Hi All, linear226.excite : yeah : that might work : had a quick look at the KMI site, and it kind of seems it might work with a 9.34 system : Ive grabbed it quick as its quite inexpensive, and if it isnt going to work, I can always put it back on on ebay. The boot loader on my system certainly does try to detect a Turbo SCSI card at boot, so thats a promising sign :) Really appreciate the heads up : Arron Really appreciate the heads up. --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "linear226.excite" <linear226@...> wrote: > > Hi , > > I have no answers on the 28 card, other than Peter Weilk will be the man, on a seperate note I spotted this on eBay, Turbo SCSI Rev 4.1 MFX card, this with a bit of modifiying 'may' work in an a Rev 9 Wavesuper. Just a thought.. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Fairlight-ESP-P-L-Turbo-SCSI-Rev-4-1-Card-/320552911482?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aa271427a > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "arroncx" [aclague@...] > Date: 02/17/2011 04:39 PM > To: Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: CMI III boot problems : getting closer :) > > Note: Original message sent as attachment > Hi All, > > Just an update : I tried everything you suggested : > > I carefully reseated all the socketed chips on 28 : no change > Checked that q777 was correctly seated : it was. > Checked keys in place and other cards seated correctly : looks fine. > Tried again in KMONDIAG with just a D to run DMA diagnostics. > > This resulted in the system displaying PASS 0_ and hanging. > > I found if you type H in KMONDIAG, you get a extended help, and the correct usage of the D command should have parameters for range, and destination. I dont know what to put here ! > > So Im all out of Ideas at the moment, and have emailed Peter Wielk to see if he has a spare CM28 card for me. > > Lets hope so :) > > Cheers for all your help, though :) > > I looked in the troubleshooting and diagnostic section of the service manual, and it refers to a diagnostic disk with a load of os9 command to check subsystems. I dont have this floppy : does anyone else here ? > > Best wishes : > > Arron > > > > > > --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "arroncx" <aclague@> wrote: > > > > The machine is a 9.34 CMI : I bought the VGA card later from Peter Wielk, and installed it without issue when the machine was still working. > > > > The fuse is a tiny surface mounted thing on the Main on the main ESP-CG3 card. I blew it because I kicked the VGA plug out by accident while it was running, causing a bit of a spark. > > > > As far as I can tell, the missing pin on the CMI ribbon port is unused (from the series III service manual), so Im ignoring this for the moment. > > > > "And you said it would "see" the channel cards, I'm assuming you mean the startup kmon screen where it does a check of what's installed in the system?" yes exactly. > > > > In fact the mptask error still existed at the point the CMI32 was faulty : I assumed that the replacement of the CMI32 card might clear this, but it turns out this is an additional issue. > > > > I have checked the cards location both against the notes I made as I was disassembling it, and the KMI site, and seems to be OK. > > > > I will read the q777 in detail later. > > > > If peter has some wfm32 cards left I will for sure buy one  > > > > Again, much appreciated  > > > > > > --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, Joe Sleator <joe.sleator@> wrote: > > > > > > OK, so when you say VGA video card, you must mean the little board that has > > > the VGA plug on it? The RGB01? Mine doesn't have a fuse. Strange. > > > > > > So you have a colour system? An MFX1 or MFX2? > > > > > > It's certainly at least rev 6 as you've got a wave super. > > > > > > Then this pin on the CMI 28 got broke....but you could leave that alone and > > > the CMI would still boot up and go, it just wouldn't do midi or normal > > > keyboard notes. But you could play sequences and stuff. > > > > > > So you fixed that and now the CMI28 apparently has some other problem. > > > > > > And you said it would "see" the channel cards, I'm assuming you mean the > > > startup kmon screen where it does a check of what's installed in the system? > > > > > > Maybe a silly question, but maybe its a good time to just audit what's in > > > which slot in the machine. Are you quite sure everything's back the way it > > > was supposed to be? If it boots, even part-way, I daresay _some_ of the > > > cards must be right. Also, if you're running a WFM32 I'd put it all the way > > > over to the far end of the WRAM sockets. If you're not running a WFM32, go > > > get one from Peter Wielk. > > > > > > BTW, in future, cleaning an old computer system that isn't broken, may cause > > > it to start playing up, whether by static damage due to disassembly, or due > > > to incorrect reassembly, or