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2012-02-06 by the_real_dripfeed
I miss my Dark Energy, which I traded for some Euro modules as I was growing my new modular rack. And it got me thinking: What modules would I need to recreate a Dark Energy (and don't say A-111-5...that's cheating)? It's trickier than it sounds because I'm not sure which Doepfer filter is the same as the one on the Dark Energy. Also, the DE filter had linear and exponential FM.
2012-02-06 by the_real_dripfeed
--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <yahoo@...> wrote: > > > if you really want to exactly recreate the dark energy sound and > > feel.... go for the A111-5.... > > > > > > Bakis > > Exactly. Especially because of the linear filter FM. There is no A-100 VCF > available that offers this feature. And even the VCO and VCA are unique. The > VCO is close to the A-111-1, but there is no A-100 VCA module available with > the combined linear/exponential response of the Dark Energy/A-111-5 VCA. > > Though it has strictly speaking nothing to do with the A-100: The Dark Energy > will be discontinued as the CEM3394 is no longer available and the negotiations > with the manufacturer (OnChip, the Curtis Electromusic successor) concerning a > new productions series of the CEM3394 were not successful so far. We think about > a redesign of the unit (Dark Energy II) but it will be another instrument with a > different sound and features (e.g. probably a 12 dB multimode filter with > lowpass, highpass, bandpass and notch instead of the 24 dB lowpass). > > Best wishes > Dieter Doepfer Put a keyboard on it Dieter, and you would rule the world (like the Arturia Minibrute is just about to do). Out of interest, what were the knobs you used on the Dark Energy? I really liked them.
2012-02-06 by Bakis Sirros
if you really want to exactly recreate the dark energy sound and feel.... go for the A111-5.... Bakis ________________________________
From: the_real_dripfeed <seandynan@gmail.com> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 11:49 AM Subject: [Doepfer_a100] How to recreate Dark Energy using Euro modules I miss my Dark Energy, which I traded for some Euro modules as I was growing my new modular rack. And it got me thinking: What modules would I need to recreate a Dark Energy (and don't say A-111-5...that's cheating)? It's trickier than it sounds because I'm not sure which Doepfer filter is the same as the one on the Dark Energy. Also, the DE filter had linear and exponential FM. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-02-06 by yahoo@doepfer.de
> if you really want to exactly recreate the dark energy sound and > feel.... go for the A111-5.... > > > Bakis Exactly. Especially because of the linear filter FM. There is no A-100 VCF available that offers this feature. And even the VCO and VCA are unique. The VCO is close to the A-111-1, but there is no A-100 VCA module available with the combined linear/exponential response of the Dark Energy/A-111-5 VCA. Though it has strictly speaking nothing to do with the A-100: The Dark Energy will be discontinued as the CEM3394 is no longer available and the negotiations with the manufacturer (OnChip, the Curtis Electromusic successor) concerning a new productions series of the CEM3394 were not successful so far. We think about a redesign of the unit (Dark Energy II) but it will be another instrument with a different sound and features (e.g. probably a 12 dB multimode filter with lowpass, highpass, bandpass and notch instead of the 24 dB lowpass). Best wishes Dieter Doepfer
2012-02-06 by Florian Anwander
Hello > Put a keyboard on it Dieter, and you would rule the world. +1 Absolutely. And if you clone the SH101 sequencer for it too, you would rule the universe. > (e.g. probably a 12 dB multimode filter with > lowpass, highpass, bandpass and notch instead of the 24 dB lowpass) btw: Until now all filters where some kind of "clones" (ok, the CEM3320 filters where mostly the circuit suggested in the datasheet examples). I think it might be cool to have two dedicated Doepfer Filters. A 12dB state variable filter (which already exist with the DIY synth), and a 24dB OTA-based four stage filter, built with available components like LM137000. The basic 4-stage circuit could be used in a high pass or low pass filter (similar to the CEM3320 and or the roland IR3109). Florian
2012-02-06 by james.husted@mac.com
On Feb 6, 2012, at 2:38 AM, yahoo@doepfer.de wrote: > > Though it has strictly speaking nothing to do with the A-100: The Dark Energy will be discontinued as the CEM3394 is no longer available and the negotiations with the manufacturer (OnChip, the Curtis Electromusic successor) concerning a new productions series of the CEM3394 were not successful so far. We think about a redesign of the unit (Dark Energy II) but it will be another instrument with a different sound and features (e.g. probably a 12 dB multimode filter with lowpass, highpass, bandpass and notch instead of the 24 dB lowpass). > > Best wishes > Dieter Doepfer > Does the A-111-5 also use the CEM3394? Does that mean it also will be discontinued? -James James Husted Designer, Synthwerks LLC www.synthwerks.com james@synthwerks.com synthwerks@me.com
2012-02-06 by Florian Anwander
Am 06.02.2012 17:17, schrieb james.husted@mac.com: > Does the A-111-5 also use the CEM3394? Yes > Does that mean it also will be discontinued? Assumingly yes.
