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2003-05-28 by ethanzer0
hey Bakis, If you get a chance to ask Dieter about the A149-1 I am curious if he is planning on using vactrols in the design. And, tell him I am impressed by graphic design choice for the front panel as it looks just like the graphic from the Buchla 266. I'm sure it will be a hot item once available. Cheers! Ethan
2003-05-29 by klamb000
I know of two people that have purchased Barber Poles, and both have complained loudly about the build quality (and I'm just repeating what two highly respected professionals have told me). I was told they used nylon pots (which were allegedly off center to the faceplate), and that one of the modules arrived DOA. At the price they're charging for those things, you would think they'd at least made sure they worked. Regards, Kevin --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Paul Schulz <dasfonk@w...> wrote: > hi list, > > has anybody recognised that module 297 (infinite phase shifter) and 260 > (duophonic pitch class generator) will be available from Buchla soon? > There will be only a limited number. Price is $1500 for the 297 and > $1250 for the 260. Expensive.... :-( > > Gosh, Buchla´s faceplate design is sooo great! Does anybody know where > to get the colored knobs? I´d love to have my A-100 behind Buchla- esque > faceplates... > > cheers > Paul > > > ethanzer0 wrote: > > > hey Bakis, > > > > If you get a chance to ask Dieter > > about the A149-1 I am curious if > > he is planning on using vactrols > > in the design. And, tell him I am > > impressed by graphic design choice > > for the front panel as it looks just > > like the graphic from the Buchla 266. > > I'm sure it will be a hot item once > > available. > > > > Cheers! > > > > Ethan > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=251812.3170658.4537139.1512248/D=egroupweb/S=17 05032144:HM/A=1564415/R=0/*http://www.netflix.com/Default? mqso=60164784&partid=3170658> > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
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2003-05-29 by Paul Schulz
hi list, has anybody recognised that module 297 (infinite phase shifter) and 260 (duophonic pitch class generator) will be available from Buchla soon? There will be only a limited number. Price is $1500 for the 297 and $1250 for the 260. Expensive.... :-( Gosh, Buchla´s faceplate design is sooo great! Does anybody know where to get the colored knobs? I´d love to have my A-100 behind Buchla-esque faceplates... cheers Paul ethanzer0 wrote: > hey Bakis, > > If you get a chance to ask Dieter > about the A149-1 I am curious if > he is planning on using vactrols > in the design. And, tell him I am > impressed by graphic design choice > for the front panel as it looks just > like the graphic from the Buchla 266. > I'm sure it will be a hot item once > available. > > Cheers! > > Ethan > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=251812.3170658.4537139.1512248/D=egroupweb/S=1705032144:HM/A=1564415/R=0/*http://www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60164784&partid=3170658> > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-05-29 by Bakis Sirros
sorry to dissapoint you guys, but the prices are redicoulous!don't you agree? bakis. --- klamb000 <lamb@charter.net> wrote: > I know of two people that have purchased Barber > Poles, and both have > complained loudly about the build quality (and I'm > just repeating > what two highly respected professionals have told > me). I was told > they used nylon pots (which were allegedly off > center to the > faceplate), and that one of the modules arrived DOA. > > At the price they're charging for those things, you > would think > they'd at least made sure they worked. > > Regards, > Kevin > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Paul Schulz > <dasfonk@w...