Doepfer

>
> > You might already have guessed it, I am interested. Very much indeed!
> > A question however: you write " I simply do the arpeggiation in MIDI before converting to CV". I can see that happen from a software pattern sequencer, but from playing a keyboard live, do you route the MIDI from the keyboard through arpeggio creating hardware?
> 
> Hi Ton!
> 
> Hmm, interesting question.  I don't really perform live, I generally enter and manipulate notes directly in the DAW (I come from a tracking background), so this isn't an issue for me.  I can't think of anything offhand (either hardware or software) that converts polyphonic MIDI chords into monophonic MIDI arpeggios, but it should be pretty simple to make that too, just as with control voltages.  Reason's RPG-8 comes close, but that's converting MIDI into pseudo-CV (at least, I think it is; it's hard to tell with closed source software).  The only thing I haven't been able to do in MIDI due to the limitation of the spec itself is portamento, as in acid style sliding, although if the controller and receiver agreed on a pitch bend range, that would be theoretically possible.  But arpeggios are straightforward, just being lots of regular notes in quick succession, so although I can't think of any such converter, it should be possible to build.
> 
> There's a real advantage to automated arepeggiators too, regardless of whether they're software or hardware based: besides being able to play live arpeggios, you can also slowly sweep the arpeggiator's clock speed up and down as you play (which is what I do with RPG-8 in a track I co-wrote and performed, Dagda's Arp, for example), which would be ludicrously difficult to do by hand, even when you're editing rather than playing in real time.  The only way I've ever done this is with RPG-8 or, back when I had them, the arpeggiators built into the SH-101 and SidStation.  I presume there are plenty of other synths with built-in arpeggiators too, but I don't know of anything that outputs the arpeggiation as another MIDI signal, or CV signal.  Shame.
> 
> Sorry I couldn't be of more help!
> 
> Thanks,
> Zoë.
>

