Did i miss something? Are there any links to photos of the results. Thanks, David roger lucas wrote: > Well, I finally motivated myself this holiday weekend > to get my PCB EDM lash-up to cut copper, and, YES, it > does cut clean lines thru the copper without board > burning or marking. Shine a torch through the tracks > from the rear of the board and there is a faithful > line of light, (no firstborn goats or pentagrams > neccessary). > > With my highest power lens and head magnifier I could > see no trace of copper whiskers on the EDM'd track. > Interestingly, the copper is blasted away entirely > below the cross section of the wire, there is no > 'erosion bleeding' into the surrounding copper outside > of the wire dia. > > Have only cut straight lines so far with 26 swg and > with a 0.2 mm step increment, (need to modify the > stepper gear ratio), and with multiple (continuous) > sparking between increments, (no on/off sparks or > raster yet). > > One significant problem has emerged which Curt > Richards did not address, (or if he did, he did not > mention it). The wire electrode erosion is > significant, and will require an active Z axis > correction to maintain as consistent a spark gap > distance as possible between the electrode and pcb > surface. To do this I will insert a routine to 'touch > down' the electrode on the copper to zero the gap,(no > spark, closure sensed by two PIC output/inputs for > voltage present), and then retreat the electrode to a > standard clearance before any track eroding is > commenced, (Andrew, this is why I need the BMP byte by > byte transfer). This will also tend to compensate for > any board distortion. > > Used tapwater as a dielectric with no problems, (the > modified Garden of EDM circuit controls the > electrolysis with no problems). > > Curt controlled his spark discharge voltage by > dynamically adjusting the electrode gap on the fly. I > think that for pcb work this is not the correct > approach because of the wire erosion problem, since > one needs to KNOW the gap distance AND available > discharge energy BEFORE discharge, which is why I am > going for the touch down zeroing method, (slower but > speed is not significant at the moment). The discharge > energy will be set by presetting the voltage level > required and capacitor selection, (simple comparator > control integrated into the spark control). I think > this is the secret of successful pcb edm'ing. > > This is really looking as if direct raw copper board > to finished pcb is going to be possible. > > Roger > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Photos \ufffd NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 7p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com > > > Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and Photos: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs > > If Files or Photos are running short of space, post them here: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs_Archives/ > Yahoo! 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Shine a torch through the tracks > from the rear of the board and there is a faithful > line of light, (no firstborn goats or pentagrams > neccessary). > > With my highest power lens and head magnifier I could > see no trace of copper whiskers on the EDM'd track. > Interestingly, the copper is blasted away entirely > below the cross section of the wire, there is no > 'erosion bleeding' into the surrounding copper outside > of the wire dia. > > Have only cut straight lines so far with 26 swg and > with a 0.2 mm step increment, (need to modify the > stepper gear ratio), and with multiple (continuous) > sparking between increments, (no on/off sparks or > raster yet). > > One significant problem has emerged which Curt > Richards did not address, (or if he did, he did not > mention it). The wire electrode erosion is > significant, and will require an active Z axis > correction to maintain as consistent a spark gap > distance as possible between the electrode and pcb > surface. To do this I will insert a routine to 'touch > down' the electrode on the copper to zero the gap,(no > spark, closure sensed by two PIC output/inputs for > voltage present), and then retreat the electrode to a > standard clearance before any track eroding is > commenced, (Andrew, this is why I need the BMP byte by > byte transfer). This will also tend to compensate for > any board distortion. > > Used tapwater as a dielectric with no problems, (the > modified Garden of EDM circuit controls the > electrolysis with no problems). > > Curt controlled his spark discharge voltage by > dynamic > > > -0-0-0- >
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] PCB EDM MILL Initial Tests
2006-07-17 by David Cureton
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