I've read they're great for making fpc's ... my previous employer had one and I can certify only that they're 100 no good for traditional toner transfer because the wax soaks straight into the paper when heated - perfect absorbtion PG ---- Sent on an old timey phone. 'Scuse the typos etc. -original message- Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Phaser solid ink printersparently must come from the lower tray From: "Mark Lerman" <mlerman@...> Date: 25/03/2011 08:48 A couple of people on the list have mentioned using Xerox solid ink printers to make pcbs, so I thought I'd take a look. These machines print by depositing melted wax on a large rotating aluminum drum then rolling heated paper over the drum to transfer the image. This would seem ideal because the wax is an excellent etch resist so that you should be able to just print and etch. I bought a used Xerox Phaser 8400 for $100 on ebay. My preliminary thoughts/observations: 1 - These are big, heavy machines, 65# (30Kg). They take up a lot of space. 2 - They take 20 minute or so to warm up and use (waste) a lot of ink when they start up. 3 - There is an incredible amount of system and component checking during the warm up period. 4 - There are a LOT of sensors, making it hard to force this machine to do things it wasn't designed to do. That said, one simple way to use them is to print on thin pcb board. I ran a piece of ss .009 mil board through and got an excellent print right off the bat. I could simply glue this to a thicker piece of FR4 and I would have a very simple method of making pcbs. I haven't etched a board yet, but others have said this is no problem. Since I don't have a lot of this thin pcb material, I don't want to etch right now, but I'll let you know. After taking the paper path apart, I *think* I can straighten the path enough to run .062 board through, but I'm not 100% sure. There would certainly have to be a microprocessor to simulate a number of the sensors because there are quite a few paper sensors. In fact, the paper trays even have sensors that tell the printer how wide and how long the paper is as well as when the tray is empty! Another problem is that when the printer is first powered up it prints this very full page that must come from tray 2. Since the paper stops for awhile in the paper preheater before moving onward, the preheater (which has both entrance and exit sensors) has to be emulated in software. Other problems are that every 50 pages the transfer roller is oiled, and every time there is an error the printer prints 'Chase" pages to clean off the drum. Finally, there is the problem of preheating the board. A .062 pcb can fit through the preheater, but I have no idea whether it can heat the copper fast enough for the wax ink to transfer properly. Lots of engineering challenges. I have put a data logger on the relevant sensors and will now try to make the printer print with emulated sensors. If that works, I can then see if full thickness boards can pass. I'll let you know! Mark
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RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Phaser solid ink printersparently must come from the lower tray
2011-03-24 by piers@u-h-p.com
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