2012-02-07 by yahoo@doepfer.de
> Does the A-111-5 also use the CEM3394? Does that mean it also > will be discontinued? > > -James Yes, the A-111-5 uses also the CEM3394 and will be discontinued. But as we miscalculated the relation of the Dark Energy/A-111-5 sales the A-111-5 stock will last much longer than the Dark Energy stock. I expect that the Dark Energy will be sold out in 2-3 months, but I suppose that the A-111-5 stock will last one year or even longer. Best wishes Dieter Doepfer
2012-02-09 by zzzyzx23
Does this discontinuation of the CEM chip also affect the DIY analog synthesizer kit? Thanks. Geoff --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, james.husted@... wrote:
> > > > On Feb 6, 2012, at 2:38 AM, yahoo@... wrote: > > > > > Though it has strictly speaking nothing to do with the A-100: The Dark Energy will be discontinued as the CEM3394 is no longer available and the negotiations with the manufacturer (OnChip, the Curtis Electromusic successor) concerning a new productions series of the CEM3394 were not successful so far. We think about a redesign of the unit (Dark Energy II) but it will be another instrument with a different sound and features (e.g. probably a 12 dB multimode filter with lowpass, highpass, bandpass and notch instead of the 24 dB lowpass). > > > > Best wishes > > Dieter Doepfer > > > > Does the A-111-5 also use the CEM3394? Does that mean it also will be discontinued? > > -James > > James Husted > Designer, Synthwerks LLC > www.synthwerks.com > james@... > synthwerks@... >
2012-02-10 by yahoo@doepfer.de
> Does this discontinuation of the CEM chip also affect the DIY > analog synthesizer kit? > > Thanks. > > Geoff No the DIY Synth has been developed based on circuits which are currently in production. We will probably use parts of the DIY Synth circuit (e.g. the multimode VCF) for the Dark Energy redesign (Dark Energy II). Best wishes Dieter Doepfer
2012-02-13 by Geoff Coward
Thanks for the information - that's good news. DE II with that multi-mode filter sounds very interesting! Especially if it has VC over the resonance … :) Geoff ________________________________
From: "yahoo@doepfer.de" <yahoo@doepfer.de> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:12 AM Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: How to recreate Dark Energy using Euro modules > Does this discontinuation of the CEM chip also affect the DIY > analog synthesizer kit? > > Thanks. > > Geoff No the DIY Synth has been developed based on circuits which are currently in production. We will probably use parts of the DIY Synth circuit (e.g. the multimode VCF) for the Dark Energy redesign (Dark Energy II). Best wishes Dieter Doepfer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-03-14 by Monroe Eskew
Looks like the DE1 will be quite a collector's item with its unique features and accurate vco. I'm glad to have one. Monroe On Feb 6, 2012, at 2:38 AM, <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote: > > if you really want to exactly recreate the dark energy sound and > > feel.... go for the A111-5.... > > > > > > Bakis > > Exactly. Especially because of the linear filter FM. There is no A-100 VCF available that offers this feature. And even the VCO and VCA are unique. The VCO is close to the A-111-1, but there is no A-100 VCA module available with the combined linear/exponential response of the Dark Energy/A-111-5 VCA. > > Though it has strictly speaking nothing to do with the A-100: The Dark Energy will be discontinued as the CEM3394 is no longer available and the negotiations with the manufacturer (OnChip, the Curtis Electromusic successor) concerning a new productions series of the CEM3394 were not successful so far. We think about a redesign of the unit (Dark Energy II) but it will be another instrument with a different sound and features (e.g. probably a 12 dB multimode filter with lowpass, highpass, bandpass and notch instead of the 24 dB lowpass). > > Best wishes > Dieter Doepfer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-03-14 by yahoo@doepfer.de
> Looks like the DE1 will be quite a collector's item with its > unique features and accurate vco. I'm glad to have one. > > Monroe Exactly. All DE1 that still can be manufactured are already pre-ordered (still ~ 220 units can be produced). But there is a small chance that the DE1 will rise from the dead later. Onchip promised that they will manufacture the CEM3394 for us again in the future but they could not tell us a binding delivery date as they are still about to adapt the CEM3394 for today's production process. A rough estimate was that it will take at least one year until the CEM3394 is available again. That's why we decided to develop the DE2. Best wishes Dieter Doepfer
2012-03-14 by the_real_dripfeed
--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <yahoo@...> wrote: > > > Looks like the DE1 will be quite a collector's item with its > > unique features and accurate vco. I'm glad to have one. > > > > Monroe > > Exactly. All DE1 that still can be manufactured are already pre-ordered > (still ~ 220 units can be produced). But there is a small chance that the > DE1 will rise from the dead later. Onchip promised that they will > manufacture the CEM3394 for us again in the future but they could not tell > us a binding delivery date as they are still about to adapt the CEM3394 for > today's production process. A rough estimate was that it will take at least > one year until the CEM3394 is available again. That's why we decided to > develop the DE2. > > Best wishes > Dieter Doepfer Hi Dieter I have to ask as a former owner of a Dark Energy (the little beauty that got me into modular in the first place)...can you tell us anything about the DE2? Features, timescales, design..?
