David By sheer coincidence, I happened to be packing up my Roland DXY-880, along with its later big brother the DXY-1100, ready to move house, immediately before reading your post. Fortunately, while I don't have a manual for the DXY-1100, I do have one for the DXY-880. I have never used mine, having picked it up with some other items in an auction some years back. Most of the manual concerns itself with describing set-ups for particular PC boxes that were in vogue back in 1984, along with setting up for particular software packages, such as Lotus 123, Supercalc etc. I had forgotten how specific everything tended to be in the pre-Windows environment. I can see only one page that seems to cover the DIP Switch settings in their entirety, so I will scan it and send it to your email address, as I dont think Yahoo permits attachments being sent via the group. Bill On 9/01/2011 7:30 AM, davethesteam@... wrote: > > Hi, I'm a new user so I'm not 100% sure how this works, so here goes: I have a Roland DXY-880A plotter but I can't get it to work as I don't have a manual and I have mucked-up the switch settings. Do you (or anyone) have anything you can send me with the DIP switch settings on, I'd be happy to buy a manual or photocopy if anyone has anything available. I've tried everywhere to get a manual or switch info and even Roland can't help. I've found lots of people looking though :-) > > TIA > > David > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Trevor Matthews<bigtrev97@...> wrote: >> I have used direct plotting to PCB in the past, and gave it up a few years >> ago. I had ink flow problems which would result in the traces not being >> draw thickly enough several times through a plot. I was using 0.35mm pen >> (so that I could do some thin traces) and I don't know if a larger pen size >> would help. I wrote a Dephi (pascal) prgram which took the plot file and >> after a length of drawn line, inserted a number of pen up, backspace, pen >> down commands to 'shake' the pen and try and get more ink to the tip. >> >> If you want to try here are some of the things you need to know: >> >> You need to use a tungsten carbide 'X' point tip (the other tips are too >> soft) >> the pen is raised up by the addition of a washer placed below the ring of >> the pen holder - experimentation will show you how low to put the ring so >> that the pen holder can pick it up, and how high to put it so that the pen >> tip is still flat on the surface of the board. >> tape a peice of paper to the bed, and plot the board to the paper >> Tape an oversized piece of PCB over the plot drawn above. >> Fill the pen with ink (I tried for ages to find the right one, it was a >> steadler ink. I think I still might have some at home if you want me to dig >> out the part number, but IIRR it was out of production the last time I >> bought some) >> Plot the board >> clean the pen - the only way to do this close to properly is to use an >> ultrasonic cleaning bath. I ended up dissasembling the pen while cleaning >> (I'm told you shouldn't really do this!) as it could easily spent a couple >> of hours in the bath with me changing the solvent every 10 mins or so. >> then etch and protect the board as usual.\ >> >> I eventually gave up due to the trace issue above, and I couldn't >> translate it to double sided with any degree of accuracy. >> >> Trev >> >> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:26 AM,<casy_ch@...> wrote: >> >>> >>> Don >>> >>> Could you send me your private adress to<casy_ch at tbwil dot ch>. I have >>> files for you. >>> >>> Jean-Claude >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: VK3YV >>> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> >>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 4:23 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work? >>> >>> Hi Jean-Claude, that is a big help, now I need to know the DIP switch >>> settings, I will be using the parallel port, and hopefully be able to use >>> it >>> with win xp, do you still have the dip switch settings? >>> Many thanks, >>> Don VK3YV........ >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From:<casy_ch@...<casy_ch%40tbwil.ch>> >>> To:<Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:08 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work? >>> >>>> Hi Don >>>> >>>> In the past I have had a DXY800 and later a DXY1150. >>>> >>>> All use HPGL (Hewlett Packard Graphic Language). Your programm should >>> have >>>> a HPGL driver and will generate a<xx.PLT> file. >>>> >>>> If you go to: >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPGL >>>> you will find the language it is using. >>>> >>>> 73 de Jean-Claude, Switzerland >>>> HE9EZX >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: VK3YV >>>> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:02 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, on seeing you are using a Roland Plotter for pcb drawing I have a >>>> query, >>>> I have a Roland DXY 800 for which I have no information i.e.. dip switch >>>> settings etc. that I would also like to use for PCB work. I have no >>>> information at all about it , I don't even know what language it talks. >>>> Can >>>> any one help, I have searched for hours but cant find anything regarding >>>> setup or language/ emulation . >>>> Regards, >>>> Don VK3YV..... >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "P COUNSELL"<pcounsell@...