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Modular Ethics??

2010-08-25 by doof_per

So I think most of you know how daunting and confusing it is to educate yourself about the modular world, where to start, what to buy and hoping that the money you just spent is all going to be worth it.
At least I know in my case, it was probably the most brain-racking 2 months of my life!..but phew was it worth it!!

My importer/local dealer, who knows nothing about modular stuff (this was a 1st time order for him) decides that this might be a cool thing for him too, fair enough..But he orders the EXACT same setup I ordered from him(I ordered seperate units, not the "basic system" etc) just because he's too lazy t do his own research on what he needs or even just wondering what a modular is at all..Im into a completely different genre than he is and my setup was very specific to my music genre..

I guess im just a little frustrated that the guy who I buy it from is the 1st guy to carbon-copy the device I went through all the trouble to sound more "unique", its kind of ironic...Obviously we arent exclusive to anything here, but I believe the modular world allows someones mind to build and be creative with a system that can allow to sound a little different..Wouldnt you say that is bad business ethics from the dealer?

He will probably realise its not for him and pun the carbon copy system to the next guy..

What do you guys think? I respect anyone doing whatever they wish and I always share knowledge with people, (in fact I even helped try to educate/enlighten this guy into types of models/what they do/other brands etc)..But I just think theres a way of doing things no?

Theres lazy..then theres just plain rude IMO..

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Modular Ethics??

2010-08-25 by York Brun Luethje

The whole concept of endorsement deals rests up on this phenomenon. 

I'd be flattered that the guy appears to value your expertise. And if other people in your area cotton on to modular synthesis perhaps you can offer some consulting service.  
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From: "doof_per" <doof_per@yahoo.com>
Sender: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:08:14 
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Modular Ethics??

So I think most of you know how daunting and confusing it is to educate yourself about the modular world, where to start, what to buy and hoping that the money you just spent is all going to be worth it.
At least I know in my case, it was probably the most brain-racking 2 months of my life!..but phew was it worth it!!

My importer/local dealer, who knows nothing about modular stuff (this was a 1st time order for him) decides that this might be a cool thing for him too, fair enough..But he orders the EXACT same setup I ordered from him(I ordered seperate units, not the "basic system" etc) just because he's too lazy t do his own research on what he needs or even just wondering what a modular is at all..Im into a completely different genre than he is and my setup was very specific to my music genre..

I guess im just a little frustrated that the guy who I buy it from is the 1st guy to carbon-copy the device I went through all the trouble to sound more "unique", its kind of ironic...Obviously we arent exclusive to anything here, but I believe the modular world allows someones mind to build and be creative with a system that can allow to sound a little different..Wouldnt you say that is bad business ethics from the dealer?

He will probably realise its not for him and pun the carbon copy system to the next guy..

What do you guys think? I respect anyone doing whatever they wish and I always share knowledge with people, (in fact I even helped try to educate/enlighten this guy into types of models/what they do/other brands etc)..But I just think theres a way of doing things no?

Theres lazy..then theres just plain rude IMO..

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Modular Ethics??

2010-08-25 by Mikhail Novikov

Hi!

I wouldn't be that worried if I were you, tbh. While modules are important
part of a sound that modular produces, you hands and ears are much more
important. Even if someone copies your setup, most probably it will sound
differently, unless they are specifically aiming at reproducing your sound.

