help coming from this site, I will soon be ready to have my first crack at making a test board. Using things like different line thicknesses and clearances. I have a laminator that I have used over the years, oddly enough, for laminating. Will give it a try when I get to that stage. Kind regards, Rod From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mmccoo Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2011 1:32 AM To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Newbie Presentation paper is what I use. I think of it was blank magazine paper. Magazine paper works well for me too, but using the blank stuff makes it a bit easier to see what's where. Also, with some of my ground planes, you can see the text of the paper on the final etched board. I imagine it also helps line things up when doing 2 sided, though my experience with that is limited. I much prefer a laminator over the iron. my results improved a lot when I got one. you should be able to find one new for $25 or $30. I've also read (and perhaps someone can comment on this) of a trick to further improve things. I haven't tried it yet, but it makes sense. After you've removed the paper, but before etch, bake it in the oven. I interpret this as allowing the toner to remelt and even out a bit. take advantage of cohesion. Miles --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> , "freespamfree" <freespamfree@...> wrote: > > Sorry if this has been answered before but so far I have read that people use shiny paper. What type of paper seems to work good for the toner transfer method? I was thinking something in-expensive like magazine paper. > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> , Piers Goodhew <piers@> wrote: > > > > G'day Rod, > > > > I use the edge of the iron - no holes and more pressure (plus various passes of the flat of it - if you're moving the holes don't have much effect). If you're doing any sort of volume, I think a laminator would make a lot of sense. But I'm not doing volume. The fact that our generic toner cart's getting low is causing a lot more trouble than lack-of-stick-to-the-board. > > > > PG > > > > On 19/05/2011, at 2:56 PM, Rodney Jackson wrote: > > > > > G'day John, > > > I have thought of using this method, the problem is, I am unable to find an > > > old flat iron (as different from steam iron) > > > I know not to use water in a steam iron but the things these days have too > > > many holes in the soul plate. > > > Suppose I could still use one and keep using an ironing motion to cover the > > > board completely with even amounts of heat. > > > Will look on the past posts and check out your photo's. > > > > > > Thank you for your reply John > > > > > > Rod > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> ] > > > On Behalf Of John Clonts > > > Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2011 10:42 AM > > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Newbie > > > > > > Hi Rod, > > > > > > I'm brand new at this too. I used the laserjet toner method. I got an HP > > > P1102w laser jet on ebay for $60. Printed on a junk mail "slick" page, and > > > ironed on the board (I bought a $22 laminator but I don't think it gets hot > > > enough so I used the iron). Etched with the FeCl. I was extremely pleased > > > with my first result. See my photos I just posted last week under "JCC > > > First Board". > > > > > > Cheers, > > > John > > > > > > On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Rodney Jackson < > > > rodney.jackson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for that Erik, I do not have a CNC mill, unfortunately, I was going > > > > to try building one as I was able to afford to, but the old body is a > > > > little > > > > too shaky these days for such precision work. > > > > > > > > I have tried the ferric acid route before, this was in the days of laying > > > > tracks with the strips and pads transfers. I might have to look for a > > > cheap > > > > laser printer and have another crack at it that way. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rod > > > > > > > > From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> ] > > > > On Behalf Of Erik Knise > > > > Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2011 4:12 AM > > > > > > > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Newbie > > > > > > > > Rod, > > > > > > > > There are 3 different methods people usually use. Positive or > > > > negative photo resist, toner transfer and milling. It really depends > > > > on what equipment you have or want to buy. If you have a CNC mill > > > > then milling the boards may be a better option. If you have a high > > > > resolution (1200 DPI) laser printer and a laminator, toner transfer > > > > would be a good option. I've seen great results with the photo resist > > > > but I've never tried it and not sure what is involved. > > > > > > > > As for etching a lot of people use air regenerated Cupric Chloride. > > > > Ferric chloride is an option but cupric chloride you can pretty much > > > > use indefinitely by regenerating it with air or hydrogen peroxide. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Erik L. Knise > > > > Seattle, WA > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Rodney Jackson > > > > <rodney.jackson@ <mailto:rodney.jackson%40optusnet.com.au> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thank you Erik for your reply. I have been trawling through the site you > > > > > mentioned, it is indeed full of useful information. > > > > > > > > > > Seems like I will be days in getting through it all. I have made boards > > > > in > > > > > years past, these were by using stick on tracks and pads, a most arduous > > > > > task and the results looked very much what > > > > > > > > > > they were, __amateurish. > > > > > > > > > > There is a wealth of information in this world, one only has to FIND > > > it.. > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > > > Rod. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> ] > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Erik Knise > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2011 12:28 AM > > > > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > > > > Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Newbie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the members here, DJ Delorie, has an awesome website: > > > > > http://www.delorie.com/pcb/ > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Rodney <rodney.jackson@ > > > > <mailto:rodney.jackson%40optusnet.com.au> > > > > > <mailto:rodney.jackson%40optusnet.com.au> > wrote: > > > > >> G'day all, > > > > >> as a newbie I guess this is the first question asked by all other > > > > newbies. > > > > > Could you point me to a F.A.Q. area where I might get some idea of > > > making > > > > > PCB's. I.E. best methods, how to reuse an old deskjet printer, etc... > > > > >> > > > > >> Kind regards, > > > > >> Rod > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Erik L. Knise > > > > > Seattle, WA > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and Photos: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Newbie
2011-05-21 by Rodney Jackson