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CV drift Doepfer/Moog

2010-05-19 by Lars

Does anyone know how to adjust the slight difference of intonation between e.g. Doepfer A-110 oscillator compared to a moogerfooger oscillator (e.g. in the freqbox)?  If I tune it at the lowest pitch it gets gradually out of tune going up a couple of octaves.

I have the same problem with my old micromoog vs the A-110. (but worse) 
Also - the S-trigg signal is inverted on the moog and at a higher voltage (12v I believe),

I want to control my Doepfer A-100 system via micromoog and and an oscillator via the freqbox... 

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

AW: [Doepfer_a100] CV drift Doepfer/Moog

2010-05-20 by yahoo@doepfer.de

> Does anyone know how to adjust the slight difference of
> intonation between e.g. Doepfer A-110 oscillator compared to a
> moogerfooger oscillator (e.g. in the freqbox)?  If I tune it at
> the lowest pitch it gets gradually out of tune going up a couple
> of octaves.
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> I have the same problem with my old micromoog vs the A-110. (but worse)
> Also - the S-trigg signal is inverted on the moog and at a higher
> voltage (12v I believe),
>
> I want to control my Doepfer A-100 system via micromoog and and
> an oscillator via the freqbox...
>
> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

The A-110 adjustment is described in the service manual:

www.doepfer.com > PRODUCTS > A-100 > modules overview > A-110 > service
manual

But as the A-110 are adjusted to 1.00V/octave in the factory I'm not sure if
it's a good idea to change the adjustment because then they will be no
longer compatible to 1.00V/octave CV sources (e.g. A-190-2).

To invert the gate/trigger module A-165 can be used or a S-trig cable as
described on the FAQ page of our website.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Re: [Doepfer_a100] CV drift Doepfer/Moog

2010-05-20 by Shrewsbury Marie

As i recall i tried controlling the osc on a moogerfooger ring mod from the cv outs on a SH101 a few years back and had the same sort of problem, which i didn;t have the bits to do anything about then.

I think there's an offset on the moog osc that's stopping it going down to zero when you turn the knob right down, but as you've noticed it's in the way when you try to tune it for chromatic stuff.

Best guess would be to try mixing a little negative voltage in there to take away the offset, and then tune it up from there?

--- On Wed, 5/19/10, Lars <lahebr2000@yahoo.se> wrote:
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From: Lars <lahebr2000@yahoo.se>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] CV drift  Doepfer/Moog
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 7:34 PM







 



  


    
      
      
      Does anyone know how to adjust the slight difference of intonation between e.g. Doepfer A-110 oscillator compared to a moogerfooger oscillator (e.g. in the freqbox)?  If I tune it at the lowest pitch it gets gradually out of tune going up a couple of octaves.



I have the same problem with my old micromoog vs the A-110. (but worse) 

Also - the S-trigg signal is inverted on the moog and at a higher voltage (12v I believe),



I want to control my Doepfer A-100 system via micromoog and and an oscillator via the freqbox... 



Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.





    
     

    
    


 



  






      

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Re: CV drift Doepfer/Moog

2010-05-20 by Lars

Thanks for the reply!

Would an attenuator like the A-183-1 work to adjust the CV?  

/Lars


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Shrewsbury Marie <propane23@...> wrote:
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> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] CV drift  Doepfer/Moog
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: CV drift Doepfer/Moog

2010-05-20 by Shrewsbury Marie

if i understand what you mean correctly then no, because you'd have changed the scaling and it wouldn;t be v/oct anymore and the offset would still be there, which is even worse.

I could be wrong about this, but if i had to try it now i'd mix some negative cv in to try and cancel out the offset, for which you'd need a constant cv source, voltage inverter and a mixer - or maybe there is a hardware mod out there to remove the offset altogether?

or if you have a sequencer you could bypass the offet/scaling problem altogether by setting the cv levels manually for whatever pitch you want?



--- On Thu, 5/20/10, Lars <lahebr2000@yahoo.se> wrote:
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From: Lars <lahebr2000@yahoo.se>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: CV drift  Doepfer/Moog
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 8:17 PM







 



  


    
      
      
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Would an attenuator like the A-183-1 work to adjust the CV?  



/Lars



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Shrewsbury Marie <propane23@...> wrote:

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> As i recall i tried controlling the osc on a moogerfooger ring mod from the cv outs on a SH101 a few years back and had the same sort of problem, which i didn;t have the bits to do anything about then.

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> I think there's an offset on the moog osc that's stopping it going down to zero when you turn the knob right down, but as you've noticed it's in the way when you try to tune it for chromatic stuff.