Cheers, Mikhail

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 5:08 PM, doof_per <doof_per@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> So I think most of you know how daunting and confusing it is to educate
> yourself about the modular world, where to start, what to buy and hoping
> that the money you just spent is all going to be worth it.
> At least I know in my case, it was probably the most brain-racking 2 months
> of my life!..but phew was it worth it!!
>
> My importer/local dealer, who knows nothing about modular stuff (this was a
> 1st time order for him) decides that this might be a cool thing for him too,
> fair enough..But he orders the EXACT same setup I ordered from him(I ordered
> seperate units, not the "basic system" etc) just because he's too lazy t do
> his own research on what he needs or even just wondering what a modular is
> at all..Im into a completely different genre than he is and my setup was
> very specific to my music genre..
>
> I guess im just a little frustrated that the guy who I buy it from is the
> 1st guy to carbon-copy the device I went through all the trouble to sound
> more "unique", its kind of ironic...Obviously we arent exclusive to anything
> here, but I believe the modular world allows someones mind to build and be
> creative with a system that can allow to sound a little different..Wouldnt
> you say that is bad business ethics from the dealer?
>
> He will probably realise its not for him and pun the carbon copy system to
> the next guy..
>
> What do you guys think? I respect anyone doing whatever they wish and I
> always share knowledge with people, (in fact I even helped try to
> educate/enlighten this guy into types of models/what they do/other brands
> etc)..But I just think theres a way of doing things no?
>
> Theres lazy..then theres just plain rude IMO..
>
>  
>


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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Modular Ethics??

2010-08-25 by Bakis Sirros

my opinion is this:

do not worry at all.
even if he has the exact same modular system/configuration, the resulting musical output Greatly depends on the specific operator of the modular controls!
so, he will, for sure, Not be sounding as you.
you will still get your unique results from your modular machine.

best regards,
Bakis.



Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist

[Doepfer_a100] group owner

www. parallel - worlds - music. com

www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic

www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic

www. myspace. com/ memorygeist

www. DiN. org. uk

www. musicamaximamagnetica. com

www. vu-us. com

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From: doof_per <doof_per@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Modular Ethics??
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 5:08 PM

      So I think most of you know how daunting and confusing it is to educate yourself about the modular world, where to start, what to buy and hoping that the money you just spent is all going to be worth it.

At least I know in my case, it was probably the most brain-racking 2 months of my life!..but phew was it worth it!!

My importer/local dealer, who knows nothing about modular stuff (this was a 1st time order for him) decides that this might be a cool thing for him too, fair enough..But he orders the EXACT same setup I ordered from him(I ordered seperate units, not the "basic system" etc) just because he's too lazy t do his own research on what he needs or even just wondering what a modular is at all..Im into a completely different genre than he is and my setup was very specific to my music genre..

I guess im just a little frustrated that the guy who I buy it from is the 1st guy to carbon-copy the device I went through all the trouble to sound more "unique", its kind of ironic...Obviously we arent exclusive to anything here, but I believe the modular world allows someones mind to build and be creative with a system that can allow to sound a little different..Wouldnt you say that is bad business ethics from the dealer?

He will probably realise its not for him and pun the carbon copy system to the next guy..

What do you guys think? I respect anyone doing whatever they wish and I always share knowledge with people, (in fact I even helped try to educate/enlighten this guy into types of models/what they do/other brands etc)..But I just think theres a way of doing things no?

Theres lazy..then theres just plain rude IMO..

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Modular Ethics??

2010-08-25 by George P. Macklin

While the modular systems may be the same, no two modular users are the
same. You both will explore the system in different ways. You each will have
different workflows.