just brittleness. I tend only to clean a CMI if > > > the dirt is so bad it's obstructing the airflow. Just flicking a > > > feather-duster or synthetic cloth across a board can be enough to statically > > > charge and damage it, especially in winter or desert conditions with dry > > > air. Sounds obsessive, but it's true. > > > > > > Humidity is your friend, unless you're a chip that will be wave-soldered! > > > > > > > I will check the q777 is always the in : I suspect it is fine as the > > > system is booting from SCSI disk. > > > > > > Erm, there's a bit more to it than that in the wave super system. You'll > > > want to make sure the SCSI cable is plugged into the wave super, rather than > > > the Q777, but that Q777 is in the right-most slot, to the right of the > > > floppy board. For a good primer on why the 777 still needs to be there, read > > > KMI's site, under CMI hardware, where it talks about DMA on a series III. > > > > > > Anyway, I think you'll get there. > > > > > > Best of luck, > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 12:04 AM, arroncx <aclague@>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Joe : > > > > > > > > OK : so the history in summery is that the machine was working, and then it > > > > was in storage for a couple of years while I was moving about and working > > > > out of the country. > > > > > > > > When I got it back out of storage, the VGA video card blew a fuse, which I > > > > replaced, I was not detecting any voice cards installed, and one of the pins > > > > had snapped off the CMI28 ribbon connector. I should none that the first > > > > thing that I did when I got it out of storage was disassemble the whole > > > > system, partly to check it, but also because I needed to carry the mainframe > > > > up three flights of steep stairs, and wanted it to be lighter. > > > > > > > > Since then, I have replaced the CMI 32 card, and I can now see all the > > > > voice cards. > > > > > > > > Yes I typed DI : I don't have any reference for the diagnostic commands so > > > > I was just guessing in the dark that the process found in this thread on the > > > > fairlight boards would be something worth trying : > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fairlightau.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?p=451&sid=e7792b9128e6d693314edccf7cd362ea > > > > > > > > I will check the q777 is always the in : I suspect it is fine as the system > > > > is booting from SCSI disk. > > > > > > > > I really appreciate the suggestions : tonight I will try the following : > > > > > > > > 1) Reseat all socketed chips on CMI 28 > > > > 2) Repet diagnostics with escape D only > > > > 3) Check the Card keys are present and the pins are lined up correctly (I > > > > have the top off the system and so can confirm visually) > > > > 4) Check the Q777 is seated OK. > > > > > > > > Again : I really appreciate the suggestions  > > > > > > > > Best wishes : Arron > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, Joe Sleator <joe.sleator@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hey Arron > > > > > > > > > > So, that's Chris Alfred's "new" diagnostics screen for the Waveform > > > > Super, > > > > > CMI41. The address error that occurred is happening in the other 68K > > > > board, > > > > > the Wave Super, CMI41. > > > > > > > > > > That screen has little to do with the CMI28, AFAIK > > > > > > > > > > Are you saying you typed "DI" at the prompt? Are you sure it's not just > > > > "D"? > > > > > > > > > > I'm guessing the D command was diagnostics, and the I command told it to > > > > do > > > > > something else, which caused the address error, unless my own memory's > > > > > faulty. > > > > > > > > > > I think that since you said it booted from disk, up to getting mptask > > > > > running, that's a fair way in, and if CMI41 can do that, it's probably > > > > > working ok. > > > > > > > > > > Another possible issue might be the DMA configuration of your machine. Is > > > > > the Q777 plugged in all the way at the right, or is there another card > > > > > there? > > > > > > > > > > And can I ask, from when this machine did work, what all has changed? Did > > > > it > > > > > work recently? Have you exchanged any cards already? > > > > > > > > > > Without unpacking my Series III (still packed after recent move) I can't > > > > > remember what the various diag menu options are, but I'll need to set it > > > > up > > > > > soon enough for other requirements. > > > > > > > > > > But not long ago, we made some more WFM32s, and I seem to recall there > > > > being > > > > > a memory test for CMI41. Maybe just "M". > > > > > > > > > > If you do find the right key for the memory test, and I'm pretty sure > > > > it's > > > > > just one letter for each thing, you may as well verify the memory for the > > > > > CMI41, even though I don't think that's your problem. > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get