> wrote: > > hi list, > > > > has anybody recognised that module 297 (infinite > phase shifter) and > 260 > > (duophonic pitch class generator) will be > available from Buchla > soon? > > There will be only a limited number. Price is > $1500 for the 297 and > > $1250 for the 260. Expensive.... :-( > > > > Gosh, Buchla�s faceplate design is sooo great! > Does anybody know > where > > to get the colored knobs? I�d love to have my > A-100 behind Buchla- > esque > > faceplates... > > > > cheers > > Paul > > > > > > ethanzer0 wrote: > > > > > hey Bakis, > > > > > > If you get a chance to ask Dieter > > > about the A149-1 I am curious if > > > he is planning on using vactrols > > > in the design. And, tell him I am > > > impressed by graphic design choice > > > for the front panel as it looks just > > > like the graphic from the Buchla 266. > > > I'm sure it will be a hot item once > > > available. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > Ethan > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=251812.3170658.4537139.1512248/D=egroupweb/S=17 > 05032144:HM/A=1564415/R=0/*http://www.netflix.com/Default? > mqso=60164784&partid=3170658> > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email > to: > > > doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of > Service > > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ===== synthfreak(parallel worlds) athens-greece [Doepfer_a100] group owner __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com
2003-05-29 by klamb000
Disappointed? Not me. I don't think they're just too expensive... they're WAY too expensuve. I mean, if anyone sees me spending $1200 on a phase shift filter, please take my credit cards away because I've lost my mind. I was simply mentioning that they also seem to mostly arrive broken. Regards, Kevin --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote: > sorry to dissapoint you guys, but the prices are > redicoulous!don't you agree? > bakis. > > > > --- klamb000 <lamb@c...> wrote: > > I know of two people that have purchased Barber > > Poles, and both have > > complained loudly about the build quality (and I'm > > just repeating > > what two highly respected professionals have told > > me). I was told > > they used nylon pots (which were allegedly off > > center to the > > faceplate), and that one of the modules arrived DOA. > > > > At the price they're charging for those things, you > > would think > > they'd at least made sure they worked. > > > > Regards, > > Kevin > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Paul Schulz > > <dasfonk@w...> wrote: > > > hi list, > > > > > > has anybody recognised that module 297 (infinite > > phase shifter) and > > 260 > > > (duophonic pitch class generator) will be > > available from Buchla > > soon? > > > There will be only a limited number. Price is > > $1500 for the 297 and > > > $1250 for the 260. Expensive.... :-( > > > > > > Gosh, Buchla´s faceplate design is sooo great! > > Does anybody know > > where > > > to get the colored knobs? I´d love to have my > > A-100 behind Buchla- > > esque > > > faceplates... > > > > > > cheers > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > ethanzer0 wrote: > > > > > > > hey Bakis, > > > > > > > > If you get a chance to ask Dieter > > > > about the A149-1 I am curious if > > > > he is planning on using vactrols > > > > in the design. And, tell him I am > > > > impressed by graphic design choice > > > > for the front panel as it looks just > > > > like the graphic from the Buchla 266. > > > > I'm sure it will be a hot item once > > > > available. > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > > > Ethan > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=251812.3170658.4537139.1512248/D=egroupweb/S=17
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2003-05-29 by Tim Stinchcombe
> has anybody recognised that module 297 (infinite phase shifter) and 260 > (duophonic pitch class generator) will be available from Buchla soon? > There will be only a limited number. Price is $1500 for the 297 and > $1250 for the 260. Expensive.... :-( Yeah, saw them myself a while back, and also thought "Crikey, expensive!". On the other hand, to generate a Shepard tone with Doepfer modules takes an A-191 and 8 VCOs and VCAs, which with 110s and 132s comes to grand total of around $1130! The little LED 'barber pole' display looks like a fun gimmick though, and I bet that greatly adds to the cost, as it looks like it's made of discrete LEDs, which therefore must take a lot of component placement and soldering time, presumably by hand = costly! All in all, very difficult to judge just how much bang one gets for one's buck! Tim
