Digital BW, The Print

I want to use my Epson 7000 for Piezo K6 inks.

I have a set of empty 110ml carts which I will use as flushing carts.

Can I fill them with distilled water or what do you recommend?


B

What I always do is use the jrano flush fluid from Media Street. I see
here that you can save by buying it in bulk and filling your empty
carts. I didn't realize that before. That way you could fill any carts
with it. They also make prefilled carts for the 7000 which is what I
used. I left it in the machine for a couple of weeks after doing an
initial fill. When I put the K6 inks in and did an initial fill with
them. I got perfect nozzles then and have had perfect nozzles from
then on. I belive you are going to love these K6 inks. If you want
beautiful smooth rich output with NO clogging, this is my recommendation.

John



http://www.mediastreet.com/site/cleaning_fluid.html








--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bjornaagedk"
<reklamefoto@...> wrote:

>
> I want to use my Epson 7000 for Piezo K6 inks.
> 
> I have a set of empty 110ml carts which I will use as flushing carts.
> 
> Can I fill them with distilled water or what do you recommend?
> 
> 
> B
>

This is what I use:
http://www.getinkexpress.com/catalog/gie820_cleaner-
diluent_for_pigment_inks_4416727.htm

Yahoo will probably slaughter the link. Similar to the Jrano but seems 
to work a little better. If you want prefilled carts, then 
http://www.weink.com or http://www.inkjetcolorsolutions.com and 
http://www.inksupply.com has them.

Hello John,

Thank you. I read some of your posts regarding K6 in Epson 7000.
Do you think I CAN use destilled water? or do Inkjetmall have the sameproduct?
Which paper gives a slightly warm tone, something between neutral and Piezotone inks?

Bjorn

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <deanwork2003@...> 
wrote:

>
> What I always do is use the jrano flush fluid from Media Street. I see
> here that you can save by buying it in bulk and filling your empty
> carts. I didn't realize that before. That way you could fill any carts
> with it. They also make prefilled carts for the 7000 which is what I
> used. I left it in the machine for a couple of weeks after doing an
> initial fill. When I put the K6 inks in and did an initial fill with
> them. I got perfect nozzles then and have had perfect nozzles from
> then on. I belive you are going to love these K6 inks. If you want
> beautiful smooth rich output with NO clogging, this is my recommendation.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.mediastreet.com/site/cleaning_fluid.html
> 
> 




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> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bjornaagedk"
> <reklamefoto@> wrote:
> >
> > I want to use my Epson 7000 for Piezo K6 inks.
> > 
> > I have a set of empty 110ml carts which I will use as flushing carts.
> > 
> > Can I fill them with distilled water or what do you recommend?
> > 
> > 
> > B
> >
>

Since I haven't used distilled water to attempt to flush out a system
I won't comment on that. It seems risky to me but I guess it is
possible. I wouldn't do it. I hate working on these machines and the
price of flush carts is very cheap in comparison.

I belive MIS associates also sells a flush fluid but inkjetmall sells
the media street version. Greg just listed another one he uses.

As to color I haven't found one that I would call a warm result with
these inks though Jon Cone suggests Innova Cold Press. I like that
paper a lot but it has a substantial texture that some like and some
don't. It resembles Arches Coldpress printmaking paper. Hahnemuhle
William Turner is a tad warmer than others but not much. Cone also
recommends one of the Bradford papers I believe. Look on their site. I
have't tried them yet. I do know that for a cool tone Premier Art
Hotpress works well ( Epson Ultrasmooth).

John



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bjornaagedk"
<reklamefoto@...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> Hello John,
> 
> Thank you. I read some of your posts regarding K6 in Epson 7000.
> Do you think I CAN use destilled water? or do Inkjetmall have the
sameproduct?
> Which paper gives a slightly warm tone, something between neutral
and Piezotone inks?
> 
> Bjorn
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean"
<deanwork2003@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > What I always do is use the jrano flush fluid from Media Street. I see
> > here that you can save by buying it in bulk and filling your empty
> > carts. I didn't realize that before. That way you could fill any carts
> > with it. They also make prefilled carts for the 7000 which is what I
> > used. I left it in the machine for a couple of weeks after doing an
> > initial fill. When I put the K6 inks in and did an initial fill with
> > them. I got perfect nozzles then and have had perfect nozzles from
> > then on. I belive you are going to love these K6 inks. If you want
> > beautiful smooth rich output with NO clogging, this is my
recommendation.
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.mediastreet.com/site/cleaning_fluid.html
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bjornaagedk"
> > <reklamefoto@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I want to use my Epson 7000 for Piezo K6 inks.
> > > 
> > > I have a set of empty 110ml carts which I will use as flushing
carts.