your diagnostic key code info? Maybe double-check? > > > > > > > > > > Another thing to look for whenever you have cards out, is there should be > > > > a > > > > > key near the bottom of every backplane slot, that goes in the notches in > > > > the > > > > > boards. When those are missing, all sorts of random things go wrong, as > > > > the > > > > > pins don't line up! > > > > > > > > > > What happens if you just type escape and D? > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:21 PM, arroncx <aclague@>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi there : Ive posted the error screen i get from the diagnostics in > > > > the > > > > > > group photos page if anyone can shed any light on what it means :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe one day there will be an upgrade where you can get a PC on a > > > > > > fairlight sized card, and a Crystal Core board in the same format, and > > > > then > > > > > > just take all the old cards out of your fairlight, and wire up the old > > > > music > > > > > > keyboard via midi , and the outputs round the back as straight thru > > > > sockets. > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Photo at : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fairlight-CMI/photos/album/1576007894/pic/66577237/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > Arron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, James Thomson <jamesthomson9@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Joe, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would think that CMI-3 board repair could be a fairly lucrative > > > > > > sideline to compliment someone's main job. There are many of us who > > > > would > > > > > > pay a good price to have a board repaired as it is imperative to > > > > keeping the > > > > > > system running. I would pay £ 100.00 - £ 150.00 to have a faulty CMI-28 > > > > > > board repaired. This board seems to fail a lot and I think I have about > > > > 3 > > > > > > faulty CMI-28 boards ( rev 5.1 I believe ). The CMI 2X's will last > > > > forever I > > > > > > am sure but the CMI series 3 is a different matter. There is a market > > > > there. > > > > > > Jo Britt recently produced a run of CMI-2X USB boxes so that you can > > > > use a > > > > > > USB mouse and TFT screen instead of the lightpen and old green screen > > > > > > monitor. They sold out immediately and there is demand for more. The > > > > speed > > > > > > improvement using a USB mouse as compared with the lightpen is > > > > brilliant. > > > > > > Using the whole CMI 2X is so much fluid now. The lightpen looks great > > > > and > > > > > > this can still be used as well as the USB mouse. Perhaps the recently > > > > > > established Fairlight Instruments could provide a CMI-3 board repair > > > > service > > > > > > alongside their i-Pad and CMI-30A products ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Magic Audio Co > > > > > > > Any Sound in Theory and in Practice > > > > > > > Studio 26 > > > > > > > The Coach House > > > > > > > 2 Upper York Street > > > > > > > Bristol BS2 8QN > > > > > > > U.K. > > > > > > > studio direct line: +44 (0)117 370 5810 > > > > > > > mobile: +44 (0)7711 031 615 > > > > > > > email: jamesthomson@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Feb 2011, at 09:45, Joe Sleator wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't found anyone who can repair the series 3 cards. > > > > > > > > > It's really a shame that these amazing instruments are not > > > > supported. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, let's assume they were supported, and very well, better than > > > > even a > > > > > > 2 year old Nokia phone, or a 69 MG Midget, or that old Russian space > > > > suit I > > > > > > can't get parts for any longer. :-D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets say you could fedex the card to a company, and they would > > > > either > > > > > > repair or replace the card, to good as new, with 90 day warranty, or > > > > return > > > > > > it to you and refund your shipping if it could not be repaired or > > > > replaced > > > > > > for whatever reason. Zero risk to you. And that company would even pay > > > > you > > > > > > for your broken boards if you decided not to get them shipped back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What would that be worth, lets say, for a CMI28? Go on and quote me > > > > a > > > > > > price in any currency you'd care to. And how many paid Series III board > > > > > > repairs do you reckon would come in per year? Not the sum-total of > > > > broken > > > > > > CMI boards, mind you, but just the ones people wanted repaired enough > > > > to > > > > > > pay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Gmail <jamesthomson9@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Arron, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This error message that you are getting is caused by a faulty > > > > CMI-28 > > > > > > card. I had the exact same error but was fortunate to have a spare > > > > card. It > > > > > > would be great if there was someone with the series 3 knowledge to > > > > repair > > > > > > these cards. There are people who can repair the CMI-2X cards but I > > > > haven't > > > > > > found anyone who can repair the series 3 cards. It's really a shame > > > > that > > > > > > these amazing instruments are not supported. