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voltage for logic function in the A 189-1

2015-10-07 by fitz

Hi
I'got a A189-1.
I 'm asking a question about voltage to trigger the function and ( position 2) or the other logical functions .
if I plug 2 out of a A155 ( trigger output or gate output ) in the A 189-1 the logical function doesn't works , is it because the A155 give a voltage about 5V ?
If a A 160 or 161 is use it seems to work is it because voltage is 10 Volts ?
if it is because of this, is ther another solution to work with the A 155 than, using a A 183-3 to amplify the voltage to 10 volts ?

Thank you

AW: [Doepfer_a100] voltage for logic function in the A 189-1

2015-10-08 by yahoo@doepfer.de

> Hi
> I'got a A189-1.
> I 'm asking a question about voltage to trigger the function and ( position 2) or the other logical functions .
> if I plug 2 out of a A155 ( trigger output or gate output ) in the A 189-1 the logical function doesn't works , is it
> because the A155 give a voltage about 5V ?
>
> If a A 160 or  161 is use it seems to work is it because voltage is 10 Volts ?
> if it is because of this, is ther another solution to work with the A 155  than, using a A 183-3 to amplify the voltage
> to 10 volts ?
>
>
> Thank you

Sorry - I don't understand your question. The A-189-1 is a bit modifier used to process audio signals (e.g. triangle or sawtooth
from a VCO)

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] voltage for logic function in the A 189-1

2015-10-08 by fitz

Thank you for your answer Dieterbut if the switch is in the position 2 ( or 3 or 4 ) it became a logical module , using the input signal plug and the BC cv input .is my original mail more understandable  ?
Thank you
GEORGES

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> Hi
> I'got a A189-1.
> I 'm asking a question about voltage to trigger the function and ( position 2) or the other logical functions .
> if I plug 2 out of a A155 ( trigger output or gate output ) in the A 189-1 the logical function doesn't works , is it
> because the A155 give a voltage about 5V ?
>
> If a A 160 or  161 is use it seems to work is it because voltage is 10 Volts ?
> if it is because of this, is ther another solution to work with the A 155  than, using a A 183-3 to amplify the voltage
> to 10 volts ?
>
>
> Thank you

Sorry - I don't understand your question. The A-189-1 is a bit modifier used to process audio signals (e.g. triangle or sawtooth
from a VCO)

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer



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Re: [Doepfer_a100] voltage for logic function in the A 189-1

2015-10-08 by Anwander, Florian

If you use it that way, you have to adopt the levels of both signals 
("Signal In" and "BC CV") with the "Lev" potentiometers and the 
BC-Offset to act equally.



Am 08.10.2015 um 10:53 schrieb fitz fytz_72@yahoo.fr [Doepfer_a100]:
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> Thank you for your answer Dieter
> but if the switch is in the position 2 ( or 3 or 4 ) it became a 
> logical module , using the input signal plug and the BC cv input .
> is my original mail more understandable  ?
>
> Thank you
>

AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] voltage for logic function in the A 189-1

2015-10-08 by yahoo@doepfer.de

> Thank you for your answer Dieter
> but if the switch is in the position 2 ( or 3 or 4 ) it became a logical module , using the input signal plug and the BC
> cv input .
> is my original mail more understandable  ?
>
> Thank you
>
> GEORGES

It's a while ago that the module was designed and I do not remember exactly the features of the AND, OR and XOR modes. As far as I
remember the incoming signal and the BC signal are both AD converted into 8 bit digital signals which are AND/OR/XOR combined and
the result is sent to the output DAC (i.e. the single bits are AND/OR/XOR combined). To be on the safe side please contact Christian
Assall (software@doepfer.de). He programmed the firmware of the A-189-1 and knows details.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Re: voltage for logic function in the A 189-1

2015-11-15 by acgenerator@att.net

So if you are sending the A-155 output to the CV input of the Bit Crusher that voltage would be used as the second source for the logic, That signal would get treated as a High/Low.

I've tried with a number of other sources (I don't own A-155) and can confirm the BC functionality works with a variety of signal voltages via oscilloscope. It has a pretty low threshold for hitting the HIGH value though sometimes you might not hear it. No need to manipulate the voltage +5 is plenty high.

Hear is what I *think* may be your problem. Between the inherent low sample rate of a bitcrusher and the very short change in input signal you likely won't hear much change. Here's why:

The A-155 is likely sending a GATE out signal nearly constantly (ie some not is always getting played) and the sample rate doesn't pick up the couple of ms time between notes. If you don't have any rests/note off the value of GATE only changes briefly during the switch... thus it always treated as 1 in the logic. Remember GATE is a HIGH/LOW not the value of the note.

With a Trigger signal you have the reverse problem - the signal is almost always low. I used a LFO sent to a Gate to Trigger converter to test. Only on a few different speeds is the change even noticeable audibly and just as a periodic crackle sound. (ie Trigger is nearly always treated as 0 in the logic)

The solution: Make sure the signal your sending has values both high and low values for long enough durations for the A-189-1 to sample it at opposite values. I am assuming you want to see variation/distortion rather than a simple downsample of your audio signal. A-160/161 produces noticeable changes because you have longer high/low signals.


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