> Posted by: "Dave M" dgminala@... > <dgminala@...?Subject=+Re%3A%20Roland%20DXY%20800%2F880> snurfl > <http://profiles.yahoo.com/snurfl> Sun Jan 9, 2011 6:44 am (PST) > > Ridge Electronics has the manual at > https://www.ridgeequipment.com/store/manuals/search.php?query=roland. Not > free, but very reasonable. These guys are good vendors. I've bought many > manuals from them; never had a problem. > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: davethesteam@... <davethesteam%40mailsaq.net> > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 2:30 PM > Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Roland DXY 800/880 > > Hi, I'm a new user so I'm not 100% sure how this works, so here goes: I > have a Roland DXY-880A plotter but I can't get it to work as I don't have a > > manual and I have mucked-up the switch settings. Do you (or anyone) have > anything you can send me with the DIP switch settings on, I'd be happy to > buy a manual or photocopy if anyone has anything available. I've tried > everywhere to get a manual or switch info and even Roland can't help. I've > found lots of people looking though :-) > > TIA > > David > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>, > Trevor Matthews <bigtrev97@...> > wrote: > > > > I have used direct plotting to PCB in the past, and gave it up a few > years > > ago. I had ink flow problems which would result in the traces not being > > draw thickly enough several times through a plot. I was using 0.35mm pen > > (so that I could do some thin traces) and I don't know if a larger pen > size > > would help. I wrote a Dephi (pascal) prgram which took the plot file and > > after a length of drawn line, inserted a number of pen up, backspace, > pen > > down commands to 'shake' the pen and try and get more ink to the tip. > > > > If you want to try here are some of the things you need to know: > > > > You need to use a tungsten carbide 'X' point tip (the other tips are too > > soft) > > the pen is raised up by the addition of a washer placed below the ring > of > > the pen holder - experimentation will show you how low to put the ring > so > > that the pen holder can pick it up, and how high to put it so that the > pen > > tip is still flat on the surface of the board. > > tape a peice of paper to the bed, and plot the board to the paper > > Tape an oversized piece of PCB over the plot drawn above. > > Fill the pen with ink (I tried for ages to find the right one, it was a > > steadler ink. I think I still might have some at home if you want me to > dig > > out the part number, but IIRR it was out of production the last time I > > bought some) > > Plot the board > > clean the pen - the only way to do this close to properly is to use an > > ultrasonic cleaning bath. I ended up dissasembling the pen while > cleaning > > (I'm told you shouldn't really do this!) as it could easily spent a > couple > > of hours in the bath with me changing the solvent every 10 mins or so. > > then etch and protect the board as usual.\ > > > > I eventually gave up due to the trace issue above, and I couldn't > > translate it to double sided with any degree of accuracy. > > > > Trev > > > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:26 AM, <casy_ch@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > Could you send me your private adress to <casy_ch at tbwil dot ch>. I > have > > > files for you. > > > > > > Jean-Claude > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: VK3YV > > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com><Homebrew_PCBs% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 4:23 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work? > > > > > > Hi Jean-Claude, that is a big help, now I need to know the DIP switch > > > settings, I will be using the parallel port, and hopefully be able to > use > > > it > > > with win xp, do you still have the dip switch settings? > > > Many thanks, > > > Don VK3YV........ > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <casy_ch@... <casy_ch%40tbwil.ch>> > > > To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com><Homebrew_PCBs% > 40yahoogroups.com>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:08 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work? > > > > > > > Hi Don > > > > > > > > In the past I have had a DXY800 and later a DXY1150. > > > > > > > > All use HPGL (Hewlett Packard Graphic Language). Your programm > should > > > have > > > > a HPGL driver and will generate a <xx.PLT> file. > > > > > > > > If you go to: > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPGL > > > > you will find the language it is using. > > > > > > > > 73 de Jean-Claude, Switzerland > > > > HE9EZX > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: VK3YV > > > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com><Homebrew_PCBs% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:02 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, on seeing you are using a Roland Plotter for pcb drawing I have > a > > > > query, > > > > I have a Roland DXY 800 for which I have no information i.e.. dip > switch > > > > settings etc. that I would also like to use for PCB work. I have no > > > > information at all about it , I don't even know what language it > talks. > > > > Can > > > > any one help, I have searched for hours but cant find anything > regarding > > > > setup or language/ emulation . > > > > Regards, > > > > Don VK3YV..... > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "P COUNSELL" <pcounsell@...