<pcounsell%40btinternet.com> >>>> >>>> To:<Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:54 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work? >>>> >>>>> Unfortunately athough I have some pens whuch were designed for pcbs >>>> they >>>>> are no longer availabe for rowland plotters. I do not see that as a big >>>>> problem . I intend to use EDDING 404 PEN TIPS with edding 404 refill >>>> ink >>>>> with a homemade holder. I will first try recharging my existing tips >>>> when >>>>> they run out with EDDING PERMANENT MARKER REFILL INK, I expect this to >>>>> work fine. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: P COUNSELL >>>>> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 10:41 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I modified my DXY880a very easily by using a piece of standard pcb >>>> board >>>>> so that the pen height was perfect for standard thickness pcbs. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: borgrailuk >>>>> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 9:30 PM >>>>> Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Inkjet or Laser for PCB work? >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Sounds interesting. How did you modify the plotter pen height and which >>>>> pens/ink did you use? >>>>> >>>>> I have a DXY1200 - not too keen to modify height but am planning on >>>> using >>>>> a slightly thinner pcb, which will fit. >>>>> >>>>> Stephen Freeman >>>>> >>>>> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>, >>> "P COUNSELL"<pcounsell@> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> I have a very good dos program CADPAK and I use an old rowland >>>> DXY-880A >>>>> plotter. Results are fantastic . I modified the height of the plotter >>>> pen >>>>> to accomodate standard thickness PCB board. Only problem is it wont do >>>>> tracks fine enough for intertrack knecking , itis also very slow on >>>>> printing directly onto the copperlaminate but I have a cup of tea. Fine >>>>> for prototyping. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Bob Butcher >>>>>> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 9:53 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Inkjet or Laser for PCB work? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have had a lot of trouble with toner transfer as well. My Brother >>>>> 1440 laser printer toner will not release reliably from any paper I >>>> have >>>>> found. I have heard the toner has a higher melting temperature than >>>> some >>>>> other printers, but am not sure what the problem is. >>>>>> I am not sure how you plan to modify the Artisan 50 inkjet printer to >>>>> directly print on the rigid PCB material. Another thing to consider, >>>> most >>>>> of the ink jet ink I have seen is water soluble, so the etchant will >>>>> dissolve the ink before it has a chance. I know there are ink jet >>>> printers >>>>> that are capable of using solvent based inks, but all the ones I have >>>> seen >>>>> are very expensive, in the several thousands of dollar range. You can >>>> buy >>>>> inexpensive "paint pens" from art and craft stores that might be useful >>>> if >>>>> you could find a flat bed printer that could be adapted to pens. I have >>>> on >>>>> old large format HP printer designed for CAD drafting that uses pens, >>>> but >>>>> the pen only moves on one axis, and the paper is fed back and forth by >>>> a >>>>> roller system for the other axis. The paper is wrapped around the >>>> rollers, >>>>> so it cannot be easily adapted to a rigid PCB. If someone had a flat >>>> bed >>>>> printer with a moving pen on two axes, that might work. Sounds like an >>>> old >>>>> school >>>>>> chart recorder might work, if you could find a working model that >>>> would >>>>> interface to a modern computer. >>>>>> Bob >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On Wed, 7/21/10, gnuvvekaavaali<gnuvvekaavaali@> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> From: gnuvvekaavaali<gnuvvekaavaali@> >>>>>> Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Inkjet or Laser for PCB work? >>>>>> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> >>>>>> Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 12:22 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I am looking for suggestions on the choice of >>>>>> >>>>>> Inkjet (for direct inkjet printing) or laser >>>>>> >>>>>> printer (toner transfer) for the occasional single sided PCB. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't see I will be needing very thin or dense tracks. >>>>>> >>>>>> My experience with toner transfer have not been too good. I >>>>>> >>>>>> used a Samsung Laser printer, and a hot clothes iron, >>>>>> >>>>>> with different types of paper. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best results have been with glossy magazine paper, but still >>>>>> >>>>>> had some improper transfers. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Epson Artisan 50 inkjet seems to be moddable for direct pcb >>>>> printing, and I can get that for cheap. >>>>>> Wondering if this is a easier and reliable way than toner transfer. >>>>>> >>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>>> >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and >>>>> Photos: >>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! 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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Roland DXY 800/880
2011-01-09 by Bill Maxwell