2003-05-29 by Joe Buechler
Timothy, I'm nitpicking, but you forgot to include the price of a pair of A138s to mix down the 8 VCA outputs. Joe --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> hi tim, > they are STILL TOO expensive,(the buchla modules), as, > for $1130 ,you get a doepfer a191(midi-cv plus shepard > gen.)and 8 vca's and 8 a110's with a million more > inputs, outputs and knobs!doepfer told me that the 80% > of a module's price goes to the knobs and jacks and > potentiometers.so,for a doepfer "barberpole effect", > you pay 1130$ for all these circuits > AND,mainly,physical components.for the buchla > barberpole,where do your $1500 go?to the circuits,that > are the cheapest parts of a module???...please,don't > tell me that they use goldplated knobs and jacks ;-) > bakis. > > > --- Tim Stinchcombe > <timothy@t...> wrote: > > > has anybody recognised that module 297 (infinite > > phase shifter) and > > 260 > > > (duophonic pitch class generator) will be > > available from Buchla > > soon? > > > There will be only a limited number. Price is > > $1500 for the 297 and > > > $1250 for the 260. Expensive.... :-( > > > > Yeah, saw them myself a while back, and also thought > > "Crikey, > > expensive!". On the other hand, to generate a > > Shepard tone with > > Doepfer modules takes an A-191 and 8 VCOs and VCAs, > > which with 110s > > and 132s comes to grand total of around $1130! > > > > The little LED 'barber pole' display looks like a > > fun gimmick though, > > and I bet that greatly adds to the cost, as it looks > > like it's made > > of discrete LEDs, which therefore must take a lot of > > component > > placement and soldering time, presumably by hand = > > costly! All in > > all, very difficult to judge just how much bang one > > gets for one's > > buck! > > > > Tim > > > > > > > ===== > synthfreak(parallel worlds) > athens-greece > [Doepfer_a100] group owner > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com
2003-05-29 by Bakis Sirros
hi tim, they are STILL TOO expensive,(the buchla modules), as, for $1130 ,you get a doepfer a191(midi-cv plus shepard gen.)and 8 vca's and 8 a110's with a million more inputs, outputs and knobs!doepfer told me that the 80% of a module's price goes to the knobs and jacks and potentiometers.so,for a doepfer "barberpole effect", you pay 1130$ for all these circuits AND,mainly,physical components.for the buchla barberpole,where do your $1500 go?to the circuits,that are the cheapest parts of a module???...please,don't tell me that they use goldplated knobs and jacks ;-) bakis. --- Tim Stinchcombe <timothy@tstinchcombe.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > has anybody recognised that module 297 (infinite > phase shifter) and > 260 > > (duophonic pitch class generator) will be > available from Buchla > soon? > > There will be only a limited number. Price is > $1500 for the 297 and > > $1250 for the 260. Expensive.... :-( > > Yeah, saw them myself a while back, and also thought > "Crikey, > expensive!". On the other hand, to generate a > Shepard tone with > Doepfer modules takes an A-191 and 8 VCOs and VCAs, > which with 110s > and 132s comes to grand total of around $1130! > > The little LED 'barber pole' display looks like a > fun gimmick though, > and I bet that greatly adds to the cost, as it looks > like it's made > of discrete LEDs, which therefore must take a lot of > component > placement and soldering time, presumably by hand = > costly! All in > all, very difficult to judge just how much bang one > gets for one's > buck! > > Tim > > ===== synthfreak(parallel worlds) athens-greece [Doepfer_a100] group owner __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com
2003-05-29 by Tim Stinchcombe