>
> just to chime in with my two quatloos (and 400 on the newcomer! *ahem*... sorry... recovering trekaholic ^_^ )
> 
> i love arpeggiators, and was always disappointed i couldn't find many - for a long time in the late 80s & 90s they kinda fell out of fashion, and it wasn't until the "analog revival" that companies started including them in synths again, though there are no current dedicated standalone hardware ones (that i know of). but over the years i've collected a few: Florian already mentioned the Oberheim Cyclone (at the time i got it i had to special order it; probably one of the last ones made before Oberheim went under), a Music And More MAP1 (another one i was glad to get since it seems MAM disappeard off the face of the earth completely several years ago), and an Akai ME20A, which isn't an arpeggiator per se - it's a "sequence arpeggiator": you record the notes/chords seperately from the pattern, which can lead to interesting and unexpected results.
> there's also the arpeggiators in my V-Synth & V-Synth GT which are phenomenal! my Dave Smith Evolver and Prophet '08 also have simple arpeggiators, though they only trigger the internal voices and don't transmit over MIDI (which is actually kinda cool, since it lets you get wild with multiple layered different patterns). the one in my microKorg is certainly serviceable as well.
> and you already mentioned RPG8 in Reason. and now with Reason 6.5 and their new Rack Extensions third-party protocol, i'm sure someone will eventually come up with a new dementedly psychotic multi-arpeggiation module for it (i hope anyway...).
> 
> 
> 
> Heh, I'm glad, thanks. :)  The gist is that I don't know of any standalone hardware arpeggiators, but it should be possible to build one.  I think in general MIDI doesn't lend itself too well to a modular approach, but an arpeggiator would be a (perhaps overlooked) exception to that rule.
> 
> All the best,
> Zoë.
>  
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Maybe it's not a good idea to bring an arpeggiator to the market as many
> companies disappeared after that :-)
> 
> We discussed an arpeggiator module for the A-100 many times in the company
> but never got to the point. Then we lost track of this idea for the benefit
> of other modules. But now as I trace the posts in the group I think we may
> readopt the idea of an arpeggiator module (as I personally like
> arpeggiators). But it should be a bit different compared to the existing
> (but obsolete) designs. From my point of view it should be open to Midi/USB
> (note and clock) and analog clock/CV inputs. And there should be different
> operation modes. E.g. a set of factory presets and some user presets (that
> may be "filled" e.g. by means of playing notes with a Midi keyboard) with
> predefined notes, as well as a mode (maybe preset #0) that requires an
> external Midi keyboard to define the notes "on the fly" (not sure if this is
> the correct term). The "presets" > 0 would allow a stand-alone operation
> without the need of a keyboard. If a keyboard controlled arpeggio is wanted
> preset 0 is chosen. And of course features like running mode
> (up/down/random/pendulum) and octave range have to be available. CV inputs
> for some features (e.g. preset selection, mode selection, octave range,
> transpose) should be available. The front panel could be a bit like the
> A-187-1 DSP Effects Module with LCD, a few manual controls and CV inputs
> with attenuators. Some in/outputs have to be added (e.g. USB, Midi,
> transpose CV input, analog clock input, CV out, Gate out) as well as some
> buttons to adjust basic functions in combination with the LCD (e.g. Midi/USB
> or analog clock, Midi channel, "record" function for the user presets and so
> on). Just a few ideas ...
> 
> I'd like to develop an arpeggiator but we will have to see if there are
> sufficient inquiries for such a module.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
> 
> 
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von christian ienni
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Juli 2012 22:44
> > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: arpeggiator
> >
> >
> > just to chime in with my two quatloos (and 400 on the newcomer!
> > *ahem*... sorry... recovering trekaholic ^_^ )
> >
> > i love arpeggiators, and was always disappointed i couldn't find
> > many - for a long time in the late 80s & 90s they kinda fell out
> > of fashion, and it wasn't until the "analog revival" that
> > companies started including them in synths again, though there
> > are no current dedicated standalone hardware ones (that i know
> > of). but over the years i've collected a few: Florian already
> > mentioned the Oberheim Cyclone (at the time i got it i had to
> > special order it; probably one of the last ones made before
> > Oberheim went under), a Music And More MAP1 (another one i was
> > glad to get since it seems MAM disappeard off the face of the
> > earth completely several years ago), and an Akai ME20A, which
> > isn't an arpeggiator per se - it's a "sequence arpeggiator": you
> > record the notes/chords seperately from the pattern, which can
> > lead to interesting and unexpected results.
> > there's also the arpeggiators in my V-Synth & V-Synth GT which
> > are phenomenal! my Dave Smith Evolver and Prophet '08 also have
> > simple arpeggiators, though they only trigger the internal voices
> > and don't transmit over MIDI (which is actually kinda cool, since
> > it lets you get wild with multiple layered different patterns).
> > the one in my microKorg is certainly serviceable as well.
> > and you already mentioned RPG8 in Reason. and now with Reason 6.5
> > and their new Rack Extensions third-party protocol, i'm sure
> > someone will eventually come up with a new dementedly psychotic
> > multi-arpeggiation module for it (i hope anyway...).
> >
> >
> >
> > Heh, I'm glad, thanks. :)  The gist is that I don't know of any
> > standalone hardware arpeggiators, but it should be possible to
> > build one.  I think in general MIDI doesn't lend itself too well
> > to a modular approach, but an arpeggiator would be a (perhaps
> > overlooked) exception to that rule.
> >
> > All the best,
> > Zoë.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von christian ienni
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Juli 2012 22:44
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: arpeggiator
>
>
> just to chime in with my two quatloos (and 400 on the newcomer!
> *ahem*... sorry... recovering trekaholic ^_^ )
>
> i love arpeggiators, and was always disappointed i couldn't find
> many - for a long time in the late 80s & 90s they kinda fell out
> of fashion, and it wasn't until the "analog revival" that
> companies started including them in synths again, though there
> are no current dedicated standalone hardware ones (that i know
> of). but over the years i've collected a few: Florian already
> mentioned the Oberheim Cyclone (at the time i got it i had to
> special order it; probably one of the last ones made before
> Oberheim went under), a Music And More MAP1 (another one i was
> glad to get since it seems MAM disappeard off the face of the
> earth completely several years ago), and an Akai ME20A, which
> isn't an arpeggiator per se - it's a "sequence arpeggiator": you
> record the notes/chords seperately from the pattern, which can
> lead to interesting and unexpected results.
> there's also the arpeggiators in my V-Synth & V-Synth GT which
> are phenomenal! my Dave Smith Evolver and Prophet '08 also have
> simple arpeggiators, though they only trigger the internal voices
> and don't transmit over MIDI (which is actually kinda cool, since
> it lets you get wild with multiple layered different patterns).
> the one in my microKorg is certainly serviceable as well.
> and you already mentioned RPG8 in Reason. and now with Reason 6.5
> and their new Rack Extensions third-party protocol, i'm sure
> someone will eventually come up with a new dementedly psychotic
> multi-arpeggiation module for it (i hope anyway...).
>
>
>
> Heh, I'm glad, thanks. :)  The gist is that I don't know of any
> standalone hardware arpeggiators, but it should be possible to
> build one.  I think in general MIDI doesn't lend itself too well
> to a modular approach, but an arpeggiator would be a (perhaps
> overlooked) exception to that rule.
>
> All the best,
> Zoë.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

