Fairlight-CMI

By the way, one more reason for having the analog outputs would be the 
sound of them like some people here asking still for voice channel 
cards. They know that they made the sound also... :-) 

Greetz,

Michael 


--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <michael.maeurer@...> 
wrote:
>
> Dear Peter,
> 
> I would need the outputs as even today with the huge process in 
sound 
> quality in digital people STILL use hardware compressors, Mic 
Preamps, 
> effects etc due to their sound. What you want to create would only 
be 
> a "protools" system based on fairlight workflow and technology. But 
> Protools offers inputs and outputs exactly for this purpose. If you 
> want to do the mixing inside CC-1 card you can by an existing DREAM 
or 
> Xynergi system. The CMI was about the sampling, the sound and in my 
> opinion many (if not all by a few exceptations) will integrate a new 
> CMI into their existing system and connect it to a mixing desk. 
> 
> I agree that emulating analog circuits is possible but you will 
never 
> get the real feeling. And have a look at todays analog hardware 
> emulations, Arturia is doing a very good job there but have a look 
at 
> the consumption of CPU power they need... please do not 
underestimate 
> this. 
> 
> And... if you do Midi you surely want to trigger external synths and 
> to get them into the system I personally would like to have them all 
> connected to the system so I do not have to patch. That's why I also 
> want many inputs and outputs as option... ;-) 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Michael
> 
> --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Vogel" <peter.vogel@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts Michael. 
> >  
> > I think it will be possible to emulate the random things qualities 
> of the
> > original analog circuits. Of course analog parts do it easily but 
> with
> > suffuicuent processing power I think it can be done, perhaps with 
a 
> control
> > that lets you select from 100% analog sound to 100% digital sound?
> >  
> > Regarding your cost calculation, I'm not sure why you would want 
all 
> the
> > analog i/o.  I expect the CMI-4 would do all the mixing in the CC-
1 
> and
> > output direct to disk or digital interface to teh outside world.
> >  
> > I would hope the whole kit including CC-1, I/O for Midi, a couple 
of 
> analog
> > channels for monitoring, including software, would be included in 
> the $5k
> > price.
> >  
> > Best wishes,
> >  
> > Peter
> > 
> > 
> >   _____  
> > 
> > From: Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Fairlight-
> CMI@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Michael
> > Sent: Sunday, 16 November 2008 9:21 AM
> > To: Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Some more thoughts, Fairlight CMI 
> series IV?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Great thoughts Tobias and great idea to think about a CMI IV 
Peter,
> > please let me give some thoughts, too... 
> > 
> > Basing the original CMI operating system and features on a CC-1 
will
> > be definitely nice. But nowadays there are much more possibilities
> > regarding workflow and GUI design as it was necessary in those 
days.
> > Of course the limitations led to special solutions which should be
> > remembered when designing the "new" GUI. 
> > 
> > But the main point will be the sound... the sound of the CMI was
> > created by its hardware components which was the best available. 
> Today
> > you get better components for less money but are you sure you want
> > this? To have a clean and sterile sound? It is a different thing
> > emulating a "vintage" sound or having the original hardware as you 
> all
> > will agree. You cannot emulate the small electric and chaotic 
things
> > which happen in analog hardware. By the way, having REAL good
> > converters is still very expensive (and you are not sure if you 
will
> > have the dynamics and the sound of the old machines)...
> > 
> > Lets have a small calculation:
> > 
> > 5000$ - cc-1 card
> > 3000$ - 8 channel AD conversion (benchmark Apogee AD-16)
> > 3000$ - 8 channel DA conversion (benchmark Apogee DA-16)
> > 2000$ - rack mount case for modules (height 8U)
> > ????$ - fee for software development, service, warranty, 
> shipping,...
> > 
> > Now get your "dream system"... having e.g. 8 inputs and 24 outputs
> > would generate a system of minimum 20k$... 
> > 
> > Just being able to use the old Fairlight sounds is not a big 
thing,
> > but having the real sound quality of the machines will be very 
hard 
> to
> > reach. 
> > 
> > Greetz,
> > 
> > Michael 
> > 
> > P.S. The BIG and rich sound of the old systems came from the fact 
> that
> > each output was dedicated to ONE voice so the quality will lose 
the
> > power when you will try to get more than one voice 
mixed/multiplexed
> > to a single output.
> >
>