Great, thanks! I've printed it all out. Give me a few days to order parts and a spare A150, and I'll give it a try. I'll let you know how it works out also. Joe --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "stinchcombe_t" <tstinchcombe@q...> wrote: > So, here is my modification for the A-150 to get rid of the > bleed-through problem experienced when trying to switch 0-12V > gate/trigger type signals. The mod will allow both normal +/-5V > audio-type signals and also 0-12V gate-type signals to be switched > properly, but note the 0-12V signals connected through the switch will > be reduced to about 0-7.5V. I don't think this will unduly load the > source of the gate/trigger signal, and judging from most of the > circuits I've looked at, it is unlikely to prevent the gate/trigger > signal from doing what it should at its intended destination. (The mod > doesn't alter the negative supply, therefore the bleed-through problem > is likely to remain should you try and switch signals less than -8V.) > Note also that it will increase the power consumption of the module by > about 5mA. > > From these instructions it looks like a lot of work, but it actually > took a lot less time to do the mod than it did to write this lot out!! > > It actually turned out easier to modify the top switch (the left > circuit on the board) and not the bottom one as I thought in a > previous post. Extending to modify both switches just means cutting 3 > more tracks and adding 3 more wires, i.e. it does not double the work > needed. The basic idea is quite simple: put a resistor and zener diode > across the 8V supply to give a new, lower voltage of 6.8V; this is > then applied to the diodes D1, D4 & D5 'protecting' the chip, which > will then stop voltages greater than the supply voltage of 8V reaching > the chip when large signals (such as gate/triggers) are applied to the > switch (see FAQ page on Doepfer site to get a copy of the schematic). > > New components needed (I'm lucky in that I live near to a Maplin's > store, so in brackets I've given their order codes for the parts, > which may be of use to others in the UK, and also possibly those > outside since you can check these parts on their website, > www.maplin.co.uk. They also do a good mail order service.): > - a 240 ohm resistor (nominally 0.25 watt, Maplin ones are 0.6W) (M240R) > - a 6.8V zener diode/voltage regulator diode BZX55C 6V8 (QH10L) > - 3 PCB pins - Maplin code JW59P pin strip is the single version of > the paired pin strips used by Doepfer for the power connector, and can > be cut as required (Maplin do other pins, but these are sold in bags > of 100 (!), e.g. FL20W, FL23A) > - small amount of thin, insulated copper wire (BL09K) > > Identify the following on the board (hold so that 'DOEPFER A-150' text > on the component side is the right way up): > 1. +8V supply rail - this is the main track running along the top > edge of the board: its marked with '+8V' on the solder side where the > capacitor C1 is soldered to it; on top you'll see '+8V' at left-most > pin of IC2/78L08 - underneath you can follow this along and see it's > the same track. > 2. 10K resistor R2 for the left switch is the left-most component on > the board, colour coded: brown, black, orange, gold (note the Doepfer > schematic erroneously shows this as connected to +12V - it's not, it's > connected to the +8V rail). > 3. Diodes D1, D4 & D5 for the left switch: D4 and D5 are immediately > on either side of the left 4053 chip, the black stripes on the diodes > are at the ends connected to the +8V rail; D1 is the left-most of the > 4 diodes to the left of the chip, again the black stripe end is > connected to +8V. > 4. Pins on connector (to power supply) which are grounded. From the > right hand end, working towards the left: first pair of pins is -12V; > next 3 pairs are ground pins we want (connected together by a track on > the PCB); next is +12V; last 3 pairs are not connected to anything > (see connector on Doepfer schematic to clarify if any doubt). > > Drill 3 holes in a straight line, suitable for insertion of the pins, > about 3 to 4mm in from the top edge and about 15mm apart (but not too > close to the +8V rail on underside). (With the 0.6mm bit that comes > with Maplin's drill NF96H this was a simple task.) Call the pins > 'left', 'middle' and 'right': I placed the left one through the 'R' of > 'DOEPFER'; middle one between the '0' of '150' and the rectangle > around 'A-100 modular...'; and the right one between