 From: "yahoo@doepfer.de" <yahoo@doepfer.de>
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 11:05 AM
Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: arpeggiator
 
Maybe it's not a good idea to bring an arpeggiator to the market as many
companies disappeared after that :-)

We discussed an arpeggiator module for the A-100 many times in the company
but never got to the point. Then we lost track of this idea for the benefit
of other modules. But now as I trace the posts in the group I think we may
readopt the idea of an arpeggiator module (as I personally like
arpeggiators). But it should be a bit different compared to the existing
(but obsolete) designs. From my point of view it should be open to Midi/USB
(note and clock) and analog clock/CV inputs. And there should be different
operation modes. E.g. a set of factory presets and some user presets (that
may be "filled" e.g. by means of playing notes with a Midi keyboard) with
predefined notes, as well as a mode (maybe preset #0) that requires an
external Midi keyboard to define the notes "on the fly" (not sure if this is
the correct term). The "presets" > 0 would allow a stand-alone operation
without the need of a keyboard. If a keyboard controlled arpeggio is wanted
preset 0 is chosen. And of course features like running mode
(up/down/random/pendulum) and octave range have to be available. CV inputs
for some features (e.g. preset selection, mode selection, octave range,
transpose) should be available. The front panel could be a bit like the
A-187-1 DSP Effects Module with LCD, a few manual controls and CV inputs
with attenuators. Some in/outputs have to be added (e.g. USB, Midi,
transpose CV input, analog clock input, CV out, Gate out) as well as some
buttons to adjust basic functions in combination with the LCD (e.g. Midi/USB
or analog clock, Midi channel, "record" function for the user presets and so
on). Just a few ideas ...

I'd like to develop an arpeggiator but we will have to see if there are
sufficient inquiries for such a module.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer


> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von christian ienni
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Juli 2012 22:44
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: arpeggiator
>
>
> just to chime in with my two quatloos (and 400 on the newcomer!
> *ahem*... sorry... recovering trekaholic ^_^ )
>
> i love arpeggiators, and was always disappointed i couldn't find
> many - for a long time in the late 80s & 90s they kinda fell out
> of fashion, and it wasn't until the "analog revival" that
> companies started including them in synths again, though there
> are no current dedicated standalone hardware ones (that i know
> of). but over the years i've collected a few: Florian already
> mentioned the Oberheim Cyclone (at the time i got it i had to
> special order it; probably one of the last ones made before
> Oberheim went under), a Music And More MAP1 (another one i was
> glad to get since it seems MAM disappeard off the face of the
> earth completely several years ago), and an Akai ME20A, which
> isn't an arpeggiator per se - it's a "sequence arpeggiator": you
> record the notes/chords seperately from the pattern, which can
> lead to interesting and unexpected results.
> there's also the arpeggiators in my V-Synth & V-Synth GT which
> are phenomenal! my Dave Smith Evolver and Prophet '08 also have
> simple arpeggiators, though they only trigger the internal voices
> and don't transmit over MIDI (which is actually kinda cool, since
> it lets you get wild with multiple layered different patterns).
> the one in my microKorg is certainly serviceable as well.
> and you already mentioned RPG8 in Reason. and now with Reason 6.5
> and their new Rack Extensions third-party protocol, i'm sure
> someone will eventually come up with a new dementedly psychotic
> multi-arpeggiation module for it (i hope anyway...).
>
>
>
> Heh, I'm glad, thanks. :)  The gist is that I don't know of any
> standalone hardware arpeggiators, but it should be possible to
> build one.  I think in general MIDI doesn't lend itself too well
> to a modular approach, but an arpeggiator would be a (perhaps
> overlooked) exception to that rule.
>
> All the best,
> Zoë.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>



