Digital BW, The Print

I just read the Mark Dubovoy review of new Epson matte papers on Luminous Landscape

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/printers/epson-papers-09.shtml

It's a very cursory review with little real information, mostly just his personal impressions.  He especially liked the hot press bright version, but never mentioned Dmax.  The only mention of blacks is "The blacks are also weak, but charmingly so" which doesn't tell us much.

Has anyone here tried these papers yet, or know of another review somewhere?


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
I-Trak 2.1   http://www.cjcom.net/itrak.htm

"The blacks are also weak, but charmingly so" <---- I've never encountered the "charming" aspect of low dmax. Maybe it exists for some images, but that statement just made me laugh (in the good way). I can't imagine it makes much of a selling point but then again maybe it does, for someone.

Sarah




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ClaytonJ" <cj@...> wrote:

>
> I just read the Mark Dubovoy review of new Epson matte papers on Luminous Landscape
> 
> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/printers/epson-papers-09.shtml
> 
> It's a very cursory review with little real information, mostly just his personal impressions.  He especially liked the hot press bright version, but never mentioned Dmax.  The only mention of blacks is "The blacks are also weak, but charmingly so" which doesn't tell us much.
> 
> Has anyone here tried these papers yet, or know of another review somewhere?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
> I-Trak 2.1   http://www.cjcom.net/itrak.htm
>

I tried the new papers from a sample kit handed out at Photo Expo in NYC.  
They are great! The colors are rich and true as any photographs I've seen.  
Detail is excellent.  I haven't done any actual testing, but my impressions  
are very positive. It seems that paper technology is finally catching up 
with  what we've been wanting for years!
 
Marty
_www.smfgallery.com_ (http://www.smfgallery.com) 


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what are these matte papers called?

2009/12/3 <MartyF2938@...>

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>
> I tried the new papers from a sample kit handed out at Photo Expo in NYC.
> They are great! The colors are rich and true as any photographs I've seen.
> Detail is excellent. I haven't done any actual testing, but my impressions
> are very positive. It seems that paper technology is finally catching up
> with what we've been wanting for years!
>
> Marty
> _www.smfgallery.com_ (http://www.smfgallery.com)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 
>


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whatever they are, they gotta be something else rebranded... so quite possibly something we've already seen.
Lot'sa deal making going on out there..
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@...> wrote:

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> what are these matte papers called?
> 
> 2009/12/3 <MartyF2938@...>
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> >
> >
> > I tried the new papers from a sample kit handed out at Photo Expo in NYC.
> > They are great! The colors are rich and true as any photographs I've seen.
> > Detail is excellent. I haven't done any actual testing, but my impressions
> > are very positive. It seems that paper technology is finally catching up
> > with what we've been wanting for years!
> >
> > Marty
> > _www.smfgallery.com_ (http://www.smfgallery.com)
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Marty, are these them ?

http://luminous-landscape.com/reviews/printers/epson-papers-09.shtml

2009/12/3 tboleyyh <tyler@...>

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>
> whatever they are, they gotta be something else rebranded... so quite
> possibly something we've already seen.
> Lot'sa deal making going on out there..
> Tyler
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Michael King <drmrking@...> wrote:
> >
> > what are these matte papers called?
> >
> > 2009/12/3 <MartyF2938@...>
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> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I tried the new papers from a sample kit handed out at Photo Expo in
> NYC.
> > > They are great! The colors are rich and true as any photographs I've
> seen.
> > > Detail is excellent. I haven't done any actual testing, but my
> impressions
> > > are very positive. It seems that paper technology is finally catching
> up
> > > with what we've been wanting for years!
> > >
> > > Marty
> > > _www.smfgallery.com_ (http://www.smfgallery.com)
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>


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The watermark on the back says Boley Paper Co.

Hmmm

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Dec 3, 2009, at 1:08 PM, tboleyyh wrote:

> whatever they are, they gotta be something else rebranded... so  
> quite possibly something we've already seen.
> Lot'sa deal making going on out there..
> Tyler
>

must be my cousin from New Jersey, I'm not that good at making deals...