Hi Joe, Bakis, > Timothy, I'm nitpicking, but you forgot to include the price of a > pair of A138s to mix down the 8 VCA outputs. Yeah I know - I thought that was being just a little _too_ prissy! Besides as I was adding it all up... > > they are STILL TOO expensive,(the buchla modules), as, > > for $1130 ,you get a doepfer a191(midi-cv plus shepard > > gen.)and 8 vca's and 8 a110's with a million more > > inputs, outputs and knobs! ... I couldn't help but think the same as Bakis here! Still it's 'horses for courses', and 'you pays yer money and you takes yer choice'! doepfer told me that the 80% > > of a module's price goes to the knobs and jacks and > > potentiometers. If I'm to believe this, it must be 80% of the components - the boards and faceplates must be a fair proportion of the final price, but the bulk of the cost of a module must surely be down to the labour for soldering/screwing it together? so,for a doepfer "barberpole effect", > > you pay 1130$ for all these circuits > > AND,mainly,physical components.for the buchla > > barberpole,where do your $1500 go?to the circuits,that > > are the cheapest parts of a module? Well the 260 obviously has a microcontroller in it; for what the 297 does, perhaps it does too, and so maybe they are trying to recoup software development costs. Who knows. But it _would_ be nice to have enough money to be able to justify spending $1500 on a single unit! (Yasi, we envy you!) Tim
2003-05-29 by Bakis Sirros
hi tim, oops,yes, i meant 80% of the components price. bakis. --- Tim Stinchcombe <timothy@tstinchcombe.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Joe, Bakis, > > > Timothy, I'm nitpicking, but you forgot to include > the price of a > > pair of A138s to mix down the 8 VCA outputs. > > Yeah I know - I thought that was being just a little > _too_ prissy! > Besides as I was adding it all up... > > > > they are STILL TOO expensive,(the buchla > modules), as, > > > for $1130 ,you get a doepfer a191(midi-cv plus > shepard > > > gen.)and 8 vca's and 8 a110's with a million > more > > > inputs, outputs and knobs! > > ... I couldn't help but think the same as Bakis > here! Still > it's 'horses for courses', and 'you pays yer money > and you takes yer > choice'! > > doepfer told me that the 80% > > > of a module's price goes to the knobs and jacks > and > > > potentiometers. > > If I'm to believe this, it must be 80% of the > components - the boards > and faceplates must be a fair proportion of the > final price, but the > bulk of the cost of a module must surely be down to > the labour for > soldering/screwing it together? > > so,for a doepfer "barberpole effect", > > > you pay 1130$ for all these circuits > > > AND,mainly,physical components.for the buchla > > > barberpole,where do your $1500 go?to the > circuits,that > > > are the cheapest parts of a module? > > Well the 260 obviously has a microcontroller in it; > for what the 297 > does, perhaps it does too, and so maybe they are > trying to recoup > software development costs. Who knows. But it > _would_ be nice to have > enough money to be able to justify spending $1500 on > a single unit! > (Yasi, we envy you!) > > Tim > > ===== synthfreak(parallel worlds) athens-greece [Doepfer_a100] group owner __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com
2003-05-30 by Andrew Ison
I may have to pick up one of theses orphan modules.
----- Original Message -----
From: klamb000
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 5:56 PM
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A191 (Buchla Barber Pole modules)
I agree Joe. One of the best features (at least in my weird opinion)
is the MIDI synced LFO.
Regards,
Kevin
--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Buechler"
<buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > Yeah, saw them myself a while back, and also thought "Crikey,
> > expensive!". On the other hand, to generate a Shepard tone with
> > Doepfer modules takes an A-191 and 8 VCOs and VCAs, which with
110s
> > and 132s comes to grand total of around $1130!
>
> You know, in some ways it's almost a shame that the A191 even has
the
> Shepard function.
>
> One of Dieter's previous emails mentioned that the A191 doesn't
sell
> well. My guess is that a lot of folks dismiss the A191 because they
> don't think the Shepard function is worth it. Too bad, because the
> module is way worth having even if you never use the Shepard
function
> (as I never do).
>
> Definitely one of the top under-rated modules.