------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Ton Akveld
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Juli 2012 10:25
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Re: arpeggiator
>
>
> Even a company as long around as Doepfer? Must not happen!
> I am very glad with this positive reply from Dieter!
> But what now?
> How to measure interest? A new poll? Re-instate the previous one?
> Taking the holiday season into account a poll now may not reflect
> the potential interest.
> Is it possible Dieter, to indicate the cost of an arpeggiator as
> you described?
>
> Warm regards to all,
>
> Ton
>
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <yahoo@...> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe it's not a good idea to bring an arpeggiator to the market as many
> > companies disappeared after that :-)
> >
> > We discussed an arpeggiator module for the A-100 many times in
> the company
> > but never got to the point. Then we lost track of this idea for
> the benefit
> > of other modules. But now as I trace the posts in the group I
> think we may
> > readopt the idea of an arpeggiator module (as I personally like
> > arpeggiators). But it should be a bit different compared to the existing
> > (but obsolete) designs. From my point of view it should be open
> to Midi/USB
> > (note and clock) and analog clock/CV inputs. And there should
> be different
> > operation modes. E.g. a set of factory presets and some user
> presets (that
> > may be "filled" e.g. by means of playing notes with a Midi
> keyboard) with
> > predefined notes, as well as a mode (maybe preset #0) that requires an
> > external Midi keyboard to define the notes "on the fly" (not
> sure if this is
> > the correct term). The "presets" > 0 would allow a stand-alone operation
> > without the need of a keyboard. If a keyboard controlled
> arpeggio is wanted
> > preset 0 is chosen. And of course features like running mode
> > (up/down/random/pendulum) and octave range have to be
> available. CV inputs
> > for some features (e.g. preset selection, mode selection, octave range,
> > transpose) should be available. The front panel could be a bit like the
> > A-187-1 DSP Effects Module with LCD, a few manual controls and CV inputs
> > with attenuators. Some in/outputs have to be added (e.g. USB, Midi,
> > transpose CV input, analog clock input, CV out, Gate out) as
> well as some
> > buttons to adjust basic functions in combination with the LCD
> (e.g. Midi/USB
> > or analog clock, Midi channel, "record" function for the user
> presets and so
> > on). Just a few ideas ...
> >
> > I'd like to develop an arpeggiator but we will have to see if there are
> > sufficient inquiries for such a module.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
> >
> >
> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von christian ienni
> > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Juli 2012 22:44
> > > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: arpeggiator
> > >
> > >
> > > just to chime in with my two quatloos (and 400 on the newcomer!
> > > *ahem*... sorry... recovering trekaholic ^_^ )
> > >
> > > i love arpeggiators, and was always disappointed i couldn't find
> > > many - for a long time in the late 80s & 90s they kinda fell out
> > > of fashion, and it wasn't until the "analog revival" that
> > > companies started including them in synths again, though there
> > > are no current dedicated standalone hardware ones (that i know
> > > of). but over the years i've collected a few: Florian already
> > > mentioned the Oberheim Cyclone (at the time i got it i had to
> > > special order it; probably one of the last ones made before
> > > Oberheim went under), a Music And More MAP1 (another one i was
> > > glad to get since it seems MAM disappeard off the face of the
> > > earth completely several years ago), and an Akai ME20A, which
> > > isn't an arpeggiator per se - it's a "sequence arpeggiator": you
> > > record the notes/chords seperately from the pattern, which can
> > > lead to interesting and unexpected results.
> > > there's also the arpeggiators in my V-Synth & V-Synth GT which
> > > are phenomenal! my Dave Smith Evolver and Prophet '08 also have
> > > simple arpeggiators, though they only trigger the internal voices
> > > and don't transmit over MIDI (which is actually kinda cool, since
> > > it lets you get wild with multiple layered different patterns).
> > > the one in my microKorg is certainly serviceable as well.
> > > and you already mentioned RPG8 in Reason. and now with Reason 6.5
> > > and their new Rack Extensions third-party protocol, i'm sure
> > > someone will eventually come up with a new dementedly psychotic
> > > multi-arpeggiation module for it (i hope anyway...).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Heh, I'm glad, thanks. :)  The gist is that I don't know of any
> > > standalone hardware arpeggiators, but it should be possible to
> > > build one.  I think in general MIDI doesn't lend itself too well
> > > to a modular approach, but an arpeggiator would be a (perhaps
> > > overlooked) exception to that rule.
> > >
> > > All the best,
> > > Zoë.
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

