Fairlight-CMI

This pretty much hit the nail on the head.

I own Jupiter 8V...and I'm not satisfied, because most of the sounds 
made are done with low frequencies. I still want a Jupiter 8 (or 
possibly a Jupiter 6...they both produce the same sounds.) The only 
vsts that impress me are FM7 and OP-X becuase they sound more like 
the real thing than anything I've ever heard. It will probably take a 
couple of more years before certain vsts can truly emulate the sounds 
of the old analogs.



Korg's Legacy Collection is truly a masterpiece of a creation. Having 
all the sounds of the old M1 really reduces the space needed to store 
such a classic synth. Both are digital (the vst and synth), so it 
hardly matters for me anyway.

If Roland could follow in Korg's footsteps by creating vsts of their 
masterpieces (Jupiter 8, Juno 106, D50) imagine the praise they'd 
receive for answering the need to a desire for such machines. (I 
haven't tried the Varios 8 yet, only heard demos)

As a 80s music fanatic, a Fairlight vst would be a great treat to 
have. Heck, I'd even pay for a NED Synclavier vst! 

--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, Laurent Lemaire <llemaire1@...> 
wrote:

>
> 
> 
> Hi Laurent.
> 
> I totally agree with you ! Virtual Synths should be considered as
> proper instruments and not a realistic copy of the original.
> 
> Synths have the same issue 20 or 30 years ago, trying to simulate
> piano, brass and string sounds. The Korg M1 piano sound was 
> great when release, but today would never been used to simulate
> a piano. However it became a classic sound, used by many reggae
> bands. And here comes the M1 emulator !!! ;-))
> 
> A few days ago, I looked for the TB303 and TR808/909 price on
> the internet. Their prices have jumped. Multiplied by 3 or 4
> in a few years. Even if they are easy to reproduced, and been
> sampled a zillion time !!!
> 
> I remember a friend of mine gave a Minimoog for free in the 80s
> because no one wanted anymore of these monophonic analog stuff.
> Every one was talking and wanting the DX7, D50 and M1 ... 
> 
> The same story won't happen with virtual instruments, because they
> are virtual, they only run on todays computer, you don't have
> any guaranty to be able to reuse it in 30 years... I don't have
> any problem with my old analog synths, and the signal is still
> compatible with everything.
> 
> Virtual as not persistency. If you don't care about it, ok. It's
> not my case. I'm a collector, when I buy something it's to keep
> it forever !!! My only issue is maintenance and room space... ;-))
> 
> Regards.
> 
>     Laurent.
>

Hi Laurent.

I totally agree with you ! Virtual Synths should be considered as
proper instruments and not a realistic copy of the original.

Synths have the same issue 20 or 30 years ago, trying to simulate
piano, brass and string sounds. The Korg M1 piano sound was 
great when release, but today would never been used to simulate
a piano. However it became a classic sound, used by many reggae
bands. And here comes the M1 emulator !!! ;-))

A few days ago, I looked for the TB303 and TR808/909 price on
the internet. Their prices have jumped. Multiplied by 3 or 4
in a few years. Even if they are easy to reproduced, and been
sampled a zillion time !!!

I remember a friend of mine gave a Minimoog for free in the 80s
because no one wanted anymore of these monophonic analog stuff.
Every one was talking and wanting the DX7, D50 and M1 ... 

The same story won't happen with virtual instruments, because they
are virtual, they only run on todays computer, you don't have
any guaranty to be able to reuse it in 30 years... I don't have
any problem with my old analog synths, and the signal is still
compatible with everything.

Virtual as not persistency. If you don't care about it, ok. It's
not my case. I'm a collector, when I buy something it's to keep
it forever !!! My only issue is maintenance and room space... ;-))

Regards.

    Laurent.

This is exactly my point.  Emulating vintage digital with VST is effectively done, such as FM-7 etc.  Though some of the grit is lost in VST's not having the noisy DA converters that contributed to some of the original charm.

However, when you take a VST today and you try to cross the analog threshold, that is to "emulate" analog, the results are not very effective.  There is too much accidental, random, and un-regulated things going on behind analog circuity that at this time the algorithms are just not available.  That is not even to take into account the other unique Fairlight sampling functions.

So, to recreate the Fairlight, would be in my mind DISAPPOINTING, just like the Jupiter 8v, minimoogv, whatever VST program out there, that sounds like software synths, with buzzy noises mostly for today's' plastic sounding music.

Micah

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--- On Mon, 6/23/08, kyoji_sama <kyoji_sama@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: kyoji_sama <kyoji_sama@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Recreating the Fairlight
To: Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 10:51 AM






This pretty much hit the nail on the head.

I own Jupiter 8V...and I'm not satisfied, because most of the sounds 
made are done with low frequencies. I still want a Jupiter 8 (or 
possibly a Jupiter 6...they both produce the same sounds.) The only 
vsts that impress me are FM7 and OP-X becuase they sound more like 
the real thing than anything I've ever heard. It will probably take a 
couple of more years before certain vsts can truly emulate the sounds 
of the old analogs.

Korg's Legacy Collection is truly a masterpiece of a creation. Having 
all the sounds of the old M1 really reduces the space needed to store 
such a classic synth. Both are digital (the vst and synth), so it 
hardly matters for me anyway.