>
> Joe
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2003-05-30 by Joe Buechler
> Yeah, saw them myself a while back, and also thought "Crikey, > expensive!". On the other hand, to generate a Shepard tone with > Doepfer modules takes an A-191 and 8 VCOs and VCAs, which with 110s > and 132s comes to grand total of around $1130! You know, in some ways it's almost a shame that the A191 even has the Shepard function. One of Dieter's previous emails mentioned that the A191 doesn't sell well. My guess is that a lot of folks dismiss the A191 because they don't think the Shepard function is worth it. Too bad, because the module is way worth having even if you never use the Shepard function (as I never do). Definitely one of the top under-rated modules. Joe
2003-05-30 by klamb000
I agree Joe. One of the best features (at least in my weird opinion) is the MIDI synced LFO. Regards, Kevin --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Buechler" <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote: > > Yeah, saw them myself a while back, and also thought "Crikey, > > expensive!". On the other hand, to generate a Shepard tone with > > Doepfer modules takes an A-191 and 8 VCOs and VCAs, which with 110s > > and 132s comes to grand total of around $1130! > > You know, in some ways it's almost a shame that the A191 even has the > Shepard function. > > One of Dieter's previous emails mentioned that the A191 doesn't sell > well. My guess is that a lot of folks dismiss the A191 because they > don't think the Shepard function is worth it. Too bad, because the > module is way worth having even if you never use the Shepard function
> (as I never do). > > Definitely one of the top under-rated modules. > > Joe
2003-05-30 by Bakis Sirros
hi list, i have an a191 and use it very often!most of the times i use it for the midi cc to cv functions,but i have ,also, used it for it's shepard functions with 4 a125 vc-phaser modules for a shepard phaser effect. bakis. --- klamb000 <lamb@charter.net> wrote: > I agree Joe. One of the best features (at least in > my weird opinion) > is the MIDI synced LFO. > > Regards, > Kevin > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Buechler" > <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote: > > > Yeah, saw them myself a while back, and also > thought "Crikey, > > > expensive!". On the other hand, to generate a > Shepard tone with > > > Doepfer modules takes an A-191 and 8 VCOs and > VCAs, which with > 110s > > > and 132s comes to grand total of around $1130! > > > > You know, in some ways it's almost a shame that > the A191 even has > the > > Shepard function. > > > > One of Dieter's previous emails mentioned that the > A191 doesn't > sell > > well. My guess is that a lot of folks dismiss the > A191 because they > > don't think the Shepard function is worth it. Too > bad, because the > > module is way worth having even if you never use > the Shepard > function > > (as I never do). > > > > Definitely one of the top under-rated modules. > > > > Joe > > ===== synthfreak(parallel worlds) athens-greece [Doepfer_a100] group owner __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com
2003-06-02 by selfoscillate
absolutely. they are much too expensive, it's ridiculous. best wishes ingo --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote: > sorry to dissapoint you guys, but the prices are > redicoulous!don't you agree? > bakis. > > > > --- klamb000 <lamb@c...> wrote: > > I know of two people that have purchased Barber > > Poles, and both have > > complained loudly about the build quality (and I'm > > just repeating > > what two highly respected professionals have told > > me). I was told > > they used nylon pots (which were allegedly off > > center to the > > faceplate), and that one of the modules arrived DOA. > > > > At the price they're charging for those things, you > > would think > > they'd at least made sure they worked. > > > > Regards, > > Kevin > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Paul Schulz > > <dasfonk@w...> wrote: > > > hi list, > > > > > > has anybody recognised that module 297 (infinite > > phase shifter) and > > 260 > > > (duophonic pitch class generator) will be > > available from Buchla > > soon? > > > There will be only a limited number. Price is > > $1500 for the 297 and > > > $1250 for the 260. Expensive.... :-( > > > > > > Gosh, Buchla´s faceplate design is sooo great! > > Does anybody know > > where > > > to get the colored knobs? I´d love to have my > > A-100 behind Buchla- > > esque > > > faceplates... > > > > > > cheers > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > ethanzer0 wrote: > > > > > > > hey Bakis, > > > > > > > > If you get a chance to ask Dieter > > > > about the A149-1 I am curious if > > > > he is planning on using vactrols > > > > in the design. And, tell him I am > > > > impressed by graphic design choice > > > > for the front panel as it looks just > > > > like the graphic from the Buchla 266. > > > > I'm sure it will be a hot item once > > > > available. > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > > > Ethan > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=251812.3170658.4537139.1512248/D=egroupweb/S=17
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