Cheers,
George

www.granularmatter.com

Eurorack Modules
www.toppobrillo.com



On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> my opinion is this:
>
> do not worry at all.
> even if he has the exact same modular system/configuration, the resulting
> musical output Greatly depends on the specific operator of the modular
> controls!
> so, he will, for sure, Not be sounding as you.
> you will still get your unique results from your modular machine.
>
> best regards,
> Bakis.
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
>
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
>
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
>
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
>
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
>
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
>
> www. DiN. org. uk
>
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
>
> www. vu-us. com
>
> --- On Wed, 8/25/10, doof_per <doof_per@yahoo.com <doof_per%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: doof_per <doof_per@yahoo.com <doof_per%40yahoo.com>>
>
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Modular Ethics??
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 5:08 PM
>
>
>
>
> So I think most of you know how daunting and confusing it is to educate
> yourself about the modular world, where to start, what to buy and hoping
> that the money you just spent is all going to be worth it.
>
> At least I know in my case, it was probably the most brain-racking 2 months
> of my life!..but phew was it worth it!!
>
> My importer/local dealer, who knows nothing about modular stuff (this was a
> 1st time order for him) decides that this might be a cool thing for him too,
> fair enough..But he orders the EXACT same setup I ordered from him(I ordered
> seperate units, not the "basic system" etc) just because he's too lazy t do
> his own research on what he needs or even just wondering what a modular is
> at all..Im into a completely different genre than he is and my setup was
> very specific to my music genre..
>
> I guess im just a little frustrated that the guy who I buy it from is the
> 1st guy to carbon-copy the device I went through all the trouble to sound
> more "unique", its kind of ironic...Obviously we arent exclusive to anything
> here, but I believe the modular world allows someones mind to build and be
> creative with a system that can allow to sound a little different..Wouldnt
> you say that is bad business ethics from the dealer?
>
> He will probably realise its not for him and pun the carbon copy system to
> the next guy..
>
> What do you guys think? I respect anyone doing whatever they wish and I
> always share knowledge with people, (in fact I even helped try to
> educate/enlighten this guy into types of models/what they do/other brands
> etc)..But I just think theres a way of doing things no?
>
> Theres lazy..then theres just plain rude IMO..
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Modular Ethics??

2010-08-25 by Rudy Toussaint

I think that you should be proud to be an inspiration to a newbee. It is just a shame that your dealer is not more informed.Well because of you now that dealer will be a little bit more helpful to others.
Rudetee

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From: doof_per <doof_per@yahoo.com>
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      So I think most of you know how daunting and confusing it is to educate yourself about the modular world, where to start, what to buy and hoping that the money you just spent is all going to be worth it.

At least I know in my case, it was probably the most brain-racking 2 months of my life!..but phew was it worth it!!

My importer/local dealer, who knows nothing about modular stuff (this was a 1st time order for him) decides that this might be a cool thing for him too, fair enough..But he orders the EXACT same setup I ordered from him(I ordered seperate units, not the "basic system" etc) just because he's too lazy t do his own research on what he needs or even just wondering what a modular is at all..Im into a completely different genre than he is and my setup was very specific to my music genre..

I guess im just a little frustrated that the guy who I buy it from is the 1st guy to carbon-copy the device I went through all the trouble to sound more "unique", its kind of ironic...Obviously we arent exclusive to anything here, but I believe the modular world allows someones mind to build and be creative with a system that can allow to sound a little different..Wouldnt you say that is bad business ethics from the dealer?

He will probably realise its not for him and pun the carbon copy system to the next guy..

What do you guys think? I respect anyone doing whatever they wish and I always share knowledge with people, (in fact I even helped try to educate/enlighten this guy into types of models/what they do/other brands etc)..But I just think theres a way of doing things no?

Theres lazy..then theres just plain rude IMO..

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Modular Ethics??

2010-08-25 by tony.steventon@talk21.com

The whole point of a modular is that it is the ultimate in flexibility. Even a 
simple standard setup of a vco, vcf, vca, adsr, lfo for example because the 
setting and interconnection possibilities can yield such a diverse range of 
sounds. 


It all comes down to you and what sounds and music you like to explore. Every 
time I turn on my system it is a voyage of discovery. I'd be quite pleased if 
someone wanted to copy my module selection - I'd see it as an acknowledgement 
that I, at least in their eyes, had something good or know something worth 
knowing. 


Also how many of us have bought modules and ended selling them because they 
don't add much to your sound or workflow? Even if you do a lot of hard thinking 
about your system, as I have, you can get it wrong and then you have the fun of 
choosing some more (and keeping Dieter happy).

 Regards
Tony (www.soundcloud.com/monakrome)





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From: Rudy Toussaint <rudetee@yahoo.com>
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 25 August, 2010 17:45:34
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Modular Ethics??