<pcounsell%40btinternet.com> > > > > > > > > To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> > <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:54 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work? > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately athough I have some pens whuch were designed for > pcbs > > > > they > > > > > are no longer availabe for rowland plotters. I do not see that as > a big > > > > > problem . I intend to use EDDING 404 PEN TIPS with edding 404 > refill > > > > ink > > > > > with a homemade holder. I will first try recharging my existing > tips > > > > when > > > > > they run out with EDDING PERMANENT MARKER REFILL INK, I expect > this to > > > > > work fine. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: P COUNSELL > > > > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> > <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 10:41 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I modified my DXY880a very easily by using a piece of standard pcb > > > > board > > > > > so that the pen height was perfect for standard thickness pcbs. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: borgrailuk > > > > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> > <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 9:30 PM > > > > > Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work? > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Sounds interesting. How did you modify the plotter pen height and > which > > > > > pens/ink did you use? > > > > > > > > > > I have a DXY1200 - not too keen to modify height but am planning > on > > > > using > > > > > a slightly thinner pcb, which will fit. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Freeman > > > > > > > > > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> > <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "P COUNSELL" <pcounsell@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a very good dos program CADPAK and I use an old rowland > > > > DXY-880A > > > > > plotter. Results are fantastic . I modified the height of the > plotter > > > > pen > > > > > to accomodate standard thickness PCB board. Only problem is it > wont do > > > > > tracks fine enough for intertrack knecking , itis also very slow > on > > > > > printing directly onto the copperlaminate but I have a cup of tea. > Fine > > > > > for prototyping. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Bob Butcher > > > > > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> > <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 9:53 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Inkjet or Laser for PCB work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had a lot of trouble with toner transfer as well. My > Brother > > > > > 1440 laser printer toner will not release reliably from any paper > I > > > > have > > > > > found. I have heard the toner has a higher melting temperature > than > > > > some > > > > > other printers, but am not sure what the problem is. > > > > > > I am not sure how you plan to modify the Artisan 50 inkjet > printer to > > > > > directly print on the rigid PCB material. Another thing to > consider, > > > > most > > > > > of the ink jet ink I have seen is water soluble, so the etchant > will > > > > > dissolve the ink before it has a chance. I know there are ink jet > > > > printers > > > > > that are capable of using solvent based inks, but all the ones I > have > > > > seen > > > > > are very expensive, in the several thousands of dollar range. You > can > > > > buy > > > > > inexpensive "paint pens" from art and craft stores that might be > useful > > > > > > > if > > > > > you could find a flat bed printer that could be adapted to pens. I > have > > > > > > > on > > > > > old large format HP printer designed for CAD drafting that uses > pens, > > > > but > > > > > the pen only moves on one axis, and the paper is fed back and > forth by > > > > a > > > > > roller system for the other axis. The paper is wrapped around the > > > > rollers, > > > > > so it cannot be easily adapted to a rigid PCB. If someone had a > flat > > > > bed > > > > > printer with a moving pen on two axes, that might work. Sounds > like an > > > > old > > > > > school > > > > > > chart recorder might work, if you could find a working model > that > > > > would > > > > > interface to a modern computer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/21/10, gnuvvekaavaali <gnuvvekaavaali@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gnuvvekaavaali <gnuvvekaavaali@> > > > > > > Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Inkjet or Laser for PCB work? > > > > > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> > <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 12:22 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am looking for suggestions on the choice of > > > > > > > > > > > > Inkjet (for direct inkjet printing) or laser > > > > > > > > > > > > printer (toner transfer) for the occasional single sided PCB. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see I will be needing very thin or dense tracks. > > > > > > > > > > > > My experience with toner transfer have not been too good. I > > > > > > > > > > > > used a Samsung Laser printer, and a hot clothes iron, > > > > > > > > > > > > with different types of paper. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best results have been with glossy magazine paper, but still > > > > > > > > > > > > had some improper transfers. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Epson Artisan 50 inkjet seems to be moddable for direct pcb > > > > > printing, and I can get that for cheap. > > > > > > > > > > > > Wondering if this is a easier and reliable way than toner > transfer. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > ------ > > > > > > > > > > Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, > and > > > > > Photos: > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! 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Re: Building an etching tank?
2011-01-10 by Mike Bushroe