>
> Am 04.07.2012 16:42, schrieb Florian Anwander:
> > Hello
> >
> > Am 03.07.2012 18:21, schrieb Zoë Blade:
> >> but I don't know of anything that outputs the arpeggiation as another
> >> MIDI signal, or CV signal. Shame.
> > Those come to my mind immediately. There may be more:
> > * Oberheim Cyclone
> > * Akai ME20
> > * Akai MPK49
> 
> While the mentioned standalone tools are all out of production:
> The mutable instruments Midipal is an actual available Device, which 
> receives chords from MIDI and sends MIDI-Arpeggios.
> http://mutable-instruments.net/midipal/
> 
> (this is an incredible box anyway!)
> 
> Florian
> 
> -- 
> http://fa.utfs.org/
>

 From: Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de>
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] arpeggiator
 

  
Am 04.07.2012 16:42, schrieb Florian Anwander:
> Hello
>
> Am 03.07.2012 18:21, schrieb Zoë Blade:
>> but I don't know of anything that outputs the arpeggiation as another
>> MIDI signal, or CV signal. Shame.
> Those come to my mind immediately. There may be more:
> * Oberheim Cyclone
> * Akai ME20
> * Akai MPK49

While the mentioned standalone tools are all out of production:
The mutable instruments Midipal is an actual available Device, which 
receives chords from MIDI and sends MIDI-Arpeggios.
http://mutable-instruments.net/midipal/

(this is an incredible box anyway!)

Florian

-- 
http://fa.utfs.org/

 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>
> Thanks Florian!
> I immediately ordered one and just got notified it's shipped.
> I'll keep the group informed :-)
> 
> Ton
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander <fanwander@> wrote:
> >
> > Am 04.07.2012 16:42, schrieb Florian Anwander:
> > > Hello
> > >
> > > Am 03.07.2012 18:21, schrieb Zoë Blade:
> > >> but I don't know of anything that outputs the arpeggiation as another
> > >> MIDI signal, or CV signal. Shame.
> > > Those come to my mind immediately. There may be more:
> > > * Oberheim Cyclone
> > > * Akai ME20
> > > * Akai MPK49
> > 
> > While the mentioned standalone tools are all out of production:
> > The mutable instruments Midipal is an actual available Device, which 
> > receives chords from MIDI and sends MIDI-Arpeggios.
> > http://mutable-instruments.net/midipal/
> > 
> > (this is an incredible box anyway!)
> > 
> > Florian
> > 
> > -- 
> > http://fa.utfs.org/
> >
>

On 5 Jul 2012, at 20:40, christian ienni wrote:

> Holy Hellhounds of Heisenberg!!! WOW.....
> 
> thank you for the link Florian! that looks like an *amazing* little box - i love how it combines a lot of practical nuts & bolts midi utility functions (that you can't do without a computer anymore), and a whole mess of really cool esoteric performance/creative tools.
> 
> this thing is right up my alley - i think i'm going to have to get one (*at least* one.... ;-)
> 
> 
> they look like a really cool little company too.
> 
> many thanks again!
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de>
> 
> While the mentioned standalone tools are all out of production:
> The mutable instruments Midipal is an actual available Device, which 
> receives chords from MIDI and sends MIDI-Arpeggios.
> http://mutable-instruments.net/midipal/
> 
> (this is an incredible box anyway!)
> 
> Florian