It's nice to hear someone air the dirty laundry. People usually don't talk much about what didn't work. I've been pretty leary about the isolation milling route (pun intended) so I tried the toner transfer method yesterday. I was not impressed with that either. Granted, I used regular laser paper but the results were so bad I didn't have much confidence in better paper either. The toner appeared to cover well but came off way too easy. If I have to iron for 15 minutes and maybe make multiple attempts it's just not worth the trouble. I'm not that broke. So I bought a bottle of spray-on negative resist and a can of developer, about $15 together. I've used it before and it's a piece of cake, works perfect every time. If I use the mill for drilling only I can avoid most of those Z axis problems as well, and maybe keep the time consumed down to a level where it is worth the trouble. There is some point at which it is actually more cost-effective to pay for prototypes. -- Phil Mattison http://www.ohmikron.com/ Motors::Drivers::Controllers::Software ----- Original Message ----- From: lcdpublishing <lcdpublishing@...> To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 1:51 PM Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] First efforts with isolation milling and the new machine.... > Well, I can't say as I am thrilled or dissappointed. I tried running > a small PCB with fairly large traces. There are a number of problems > that I will need to resolve before expecting a good PCB from the > machine. > > 1) I have to fix the problem with the Z axis saddle - this is > something one of the newer list members has been helping me with > (Ron), but I screwed up my end of the fix so I was running the test on > the old hardware. This is a mechanical problem that creates some > inaccuracy in positioning in the Z axis. With a samll 'V' cutter, you > don't have much room for variations before your trace gets milled away. > > 2) A glitch somewhere caused the machine to lose position in X axis by > about .200". This didn't happen on the first attempt, but did on the > second attempt. Not sure at all what the cause was or could be so > this one will be a long term bug hunt I think. > > As one would expect from cutting copper with a V shaped tool, the cuts > are not the greatest. Copper itself is not the best machining metal. > Couple that with the reality that the cutting SFM is so low because of > the small cutter diameter. The most RPM I can currently get out of > the machine is only 7500 RPM, ideally it should be running at 100K or > even faster but that can't happen till I can figure out a new spindle > and afford some new hardware to do it. > > The traces that were not mucked up, were a tad smaller than they > should have been. They should have been .020" width but as best as I > can measure it, they appear to be .012" wide. I am using a small > adapter chuck that is normally used as a quick change chuck for Dremel > type tools. Having a few thousandths run-out on that is expected so I > am not too concerned yet. > > The cutter I have is a V cutter, 60 degrees "D" shaped or in other > words a 1/2 round tool bit (or another way of putting it is a single > flute cutter). It is solid carbide and seems to have held up good > during these cuts so far. > > Had the X axis not lost position on the second attempt, I would > probably have a good PCB to continue onto the second side machining. > > Also not overly thrilled with the Gerber tranlation software I have. > It's a trial version so I can't really complain till I learn a bit > more about it. The isolation milling seems to work well, but I can't > figure out what it needs/wants for the drilling operations. Luckily, > that is pretty easy to program manually so if I can't get that to > work, it still may be okay. > > I can see I will have to get going on the closed loop concept of the > software and hardware. Even though I am running stepper motors, I do > plan to have a "near closed loop" operation at some point along the > way. > > As for the speed of the process, I can see where it will be slow. > However, I cannot yet determine how much longer it will take to do a > PCB using isolation milling versus etching. A higher speed spindle > would certainly reduce the machining time so that is a primary > drawback with my machine at present. > > But, looking at what is involved, it may not be much slower overall if > you have a good spindle. By comparison, the layout software I use can > be used to print the layout for toner transfer then etching, or it can > output the gerber files. The translation software I am playing with > takes about 1~2 minutes to translate the gerber into G-Code. Once I > have that, I load the G-code into the machine, set the origin on the > workpiece and can (once I fix a few problems) hit start and let it > run. Once the first side is done, flip it over, re-set the origin, > and let it run the second side. Using stops on the table will reduce > the amount of time there. The machine has a 38 tool, automatic tool > changer so once it get's going, there isn't much to do except watch it > do the work. It will do the isolation milling, drill the holes, and > then mill the second side (although that requires manual intervention > to flip the part). > > Compared to etching, I would eliminate the toner transfer which is > mostly "Hit" for me rather than "Miss" so that doesn't take too long. > Still have to print the layout, cut away the excess, align the two > sides, transfer it, soak off the paper, scrub off the residue, touch > up any spots that are not good. Then it's into the etchant for about > 20 ~ 30 minutes (it's cold in the shop so it etches pretty slow this > time of year). Once done there, it's manual drilling. That goes > pretty fast for me, but it is SOOOOOOOOOOO boring to me that the CNC > machine is a welcome sight just for that alone. > > So, that's my first attempts at isolation milling. I have to fix some > software and hardware bugs before I can really do much else with the > machine. > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and Photos: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs > > If Files or Photos are running short of space, post them here: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs_Archives/ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Message
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] First efforts with isolation milling and the new machine....
2006-12-31 by Phil Mattison
Attachments
- No local attachments were found for this message.