2012-03-14 by istari
hi i just checked the upcoming module page and this link is wrong: A-143-6 Multiple Synced VC LFO it goes to: http://www.doepfer.de/a1434.htm is there allready some more infos about this lfo? best felix [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-03-14 by yahoo@doepfer.de
> Hi Dieter > > I have to ask as a former owner of a Dark Energy (the little > beauty that got me into modular in the first place)...can you > tell us anything about the DE2? Features, timescales, design..? It's already on our website (link in the Musikmesse Frankfurt announcement on the news page). Best wishes Dieter Doepfer
2012-03-14 by yahoo@doepfer.de
> hi > > i just checked the upcoming module page and this link is wrong: > A-143-6 Multiple Synced VC LFO > > it goes to: http://www.doepfer.de/a1434.htm > > is there allready some more infos about this lfo? > > best > felix I'll correct the link. The project has been stopped as we found that the planned processor is much too slow for this job. And at the moment there are too many other projects that have to be finished (Dark Energy II, A-192-2, A-190-5, Miniature Schaltwerk, A-100 Sync module, and some more). I don't think that we will be able to continue with this module in the near future. But it's not off the stove. Best wishes Dieter Doepfer
2012-03-14 by Florian Anwander
Am 14.03.2012 14:13, schrieb istari: > i just checked the upcoming module page and this link is wrong: > A-143-6 Multiple Synced VC LFO > > it goes to: http://www.doepfer.de/a1434.htm Try http://www.doepfer.de/a1436.htm btw: I don't see the need for such a module. There are LFOs with a reset input In fact I really desire ;-) a true clock synced LFO. This would be basically a PIC/CPU based digital module: Reads clock (MIDI-Clock or other analogue 24ticks/quarter clock like DIN-Sync). The clock reads out waveforms from a memory. Various division factors can be selected for the ratio clock/lfo cycle. The CPU calculates a speed dependent CV, which again controls a vc slew limiter, which smoothes the steps in the digital provided waveforms. Florian
2012-03-14 by Jim Credland
Dieter, which processor were you using ? Cheers, j. On 14 Mar 2012, at 13:26, <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote: > > hi > > > > i just checked the upcoming module page and this link is wrong: > > A-143-6 Multiple Synced VC LFO > > > > it goes to: http://www.doepfer.de/a1434.htm > > > > is there allready some more infos about this lfo? > > > > best > > felix > > I'll correct the link. The project has been stopped as we found that the > planned processor is much too slow for this job. And at the moment there are > too many other projects that have to be finished (Dark Energy II, A-192-2, > A-190-5, Miniature Schaltwerk, A-100 Sync module, and some more). I don't > think that we will be able to continue with this module in the near future. > But it's not off the stove. > > Best wishes > Dieter Doepfer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-03-14 by Florian Anwander
Am 14.03.2012 16:32, schrieb Jim Credland: > Dieter, which processor were you using ? I think the problem is not, that there wouldn't be a fast enough processor. The problem is, that including a new processor into a production process (development tools, testing environments, learning time for the developer, etc...) requires quite a lot of financial effort for a small company like Doepfer. If such a company decides to invest in one processor type, then all forthcoming processor based products should be implemented with this processor for a certain time. Otherwise there wouldn't be a return of investment. Florian
2012-03-14 by yahoo@doepfer.de
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Jim Credland > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. März 2012 16:33 > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] link broken A-143-6 Multiple Synced VC > LFO > > > Dieter, which processor were you using ? > > Cheers, j. I'll have to ask Christian. So far the module was only in the planning stage (not yet a prototype). As far as I remember it was an ARM or PIC (no DSP). Best wishes Dieter Doepfer
2012-03-14 by Jim Credland
Thanks! I am planning something which would need similar power. The design is sitting on the computer here waiting for me to double check the schematic. You've worried me now about an assumption I am making about the dspic I've chosen. I might need to do some more testing :)
On 14 Mar 2012, at 16:11, <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote: > > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com >> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Jim Credland >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. März 2012 16:33 >> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com >> Betreff: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] link broken A-143-6 Multiple Synced VC >> LFO >> >> >> Dieter, which processor were you using ? >> >> Cheers, j. > > I'll have to ask Christian. So far the module was only in the planning stage > (not yet a prototype). As far as I remember it was an ARM or PIC (no DSP). > > Best wishes > Dieter Doepfer > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