I think that you should be proud to be an inspiration to a newbee. It is just a 
shame that your dealer is not more informed.Well because of you now that dealer 
will be a little bit more helpful to others.
Rudetee

--- On Wed, 8/25/10, doof_per <doof_per@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: doof_per <doof_per@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Modular Ethics??
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Received: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 10:08 AM

So I think most of you know how daunting and confusing it is to educate yourself 
about the modular world, where to start, what to buy and hoping that the money 
you just spent is all going to be worth it.

At least I know in my case, it was probably the most brain-racking 2 months of 
my life!..but phew was it worth it!!

My importer/local dealer, who knows nothing about modular stuff (this was a 1st 
time order for him) decides that this might be a cool thing for him too, fair 
enough..But he orders the EXACT same setup I ordered from him(I ordered seperate 
units, not the "basic system" etc) just because he's too lazy t do his own 
research on what he needs or even just wondering what a modular is at all..Im 
into a completely different genre than he is and my setup was very specific to 
my music genre..

I guess im just a little frustrated that the guy who I buy it from is the 1st 
guy to carbon-copy the device I went through all the trouble to sound more 
"unique", its kind of ironic...Obviously we arent exclusive to anything here, 
but I believe the modular world allows someones mind to build and be creative 
with a system that can allow to sound a little different..Wouldnt you say that 
is bad business ethics from the dealer?

He will probably realise its not for him and pun the carbon copy system to the 
next guy..

What do you guys think? I respect anyone doing whatever they wish and I always 
share knowledge with people, (in fact I even helped try to educate/enlighten 
this guy into types of models/what they do/other brands etc)..But I just think 
theres a way of doing things no?

Theres lazy..then theres just plain rude IMO..

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Modular Ethics??

2010-08-26 by Daniel Troberg

dont forget there is some patching involved aswell

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On 25 aug 2010, at 16.08, doof_per wrote:

> So I think most of you know how daunting and confusing it is to  
> educate yourself about the modular world, where to start, what to  
> buy and hoping that the money you just spent is all going to be  
> worth it.
> At least I know in my case, it was probably the most brain-racking 2  
> months of my life!..but phew was it worth it!!
>
> My importer/local dealer, who knows nothing about modular stuff  
> (this was a 1st time order for him) decides that this might be a  
> cool thing for him too, fair enough..But he orders the EXACT same  
> setup I ordered from him(I ordered seperate units, not the "basic  
> system" etc) just because he's too lazy t do his own research on  
> what he needs or even just wondering what a modular is at all..Im  
> into a completely different genre than he is and my setup was very  
> specific to my music genre..
>
> I guess im just a little frustrated that the guy who I buy it from  
> is the 1st guy to carbon-copy the device I went through all the  
> trouble to sound more "unique", its kind of ironic...Obviously we  
> arent exclusive to anything here, but I believe the modular world  
> allows someones mind to build and be creative with a system that can  
> allow to sound a little different..Wouldnt you say that is bad  
> business ethics from the dealer?
>
> He will probably realise its not for him and pun the carbon copy  
> system to the next guy..
>
> What do you guys think? I respect anyone doing whatever they wish  
> and I always share knowledge with people, (in fact I even helped try  
> to educate/enlighten this guy into types of models/what they do/ 
> other brands etc)..But I just think theres a way of doing things no?
>
> Theres lazy..then theres just plain rude IMO..
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Modular Ethics??

2010-08-26 by Florian Anwander

Hi

> My importer/local dealer, who knows nothing about modular 
> stuff (this was a 1st time order for him) 
To my knowledge Doepfer cooperates only with a few selected dealers in 
the world (see http://www.doepfer.de/dealer.htm). Simply because they 
want to be sure, that the dealer is able to support the customer in a 
satisfying way.

It looks like your local dealer is none of them. What was the reason not 
to buy at one of the recommended dealers?

Florian

Re: Modular Ethics??

2010-09-10 by jeph

Just for reference, Can we please get the exact list of modules that you ordered?