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16 Feb 2011, at 20:12, Joe Sleator wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Hi, Arron > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> First guess is it's falling over where it asks if the Midi > > > > Processor > > > > > > (CMI28) is present, by poking and reading from its peripheral address, > > > > and > > > > > > the midi processor either does not reply, or says something stoopid. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Whilst the IIx would boot happily in this configuration, i.e with > > > > no > > > > > > CMI28, all the III software releases I'm aware of are fairly tightly > > > > bound > > > > > > to the CMI28, as it does most of the work triggering the sounds via the > > > > > > channel cards. See if you can get your hands on a spare CMI28 would be > > > > my > > > > > > next goal. You might just be able to re-seat the ROMS and RAMS and the > > > > 68K > > > > > > in their sockets, being careful of the pins. Usually it's enough to pop > > > > a > > > > > > tiny screwdriver under one end, lift the chip slightly, and then squish > > > > it > > > > > > back down. There must be someone else in your neck of the woods with > > > > either > > > > > > a IIx or a series III. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> IF YOU TAKE CMI28 OUT BE SURE YOU ARE EARTHED ESPECIALLY IF IT's > > > > > > WINTERTIME AND THE HEAT IS ON IN YOUR PLACE BEFORE TOUCHING THE CHIPS > > > > > > DIRECTLY. I can't stress this enough, many times boards are degraded or > > > > die > > > > > > outright from miniscule ~5KV or less, static discharges and it's > > > > totally > > > > > > avoidable. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> If the ROMS have suffered bit-rot (you can tell by reading them > > > > out > > > > > > and comparing to known good roms) they can fairly easily be replaced, > > > > or > > > > > > erased and re-programmed. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> The other way to tell is to slot roms from a working CMI28 into > > > > the > > > > > > suss board and re-try. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> The roms, rams, and 68K chip are all socketed. A resourceful soul > > > > can > > > > > > find replacements for all these chips by poking around. Virtually all > > > > the > > > > > > other chips on the CMI28 are common TTL or early motorola LSI, so also > > > > > > should be obtainable, however finding what's gone bad is the challenge. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Since the Series III diagnostics do virtually the same thing as > > > > > > mptask, I don't think they'd shed much more light, but probably worth a > > > > try. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Good luck. > > > > > > > >> Joe > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 5:14 AM, arroncx <aclague@> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Hi all, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Thanks for all you assistance so far. Just thought Id report back > > > > :) > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> So : I got a replacement CMI32 card from the ever helpful Peter > > > > Wielk > > > > > > and great now when I boot, i can see all my channel cards, memory etc. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> The system runs right the way though its boot-up sequence, but > > > > just as > > > > > > its about to start, the system exits to the command prompt with > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> mptask handshake timeout : aborting process. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> does anyone know where I could start looking next to get a bit > > > > further > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> I looked on the KMI website, and it says that mptask controls all > > > > the > > > > > > realtime events in the CMI. (if Im understanding it right) > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Also : when I boot up : the status display says that no sync card > > > > is > > > > > > present : what does this refer to, and is this part of my my problem ? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Any hints or clues appreciated as normal :) > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Best wishes : Arron > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: CMI III boot problems : getting closer :)
2011-02-17 by arroncx