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> Best guess would be to try mixing a little negative voltage in there to take away the offset, and then tune it up from there?

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: CV drift Doepfer/Moog

2010-05-20 by Monroe Eskew

It sounds from his description like the scaling is off.  ("..gets gradually
out of tune as I go up a few octaves...")  If you just plug into CV2 of the
A110, that has an attenuator built in, so you can adjust scaling there.  You
could also try adjusting the CV scaling on the micromoog.  If you're not
worried about how it interacts with other CV sources then you could adjust
the CV1 input scaling without worries.  (It's possible that the initial
tuning was imperfect, or that your power supply is interacting with it
slightly differently than the one at the factory.)

Best,
Monroe

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Shrewsbury Marie <propane23@yahoo.com>wrote:

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> if i understand what you mean correctly then no, because you'd have changed
> the scaling and it wouldn;t be v/oct anymore and the offset would still be
> there, which is even worse.
>
> I could be wrong about this, but if i had to try it now i'd mix some
> negative cv in to try and cancel out the offset, for which you'd need a
> constant cv source, voltage inverter and a mixer - or maybe there is a
> hardware mod out there to remove the offset altogether?
>
> or if you have a sequencer you could bypass the offet/scaling problem
> altogether by setting the cv levels manually for whatever pitch you want?
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> --- On Thu, 5/20/10, Lars <lahebr2000@yahoo.se <lahebr2000%40yahoo.se>>
> wrote:
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> From: Lars <lahebr2000@yahoo.se <lahebr2000%40yahoo.se>>
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: CV drift Doepfer/Moog
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> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 8:17 PM
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> Thanks for the reply!
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> Would an attenuator like the A-183-1 work to adjust the CV?
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> /Lars
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> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Shrewsbury Marie <propane23@...> wrote:
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> > As i recall i tried controlling the osc on a moogerfooger ring mod from
> the cv outs on a SH101 a few years back and had the same sort of problem,
> which i didn;t have the bits to do anything about then.
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> > I think there's an offset on the moog osc that's stopping it going down
> to zero when you turn the knob right down, but as you've noticed it's in the
> way when you try to tune it for chromatic stuff.
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> > Best guess would be to try mixing a little negative voltage in there to
> take away the offset, and then tune it up from there?
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> > --- On Wed, 5/19/10, Lars <lahebr2000@...> wrote:
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Re: CV drift Doepfer/Moog

2010-05-22 by Lars

Thanks everyone for the excellent advice.

Best,

Lars


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@...> wrote:
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> It sounds from his description like the scaling is off.  ("..gets gradually
> out of tune as I go up a few octaves...")  If you just plug into CV2 of the
> A110, that has an attenuator built in, so you can adjust scaling there.  You
> could also try adjusting the CV scaling on the micromoog.  If you're not
> worried about how it interacts with other CV sources then you could adjust
> the CV1 input scaling without worries.  (It's possible that the initial
> tuning was imperfect, or that your power supply is interacting with it
> slightly differently than the one at the factory.)
> 
> Best,
> Monroe
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> On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Shrewsbury Marie <propane23@...>wrote:
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> > if i understand what you mean correctly then no, because you'd have changed
> > the scaling and it wouldn;t be v/oct anymore and the offset would still be
> > there, which is even worse.
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> > I could be wrong about this, but if i had to try it now i'd mix some
> > negative cv in to try and cancel out the offset, for which you'd need a
> > constant cv source, voltage inverter and a mixer - or maybe there is a
> > hardware mod out there to remove the offset altogether?
> >
> > or if you have a sequencer you could bypass the offet/scaling problem
> > altogether by setting the cv levels manually for whatever pitch you want?
> >
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> > --- On Thu, 5/20/10, Lars <lahebr2000@... <lahebr2000%40yahoo.se>>
> > wrote:
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> > From: Lars <lahebr2000@... <lahebr2000%40yahoo.se>>
> > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: CV drift Doepfer/Moog
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> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 8:17 PM
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> > Would an attenuator like the A-183-1 work to adjust the CV?
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> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Shrewsbury Marie <propane23@> wrote:
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> > > As i recall i tried controlling the osc on a moogerfooger ring mod from
> > the cv outs on a SH101 a few years back and had the same sort of problem,
> > which i didn;t have the bits to do anything about then.
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> > > I think there's an offset on the moog osc that's stopping it going down
> > to zero when you turn the knob right down, but as you've noticed it's in the
> > way when you try to tune it for chromatic stuff.
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> > > Best guess would be to try mixing a little negative voltage in there to
> > take away the offset, and then tune it up from there?
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> > > --- On Wed, 5/19/10, Lars <lahebr2000@> wrote:
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