Digital BW, The Print

Hello all;

In case someone wants to check it out, the 3800 driver is now available 
on the Epson website. After a quick look, I can report that it does 
allow BO, and the paper configuration setup allows both platen gap 
adjustment and paper feed-rate adjustment just like the big printers. 

Steven Karafyllakis

>...the 3800 driver is now available on the Epson website. 

>it does allow BO

WOW!  That's going to make BO lovers happy.   Maybe someone at Epson
was listening.  If this actually is a real BO ability, coupled with
the new improved dither, this may turn out to be the best BO machine
yet.  Really good news.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

OHMIGOSH, I hope you're right!! I have been thinkng about going for a used 4000, but 
also really wanted to option of that nifty ABW....ridiculously excited!

crossin' my fingers and toes,
Sarah



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" <cj@...> wrote:

>
> >...the 3800 driver is now available on the Epson website. 
> 
> >it does allow BO
> 
> WOW!  That's going to make BO lovers happy.   Maybe someone at Epson
> was listening.  If this actually is a real BO ability, coupled with
> the new improved dither, this may turn out to be the best BO machine
> yet.  Really good news.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>

OK, let's not get too excited here: The choices are: color, ABW, and 
Black. That sounds like BO, but until someone actually gets one and 
tests it, we won't know. Hold yer horses for another week or two.

Steve Karafyllakis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sagaface" 
<sagaface@...> wrote:
>
> OHMIGOSH, I hope you're right!! I have been thinkng about going 
for a used 4000, but 
> also really wanted to option of that nifty ABW....ridiculously 
excited!
> 
> crossin' my fingers and toes,
> Sarah
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton 
Jones" <cj@> wrote:
> >
> > >...the 3800 driver is now available on the Epson website. 
> > 
> > >it does allow BO
> > 
> > WOW!  That's going to make BO lovers happy.   Maybe someone at 
Epson
> > was listening.  If this actually is a real BO ability, coupled 
with
> > the new improved dither, this may turn out to be the best BO 
machine

> > yet.  Really good news.
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Clayton
> > 
> > 
> > Info on black and white digital printing at    
> > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
> >
>

Awwwwwww, Steve. 

Anyone planning on testing one soon?

Sarah



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Karafyllakis" 
<stevekphoto@...> wrote:

>
> OK, let's not get too excited here: The choices are: color, ABW, and 
> Black. That sounds like BO, but until someone actually gets one and 
> tests it, we won't know. Hold yer horses for another week or two.
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sagaface" 
> <sagaface@> wrote:
> >
> > OHMIGOSH, I hope you're right!! I have been thinkng about going 
> for a used 4000, but 
> > also really wanted to option of that nifty ABW....ridiculously 
> excited!
> > 
> > crossin' my fingers and toes,
> > Sarah
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton 
> Jones" <cj@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >...the 3800 driver is now available on the Epson website. 
> > > 
> > > >it does allow BO
> > > 
> > > WOW!  That's going to make BO lovers happy.   Maybe someone at 
> Epson
> > > was listening.  If this actually is a real BO ability, coupled 
> with
> > > the new improved dither, this may turn out to be the best BO 
> machine
> > > yet.  Really good news.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Clayton
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Info on black and white digital printing at    
> > > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
> > >
> >
>

If someone has Roy’s “decoder ring” for the Epson print codes, I suppose you
could do a print to file and see what ink it’s using.  I don’t have it, or I
would give it a look.

Best regards,
John Moody

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of sagaface
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 1:01 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: 3800 driver - WOW is right! ($%^@!<----burst
bubble)

Awwwwwww, Steve.

Anyone planning on testing one soon?

Sarah


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Sarah,

>>OK, let's not get too excited here: The choices are: color, ABW, 
>>and Black. That sounds like BO, but... until someone actually 
>gets one...

>Awwwwwww, Steve. 
>Anyone planning on testing one soon?

Steve should have one in a couple of weeks.  Keep your fingers
crossed.  Because it says "Black" instead of "Black Only" it may be
just a quick and dirty way to print a supposedly BW print from a color
image.  A while back someone reported on a "Black" option (I can't
remember which printer) and it used color inks to create the tones.

BTW, Steve said that the 3800 will take custom paper sizes down to 4x5
ish, like the 13" printers.  So that's one good thing.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Hmmm....doesn't sound too promising, but I guess we'll see. Jeez, the waiting is hard!