> > > 
> > > Can I fill them with distilled water or what do you recommend?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > B
> > >
> >
>

> Since I haven't used distilled water to attempt to flush out a system
> I won't comment on that. It seems risky to me but I guess it is
> possible. I wouldn't do it. I hate working on these machines and the
> price of flush carts is very cheap in comparison.
> 
> I belive MIS associates also sells a flush fluid but inkjetmall sells
> the media street version. Greg just listed another one he uses.
> 

I don't know the exact formulas for the flushing fluids, but I'm quite sure
they are mostly water.  Additionally, however, something like glycerol is in
the formula as a dispersant and humicant.  (When used as a pigment ink base,
this also raises viscosity and specific gravity.)  A small amount of wetting
agent is also in most of them.  Then there are probably anti bacterial and
fungus additives.

Bottom line, it might be easier and safer to just buy bulk cleaning/flushing
fluid, rinse the empty carts with distilled water, and load the flushing
fluid.  That is what I do.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bjornaagedk" <reklamefoto@...> 
wrote:
>
> I want to use my Epson 7000 for Piezo K6 inks.
> 
> I have a set of empty 110ml carts which I will use as flushing carts.
> 
> Can I fill them with distilled water or what do you recommend?
> 
> 
> B

There are flushing fluids, and then there are cleaning fluids.

I would flush with a cleaning fluid and then follow up with distilled water.

If you leave cleaning fluid in too long, it might cause some damage because of the strong 
ammonia products in them.

John Nollendorfs

I have flushed with distilled water only, and it worked fine, and I  
have also flushed with distilled water and  had a fatal problem with  
one of the nozzles (all others worked fine).  What the etiology of  
the problem was, I don't know.  One thing about using anything that  
you self fill with is:  if you have a problem, did you inadvertently  
introduce a little piece of crap that wound up clogging a nozzle?   
Doesn't help you to print if you know that you didn't, but it does  
help you to not kick yourself for the poor economy of saving on  
prefilled flushing carts in favor of putting a new head in.

James

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sinar001"
<jnolly@...> wrote:
>

> 
> There are flushing fluids, and then there are cleaning fluids.
> 
> I would flush with a cleaning fluid and then follow up with
distilled water.
> 
> If you leave cleaning fluid in too long, it might cause some damage
because of the strong 
> ammonia products in them.
> 


Please note: The cleaning fluid I suggested from get ink express is
NOT compatible with Lexan plastics!!!!!Cracked every one of my cool
Nalgene Lexan bottles last time I used it. There is also an extra
strong fluid gie800 but I don't suggest it for flushing out a printer
as it is REALLY strong. Lots of ammonia in that one!

Some of you may not agree with this, but I've been using the original 
Windex for cleaning heads
for years. At times I've diluted it by 50%, and other times used it 
straight.  I don't know of a single
flush cartridge that doesn't use an ammonia based fluid.  There is no 
thickening agent in
any I've heard of or seen, and would not suggest using one that does. 
Ammonia solution is
created by dissolving NH3 (ammonia gas) in water - it combines readily. 
Except for the
color, and perhaps some other minor chemicals, that's what Windex is!

I've used it on Epson 800, 3000, 1200, 2- 1160's, and the 2200.
I'm not suggesting that you use it, but it works for me.
Flushing with water won't work as well, especially with pigment based 
inks, or
if there's a difficult clog.

Not a bad idea to follow with distilled water.

Clay

>>
>> I would flush with a cleaning fluid and then follow up with
> distilled water.
>
> Please note: The cleaning fluid I suggested from get ink express is
> NOT compatible with Lexan plastics!!!!!Cracked every one of my cool
> Nalgene Lexan bottles last time I used it. There is also an extra
> strong fluid gie800 but I don't suggest it for flushing out a printer
> as it is REALLY strong. Lots of ammonia in that one!

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Clayton Price
<clay@...> wrote:
>
> Some of you may not agree with this, but I've been using the original 
> Windex for cleaning heads
> for years. 

Yes I too use Windex, but not when I'm pulling it through thr heads by
the ink pump. It tends to foam a lot as it comes out of the heads and
makes a mess. I have switched to using a generic brand from Walmart in
the half gallon or gallon jugs. Good for manually cleaning out the
lines and bottles of my 9500. I then follow up with the other more
expensive cleaning fluid.

For stubborn clogs the extra strong gie800 (Image Specialists WJ800)
really does the job completely and fast! Though I wouldn't recommend
using it for flushing the system, the discharge of ammonia when it hit
the waste tank would probably knock you off your feet!