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia <mark@...> wrote:

>
> The watermark on the back says Boley Paper Co.
> 
> Hmmm
> 
> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
> 
> On Dec 3, 2009, at 1:08 PM, tboleyyh wrote:
> 
> > whatever they are, they gotta be something else rebranded... so  
> > quite possibly something we've already seen.
> > Lot'sa deal making going on out there..
> > Tyler
> >
>

ClaytonJ schreef:
> I just read the Mark Dubovoy review of new Epson matte papers on Luminous Landscape
> 
> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/printers/epson-papers-09.shtml
> 
> It's a very cursory review with little real information, mostly just his personal impressions.  He especially liked the hot press bright version, but never mentioned Dmax.  The only mention of blacks is "The blacks are also weak, but charmingly so" which doesn't tell us much.
> 
> Has anyone here tried these papers yet, or know of another review somewhere?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton


And nowhere in that review is a reference to rag, cotton or 
alpha-cellulose. One UK shop says rag but no Epson doc says rag.
Sheets so far but Epson mentions production of rolls later on which 
brings the "mould made" in question. We do no longer expect  that they 
are produced by hand with 4 true deckles but on the cilinder good 
look-a-likes can be produced. However 330 grams can be made on a 
foudrinier these days. Hahnem\ufffdhle does that. Epson calls the papers 
Signature Worthy. Some information on what it really is would be nice 
before signatures are placed. BTW,  Zercall Germany still makes "mould 
made" on the cilinder.

http://epson.ipressroom.com/pr/epson/professional-imaging/Fine_Art_Papers.aspx

-- 
Met vriendelijke groeten,   Ernst


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Epson calls them: 
Hot Press Bright (330 g/m2)
Hot Press Natural (330 g/m2)
Cold Press Bright (430 g/m2)
Cold Press Natural (430 g/m2)
 
Acid Free, mould made, 100% cotton base and optimized for Epson UltraChrome 
 Ink family.
 
Marty
www.smfgallery.com


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Rolls and sheets?

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Dec 4, 2009, at 8:39 AM, MartyF2938@... wrote:

> Epson calls them:
> Hot Press Bright (330 g/m2)
> Hot Press Natural (330 g/m2)
> Cold Press Bright (430 g/m2)
> Cold Press Natural (430 g/m2)
>
> Acid Free, mould made, 100% cotton base and optimized for Epson  
> UltraChrome
> Ink family.
>
> Marty
> www.smfgallery.com

This is the confusion I am having. I, too, found the Hot and Cold Press Epson papers at PhotoPlus and loved them. How is it possible, though, that B&H Photo carries it but Epson has NO mention of it anywhere on their website? (It's beautiful, by the way...)

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla <edinkla@...> wrote:

>
> ClaytonJ schreef:
> > I just read the Mark Dubovoy review of new Epson matte papers on Luminous Landscape
> > 
> > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/printers/epson-papers-09.shtml
> > 
> > It's a very cursory review with little real information, mostly just his personal impressions.  He especially liked the hot press bright version, but never mentioned Dmax.  The only mention of blacks is "The blacks are also weak, but charmingly so" which doesn't tell us much.
> > 
> > Has anyone here tried these papers yet, or know of another review somewhere?
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Clayton
> 
> 
> And nowhere in that review is a reference to rag, cotton or 
> alpha-cellulose. One UK shop says rag but no Epson doc says rag.
> Sheets so far but Epson mentions production of rolls later on which 
> brings the "mould made" in question. We do no longer expect  that they 
> are produced by hand with 4 true deckles but on the cilinder good 
> look-a-likes can be produced. However 330 grams can be made on a 
> foudrinier these days. Hahnemühle does that. Epson calls the papers 
> Signature Worthy. Some information on what it really is would be nice 
> before signatures are placed. BTW,  Zercall Germany still makes "mould 
> made" on the cilinder.
> 
> http://epson.ipressroom.com/pr/epson/professional-imaging/Fine_Art_Papers.aspx
> 
> -- 
> Met vriendelijke groeten,   Ernst
> 
> 
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MartyF2938@... schreef:
> Epson calls them: 
> Hot Press Bright (330 g/m2)
> Hot Press Natural (330 g/m2)
> Cold Press Bright (430 g/m2)
> Cold Press Natural (430 g/m2)
>  
> Acid Free, mould made, 100% cotton base and optimized for Epson UltraChrome 
>  Ink family.


http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/jsp/Pro/MediaStylusPro3880.do?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&mediaFor=StylusPro3880

I found it at last on an Epson web site.


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