2012-03-14 by NetPierre
Mini Schaltwerk... ? Is that what most of us know as the the a-157 ? Pierre Serné / PatchPierre / NetPierre --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@...> wrote:
> > btw, please, do release the A100 Mini-Schaltwerk module! > > Â > Bakis > > > ________________________________ > From: "yahoo@..." <yahoo@...> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 3:26 PM > Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] link broken A-143-6 Multiple Synced VC LFO > > > Â > > hi > > > > i just checked the upcoming module page and this link is wrong: > > A-143-6 Multiple Synced VC LFO > > > > it goes to: http://www.doepfer.de/a1434.htm > > > > is there allready some more infos about this lfo? > > > > best > > felix > > I'll correct the link. The project has been stopped as we found that the > planned processor is much too slow for this job. And at the moment there are > too many other projects that have to be finished (Dark Energy II, A-192-2, > A-190-5, Miniature Schaltwerk, A-100 Sync module, and some more). I don't > think that we will be able to continue with this module in the near future. > But it's not off the stove. > > Best wishes > Dieter Doepfer > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2012-03-14 by Bakis Sirros
btw, please, do release the A100 Mini-Schaltwerk module! Bakis ________________________________
From: "yahoo@doepfer.de" <yahoo@doepfer.de> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 3:26 PM Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] link broken A-143-6 Multiple Synced VC LFO > hi > > i just checked the upcoming module page and this link is wrong: > A-143-6 Multiple Synced VC LFO > > it goes to: http://www.doepfer.de/a1434.htm > > is there allready some more infos about this lfo? > > best > felix I'll correct the link. The project has been stopped as we found that the planned processor is much too slow for this job. And at the moment there are too many other projects that have to be finished (Dark Energy II, A-192-2, A-190-5, Miniature Schaltwerk, A-100 Sync module, and some more). I don't think that we will be able to continue with this module in the near future. But it's not off the stove. Best wishes Dieter Doepfer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-03-14 by Bakis Sirros
i used that (a prototype of course) two years ago, when me and Ingo were preparing some tracks for our second Interconnected album and its a real gem to play. simple, but very very effective. Bakis Sirros www. parallel - worlds - music. com www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476 www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic www. myspace. com/ memorygeist www. DiN. org. uk www. vu-us. com ________________________________
From: NetPierre <pierre@netpierre.nl> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] link broken A-143-6 Multiple Synced VC LFO Mini Schaltwerk... ? Is that what most of us know as the the a-157 ? Pierre Serné / PatchPierre / NetPierre --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@...> wrote: > > btw, please, do release the A100 Mini-Schaltwerk module! > > Â > Bakis > > > ________________________________ > From: "yahoo@..." <yahoo@...> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 3:26 PM > Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] link broken A-143-6 Multiple Synced VC LFO > > > Â > > hi > > > > i just checked the upcoming module page and this link is wrong: > > A-143-6 Multiple Synced VC LFO > > > > it goes to: http://www.doepfer.de/a1434.htm > > > > is there allready some more infos about this lfo? > > > > best > > felix > > I'll correct the link. The project has been stopped as we found that the > planned processor is much too slow for this job. And at the moment there are > too many other projects that have to be finished (Dark Energy II, A-192-2, > A-190-5, Miniature Schaltwerk, A-100 Sync module, and some more). I don't > think that we will be able to continue with this module in the near future. > But it's not off the stove. > > Best wishes > Dieter Doepfer > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-03-15 by yahoo@doepfer.de
> btw, please, do release the A100 Mini-Schaltwerk module! > > > Bakis It's in the pipeline behind A-192-2 and A-190-5. The new pcb with 8x16 buttons and LEDs is already made and we are about to develop the controller board. Best wishes Dieter Doepfer
2012-03-15 by Bakis Sirros
great. lets hope for a release before the end of 2012... Bakis ________________________________
From: "yahoo@doepfer.de" <yahoo@doepfer.de> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:51 AM Subject: AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] link broken A-143-6 Multiple Synced VC LFO > btw, please, do release the A100 Mini-Schaltwerk module! > > > Bakis It's in the pipeline behind A-192-2 and A-190-5. The new pcb with 8x16 buttons and LEDs is already made and we are about to develop the controller board. Best wishes Dieter Doepfer ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]