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" <cj@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Sarah,
> 
> >>OK, let's not get too excited here: The choices are: color, ABW, 
> >>and Black. That sounds like BO, but... until someone actually 
> >gets one...
> 
> >Awwwwwww, Steve. 
> >Anyone planning on testing one soon?
> 
> Steve should have one in a couple of weeks.  Keep your fingers
> crossed.  Because it says "Black" instead of "Black Only" it may be
> just a quick and dirty way to print a supposedly BW print from a color
> image.  A while back someone reported on a "Black" option (I can't
> remember which printer) and it used color inks to create the tones.
> 
> BTW, Steve said that the 3800 will take custom paper sizes down to 4x5
> ish, like the 13" printers.  So that's one good thing.
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>

I don't know what you guys are talking about, but I have seen the
results of the 3800 and they are totally neutral and totally smooth.
You won't buy a better printer for that amount of money. Epson did it
right this time.

john

Hey John...we were just speculating about whether BO would be an available option on the 
3800, not really questioning the capability of the machine in general, which I am sure is 
wonderful. 

I'm a die-hard BO fan, but would love to be able to choose between that, ABW and a RIP.

cheers,
Sarah



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <deanwork2003@...> 
wrote:

>
> I don't know what you guys are talking about, but I have seen the
> results of the 3800 and they are totally neutral and totally smooth.
> You won't buy a better printer for that amount of money. Epson did it
> right this time.
> 
> john
>

By BO I assume you mean output through the black and two grey channels
only. Sorry, I didn't ask about that. I assume they are using some of
the light c and m inks through their ABW driver, but if they are you
certainly can't tell it, no metamerism or color content that I could
see under daylight or tungsten and very neutral.

The great thing about this machine besides auto switching betwen PK
and MK (yes) is its small size for 17" wide output. They beat everyone
in that regard. 


John

Yeah, black as in the 2100 UK driver...

From: Steven Karafyllakis <stevekphoto@...>
Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 03:37:30 -0000
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: 3800 driver - WOW is right!

 
 
 

OK, let's not get too excited here: The choices are: color, ABW, and
Black. That sounds like BO, but until someone actually gets one and
tests it, we won't know. Hold yer horses for another week or two.

Steve Karafyllakis




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The decoder ring indicates that it really is BlackOnly.
I don't have a printer so I haven't any idea what the dither looks like.

Roy


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Moody" 
<moodymz3@...> wrote:

>
> If someone has Roy's "decoder ring" for the Epson print codes, I suppose you
> could do a print to file and see what ink it's using.  I don't have it, or I
> would give it a look.
> 
> Best regards,
> John Moody
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of sagaface
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 1:01 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: 3800 driver - WOW is right! ($%^@!<----burst
> bubble)
> 
> Awwwwwww, Steve.
> 
> Anyone planning on testing one soon?
> 
> Sarah
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

This option is available on the 7800 so I would assume its the same.  I've tried it on glossy 
paper on the 7800 and you get a very warm print with loads of bronzing.  So it looks like 
its BO because the tone looks the same as when I tried BO with my 4000 on glossy media 
as well.  I haven't tried it with matte papers but assume it would work.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sagaface" <sagaface@...> wrote:

>
> Hmmm....doesn't sound too promising, but I guess we'll see. Jeez, the waiting is hard!
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" <cj@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sarah,
> > 
> > >>OK, let's not get too excited here: The choices are: color, ABW, 
> > >>and Black. That sounds like BO, but... until someone actually 
> > >gets one...
> > 
> > >Awwwwwww, Steve. 
> > >Anyone planning on testing one soon?
> > 
> > Steve should have one in a couple of weeks.  Keep your fingers
> > crossed.  Because it says "Black" instead of "Black Only" it may be
> > just a quick and dirty way to print a supposedly BW print from a color
> > image.  A while back someone reported on a "Black" option (I can't
> > remember which printer) and it used color inks to create the tones.
> > 
> > BTW, Steve said that the 3800 will take custom paper sizes down to 4x5
> > ish, like the 13" printers.  So that's one good thing.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Clayton
> > 
> > 
> > Info on black and white digital printing at    
> > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
> >
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "joemulligan_68" 
<joemulligan_68@...> wrote:
>
> This option is available on the 7800 so I would assume its the 
same.  I've tried it on glossy 
> paper on the 7800 and you get a very warm print with loads of 
bronzing.  So it looks like 
> its BO because the tone looks the same as when I tried BO with my 
4000 on glossy media 
> as well.  I haven't tried it with matte papers but assume it would 
work.
> 


When you print BO with your 4000 on glossy media, are you getting a 
lot of bronzing?

BO looks good on my 4800, EXCEPT for the terrible brozning. I just 
tested it with Epson Premium Luster.

Scott