the rectangle and > 'C2 100n'. > > Before inserting the pins, cut the tracks (scrape away the copper > using a sharp pointed object, like a penknife: hold the board up to > the light to check that the track is actually cut): > 1. cut the track where diode D1 connects to the +8V rail > 2. cut the track where D5 connects to the +8V rail > 3. the +8V rail connects to the end pin of the 4053 chip, and then > connects to the next pin to it on the one side, and to diode D4 on the > other: cut the track between the diode and the end pin of the chip (be > careful not to damage the very narrow track close by!) > > Insert the pins so that the longer end projects on the solder side of > the board (using the JW59P pins, I put the little plastic lug on the > component side). Solder wires on the underside of the board, from the > projecting end of the appropriate component to the appropriate pin: > 1. solder a piece of wire from each end of diodes D1, D4 & D5 (the > end next to the cut = same end with black stripe on diode body) to the > bottom of the middle pin (be careful not to get the diodes too hot, it > could destroy them). Attach all 3 wires to the middle pin, and then > solder in one go (or all 6 in one go if doing both switches). Also be > careful not to solder from D4 on to the nearby narrow track. > 2. solder a wire from the end of R2 where it joins the +8V rail to > the bottom of the left pin. > 3. solder a wire from one of the ground pins on the power connector > (one of the middle pair probably easiest) to the bottom of the right pin. > > On top of the board, solder the 240 ohm resistor between the left pin > and the middle pin. Solder the zener diode between the middle pin and > the right pin, with the black stripe nearest the middle pin (again, > probably best to solder the resistor and zener to the middle pin in > one go, and again take care not to overheat the zener!). > > That's it for modifying the left switch. To do the right switch as > well, cut the tracks where the diodes D1, D4 & D5 of the right circuit > connect to the 8V rail, and attach wires from the diodes to the middle > pin. > > To summarize, you should have the following: +8V supply from R2 to 240 > ohm resistor at left pin; 6.8V at middle pin (junction of resistor and > black stripe end of zener) to black stripe ends of diodes D1, D4 & D5, > which are disconnected from the +8V rail; non-stripe end of zener at > right pin to ground at power connector. > > Check: all cuts really are cut; no tracks unintentionally cut; no > stray blobs of solder bridging any tracks. > > To test I suggest something like the following (if modifying one > switch, you can check against the unmodified one; if doing both, a > 'before' and 'after' test would probably be a good idea!). Patch a > suitable CV source to the switch CV (e.g. A-129/3, A-174, A-176); an > LFO square output to A-160 'trig in'; 160 'divide by 2' output (so > this is now 0-12V) to I/O2 on A-150; O/I to CV2 on A-110, listen to an > output of the VCO. With I/O1 unconnected, regardless of the switch > position, on an unmodified switch you should be able to hear the > alternating pitch due to the 0-12V pulses (cut down to about 8.5V) > always coming through the switch (adjust LFO frequency to a suitable > slow rate). If you ground I/O1 i.e. attach a CV source at 0V, the > affect is much less when the switch is 'open', but you can still hear > some variation in pitch caused by the bleed-through. After the mod, > you should only hear the pitch change when the switch is 'closed', > i.e. when the clock signal is switched through; in the 'open' position > the pitch should now be steady. > > If anyone knows if a gate/trigger signal of only 0-7.5V *is* likely to > cause problems (especially Dieter if he is listening in!), then please > put me straight ASAP! I also suppose I should add some kind of > disclaimer: if you do this mod, you'll certainly invalidate any > warranty on the module, and I accept no responsibility if you blow up > your module/your A-100/your pet budgie/yourself/your house etc. etc. > (!!!). > > That being said, if any other clarification is needed, let me know, > and finally, good luck! > > Tim > > [The views expressed above are entirely those of the writer and do not > represent the views, policy or understanding of any other person or > official body.]
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Re: A150 Bleed-thru revisited
2002-05-07 by buechlerjoe
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