If Roland could follow in Korg's footsteps by creating vsts of their 
masterpieces (Jupiter 8, Juno 106, D50) imagine the praise they'd 
receive for answering the need to a desire for such machines. (I 
haven't tried the Varios 8 yet, only heard demos)

As a 80s music fanatic, a Fairlight vst would be a great treat to 
have. Heck, I'd even pay for a NED Synclavier vst! 

--- In Fairlight-CMI@ yahoogroups. com, Laurent Lemaire <llemaire1@. ..> 
wrote:

>
> 
> 
> Hi Laurent.
> 
> I totally agree with you ! Virtual Synths should be considered as
> proper instruments and not a realistic copy of the original.
> 
> Synths have the same issue 20 or 30 years ago, trying to simulate
> piano, brass and string sounds. The Korg M1 piano sound was 
> great when release, but today would never been used to simulate
> a piano. However it became a classic sound, used by many reggae
> bands. And here comes the M1 emulator !!! ;-))
> 
> A few days ago, I looked for the TB303 and TR808/909 price on
> the internet. Their prices have jumped. Multiplied by 3 or 4
> in a few years. Even if they are easy to reproduced, and been
> sampled a zillion time !!!
> 
> I remember a friend of mine gave a Minimoog for free in the 80s
> because no one wanted anymore of these monophonic analog stuff.
> Every one was talking and wanting the DX7, D50 and M1 ... 
> 
> The same story won't happen with virtual instruments, because they
> are virtual, they only run on todays computer, you don't have
> any guaranty to be able to reuse it in 30 years... I don't have
> any problem with my old analog synths, and the signal is still
> compatible with everything.
> 
> Virtual as not persistency. If you don't care about it, ok. It's
> not my case. I'm a collector, when I buy something it's to keep
> it forever !!! My only issue is maintenance and room space... ;-))
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Laurent.
>

--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "M.J.B." <yazzofever@...> wrote:
> So, to recreate the Fairlight, would be in my mind DISAPPOINTING, 
just like the Jupiter 8v, minimoogv, whatever VST program out there, 
that sounds like software synths, with buzzy noises mostly for 
today's' plastic sounding music.
>
I'd agree in principle with the points you've made, but as a user of 
several VST instruments I feel I have to comment on this last point.

Yes, VST instruments are full of buzzy noises, and there's a lot of 
plastic-sounding music around.  But the buzzy noises in VSTs are due 
more to bad programming than to anything inherent in the instruments, 
and people are making plastic-sounding music with real analogue as 
well as with VSTs.

I have the Arturia MiniMoogV, Moog ModularV, 2600V and CS80CV, as 
well as Korg's Legacy MS20 and many others.

The MiniMoog sits beside my `real' Moog and complements it very well. 
Each makes sounds the other doesn't really manage.

The Modular V makes a lot of sounds that are quite unlikely - 
including some of my favourite bells and plucked strings - as welllas 
rich and complex synth sounds.

The 2600V is a rich, organic sounding instrument that's become one of 
my favourite synths and has a character I can't quite get with 
anything else. It sounds far better than Timewarp's more accurate 
emulation, once you get into programming it deeply.

I use the CS80V less than the others, so far at least, but I did a 
demo with it that surprised the person I sent it to. She doesn't like 
digital generally, including digital studios. She was surprised the 
demo had been anywhere near a computer.

I think a lot of the problem with VSTs is that not enough people have 
really dug deep into what they can offer. Also, providing an 
emulation of another synth has a downside: any copy is always going 
to be less than the original because it'll never quite make it. The 
upside has got to be other features and/or a distinct and individual 
sound character. And some VST synths offer that in abundance.

For me, these emulations aren't a cheap substitute for the real 
thing. They aren't in the case of the MiniMoog - there's room for 
both.  In the case of the MS20 I sold my original hardware MS20 and 
kept the VST. In the other cases I strongly expect I'd keep the VSTs 
if I had the hardware synths they're based on, especially in the case 
of the ARP 2600.

--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "M.J.B." <yazzofever@...> wrote:
> 
> Curious, what "real" moog do you have to compare?

Voyager (Performer Edition).

>The MiniMoog sits beside my `real' Moog and complements it very well. 
Each makes sounds the other doesn't really manage.

Curious, what "real" moog do you have to compare?
 
I'll I'm saying is anyone can make a Fairlight VST right now...But would it come close to the "it" of the original, NO.  It would not.  (though i'm ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ready to be sweeped of my feet when I hear a demo of a NEW! VST)

micah

--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "M.J.B." <yazzofever@...> wrote:
>
> >The MiniMoog sits beside my `real' Moog and complements it very well. 
> Each makes sounds the other doesn't really manage.
> 
> Curious, what "real" moog do you have to compare?
>  
> I'll I'm saying is anyone can make a Fairlight VST right now...But
would it come close to the "it" of the original, NO.  It would not. 
(though i'm ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ready to be sweeped of my feet when I
hear a demo of a NEW! VST)
> 
> micah
>

I was talking about 5 years ago to a friend who programs and we
discussed making a Virtual CMI IIx
We nearly went and did it but he had no time to program so it was
shelved :-(