An easier way is to warm up the copper first with a hair dryer, before putting the the paper with the toner on it , and then use the iron. Regards Tony VK2IC lcdpublishing wrote: >I agree completely about the two primary points - > >1) Rubber or some other material that gives to compensate for board >thickness variations > >2) un-even heat from the element - this would be the biggest problem >to correct I believe. The only thing that comes to mind is to have >a thick metal plate on the heating element side of the press. Then, >to use it, turn it on and let it get good and hot prior to use. >Even then, I still think there is going to be some problems with >some areas being hotter than others. > >My brother in-law is a garage sale junkie. I will describe to him >what I am looking for and he will find one for a couple of bucks >somewhere - that's worth a try :-) > >Chris > > > > > >--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Trethan" ><stefan_trethan@g...> wrote: > > >>On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:58:52 +0200, lcdpublishing >><lcdpublishing@y...> wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hmm, this is a good point so it bears checking on. I currently >>> >>> >use > > >>>a clothes iron and press it by hand and use about 5 inches >>> >>> >square of > > >>>the sole plate at any one time. I weigh about 225 pounds these >>> >>> >days > > >>>and am pushing down on the iron with a fair amount of force - >>> >>> >lets > > >>>say half my weight 112 pounds - which I am sure is more than I am >>>pushing down. >>>5 x 5 = 25 sqaure inches of surface area >>>112 / 25 = 4.48 pounds per square inch >>>This has worked very good for me so far (although I suspect I >>> >>> >have > > >>>beginners luck). So, a 12" x 12" board would require >>>12 x 12 = 144 square inches x 4.48 pounds per square inch = 645 >>>pounds of presure on that plate for a large circuit board. This >>>would be pretty hard to achieve without some form of mechanical >>>advantage (unless I keep putting on weight since I quit smoking!) >>>Chris >>> >>> >>My worry was not so much about the magnitude of pressure in >> >> >general, but > > >>how to adjust if from board size to board size. >>With the fuser i can choose to let the wide or the narrow side >> >> >run > > >>through, thus i can keep the "length" in the fuser similar with >> >> >all the > > >>different boards i make. I have not found variations of a factor 2 >> >> >or even > > >>3 a problem. The rubber roller is doing a pretty good job at >> >> >keeping > > >>things in contact. >> >> >>If a press should work, i think it must have a rubber plate below >> >> >the > > >>board, a rigid material both sides will probably cause trouble. >> >> >Also, i > > >>would be afraid of temperature patterns, they can be quite extreme >> >> >with > > >>heating elements that are concentrated in one area. A pressure >> >> >gauge could > > >>be made easily, just take the bathroom scale and put it between >> >> >the press > > >>plate and the screw/lever you use to tighten it. >> >>At this point, i'm just not seeing the advantages. >>But you know - never listen to the nay sayers. Look at the >> >> >arguments why > > >>it mightn't work, fix them, and do it. >> >>ST >> >> >> > > > > > > > >Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and Photos: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs > >If Files or Photos are running short of space, post them here: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs_Archives/ >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Ideas (stupid??) for toner transfer
2005-10-20 by Tony Magon
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