Adam Seychell wrote: > > I have no desmear removal step. Never had an inner layer electrical > problem yet. Maybe i didn't explain with the right English words. Etchback is used to from etch resin sidewalls of holes in order exposing a copper anular ring of innerlayers. There are good images on the web to explain this but i didn't find any good right know, choose this because is Australian and has other useful content http://www.precisioncircuits.com.au/cid/011.html on bottom 'etch back hole' but not easy understanding This is used to improve surface contact between plated copper and innerlayers and should be used. For double sided board desmear or good cleaning with air compressor or high pressure water on the holes is good enough but it surprises me you could do it without even desmear for multilayers, but just proves your genius skills again. A good easy to use and maintenance free homebrew plating chemistry, should not require high temp bath to be always ready to use or incompatible consecutive baths for avoid long water rinses and its disposal, and bath longer life. I don't like either microetch. So have decided for palladium based. Palladium tin colloid with vanilla to improve tin stability. The one i have used from bungard from what i know now is like this and uses NaCl instead of HCl for Pd/Sn suspension i guess to don't attack copper. The next bath is K2CO3 which removes vanilla and with it tin and salt leaving only the palladium bonded to resin surface. Or at least is what i can understand. It uses a mix of MEA and PEG600 (not really sure) for desmear at 60�C with slow 3hour heat time. And a 25% NaCl and 1% HCl bath because of the incompatibility of the desmear and the activation. I would like to make my homebrew version of desmear with a acidic version compatible with the activation, i would love to use sulphuric acid with EG antifreezer or DOT3/4 brake fluid for desmear but i can't be sure it will work and it affects the bath compatibility. But the K2CO3 at 40�C bath i don't know any replacement so it still requires a water rinse and heat time here before the plating bath. Your genius developing tank with nylon brushing fabric answered me numerous ideas. Using it with NaOH as a degrease cleaning instead of manually scrubbing is a saver way and time saver (no hands on chemicals or gloves necessity), followed by one acidic desmear can de-oxidize the board also, and be a bit more compatible with the activation. My question, can you comment/help/improve the compatibility between this NaOH degrease - H2SO4 desmear - Pd/Sn organic activator - K2CO3 'salt remover' - H2SO4/CuSO4 based plating, to minimize water rinses, heat time, compatibility (residues from one bath don't affect next one) ? I hope to have all this and be doing it in February finally. > I think because professionals use 100k+ RPM drill speeds > there is much more probability of epoxy smear. My home made manual > drill press runs at 15k RPM max. I already suspected that you was able to do pth boards without a cnc (or desmear) but is breath taking know that you said it... Congratulations i guess... Don't know what to say. About drill speed, it's not that fast, and depends on drill diameter, a 0.5mm drill is recommended to run at 60.000rpm, 100krpm are for 0.2mm or so, but a 2mm should run at 20krpm. But there are under 0.1mm drills and above 200krpm spindles (high pressure air bearings). Pcb laminate manufacturers say something about 'drill surface speed per minute' but my few experiments with a 30-60krpm spindle said faster is not necessary better. Maybe is just a recommendable limit speed and not recommended speed. http://www.isola-group.com/images/file/ISOLADE104iPGOriginalRelease3608.pdf Check this file is from a common used laminate here in Europe, the file has speed drill tables, and a pressure/temp vs time in multilayer press. > 98% sulfuric is an excellent epoxy etch. In hot H2SO4 for few hours > your can remove all epoxy and just have nothing but bare copper > traces. Hot sulfuric acid shouldn't etch copper too? Thanks.
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] 4 Layer boards
2009-12-18 by Simao Cardoso
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