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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Ideas (stupid??) for toner transfer

2005-10-20 by Tony Magon

An easier way is to warm up the copper first with a hair dryer, before 
putting  the the paper with the toner on it , and then use the iron.


Regards

Tony VK2IC

lcdpublishing wrote:

>I agree completely about the two primary points - 
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>1) Rubber or some other material that gives to compensate for board 
>thickness variations
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>2) un-even heat from the element - this would be the biggest problem 
>to correct I believe.  The only thing that comes to mind is to have 
>a thick metal plate on the heating element side of the press.  Then, 
>to use it, turn it on and let it get good and hot prior to use.  
>Even then, I still think there is going to be some problems with 
>some areas being hotter than others.  
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>My brother in-law is a garage sale junkie.  I will describe to him 
>what I am looking for and he will find one for a couple of bucks 
>somewhere - that's worth a try :-) 
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>Chris
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>--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Trethan" 
><stefan_trethan@g...> wrote:
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>>On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:58:52 +0200, lcdpublishing  
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>>>Hmm, this is a good point so it bears checking on.  I currently 
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>>>a clothes iron and press it by hand and use about 5 inches 
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>square of
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>>>the sole plate at any one time.  I weigh about 225 pounds these 
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>days
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>>>and am pushing down on the iron with a fair amount of force - 
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>>>say half my weight 112 pounds - which I am sure is more than I am
>>>pushing down.
>>>5 x 5 = 25 sqaure inches of surface area
>>>112 / 25 = 4.48 pounds per square inch
>>>This has worked very good for me so far (although I suspect I 
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>have
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>>>beginners luck).  So, a 12" x 12" board would require
>>>12 x 12 = 144 square inches x 4.48 pounds per square inch = 645
>>>pounds of presure on that plate for a large circuit board.  This
>>>would be pretty hard to achieve without some form of mechanical
>>>advantage (unless I keep putting on weight since I quit smoking!)
>>>Chris
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>>My worry was not so much about the magnitude of pressure in 
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>general, but  
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>>how to adjust if from board size to board size.
>>With the fuser i can choose to let the wide or the narrow side 
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>>through, thus i can keep the "length" in the fuser similar with 
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>>different boards i make. I have not found variations of a factor 2 
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>>3 a problem. The rubber roller is doing a pretty good job at 
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>keeping  
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>>things in contact.
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>>If a press should work, i think it must have a rubber plate below 
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>>board, a rigid material both sides will probably cause trouble. 
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>Also, i  
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>>would be afraid of temperature patterns, they can be quite extreme 
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>>heating elements that are concentrated in one area. A pressure 
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>gauge could  
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>>be made easily, just take the bathroom scale and put it between 
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>the press  
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>>plate and the screw/lever you use to tighten it.
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>>At this point, i'm just not seeing the advantages.
>>But you know - never listen to the nay sayers. Look at the 
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>arguments why  
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>>it mightn't work, fix them, and do it.
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>>ST
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