Digital BW, The Print

Helen,

Thanks for your post.  I assume you are using QTR, or another RIP.  Could you explain 
how/why you arrived at your decision to use K3/LC, R800/blue, and R800/red?  I'm 
curious why you went with the blue and red rather than LM.  I assume Krystal Topkote is a 
gloss optimizer.  

Thanks!

Josh
 


Message: 20
   Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:19:31 -0000

   From: "helen_bach2003" <helenbach@...>
Subject: Re: Crane Museo Silver Rag/beta testing

John,

At least someone is paying attention. I've mentioned this a few times
in the past, with little response. I use K3 inks in a 2200: MK,
K3/PK, K3/LK, K3/LLK, K3/LC, R800/blue, and swap between R800/red and
Krystal Topkote. I get the MK and the K3 inks from 110 ml carts.

It works for me.

Best,
Helen

Josh,

Yes, I'm using IJC/OPM. I started my trials with just the black inks.
These produce slightly warm images that remind me of good old Agfa
Record Rapid, which I rather liked (and still have plenty of). When I
measured the departure from neutral, I realised that a mixture of LC
and R800 blue would be good for neutralising. I also have an R800, by
the way, so I'm familiar with the spectral characteristics of the R800
inks.

Meanwhile, I decided to test all the inks I had as image toners - I
mean toners in the traditional wet darkroom sense. So I tried magenta,
cyan, red and blue as toners with the black inks. I most liked the
warmth of the red toner and the coolth of the blue toner - probably
because magenta and cyan casts are reminiscent of bad inkjet B&W.

Though my own work does not suit anything other than fairly plain
printing, I like to have options for the people I print for.

So that's how I came to LC, R and B as the colour inks. The Krystal
Topkote is my latest experiment.

Best,
Helen

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "joshhackney"
<joshhackney@g...> wrote:
>
> Helen,
> 
> Thanks for your post.  I assume you are using QTR, or another RIP. 
Could you explain 
> how/why you arrived at your decision to use K3/LC, R800/blue, and
R800/red?  I'm 
> curious why you went with the blue and red rather than LM.  I assume
Krystal Topkote is a 

> gloss optimizer.  
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Josh
>  
> 
> 
> Message: 20
>    Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:19:31 -0000
>    From: "helen_bach2003" <helenbach@h...>
> Subject: Re: Crane Museo Silver Rag/beta testing
> 
> John,
> 
> At least someone is paying attention. I've mentioned this a few times
> in the past, with little response. I use K3 inks in a 2200: MK,
> K3/PK, K3/LK, K3/LLK, K3/LC, R800/blue, and swap between R800/red and
> Krystal Topkote. I get the MK and the K3 inks from 110 ml carts.
> 
> It works for me.
> 
> Best,
> Helen
>

Helen;

You're right, I for one haven't been paying attention, sorry.
Interesting that we wound up at essentially the same place but for 
different reasons-this is essentially the arrangement I'm using in 
my R1800, with the exception of the R toner-I have LLK in that spot, 
because that channel bands less than the C or M. Also, I'm using the 
MIS K4 and R1800 inks instead. I found when I switched over the K 
inks that MIS' version was warmer and required more neutralising, 
but OTOH a carbon print is very pleasantly warm. I agree that the 
blue and Cyan make for a better neutral toner-it takes less added 
color, and the results are very pleasing. And the combination 
produces a really wonderful cold tone which used on the right image
practically makes me shiver. Dark foggy mornings never looked so 
ominous before...

Steve Karafyllakis

--- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "helen_bach2003" 
<helenbach@h...> wrote:
 I most liked the
> warmth of the red toner and the coolth of the blue toner - probably
> because magenta and cyan casts are reminiscent of bad inkjet B&W.
> 
> Though my own work does not suit anything other than fairly plain
> printing, I like to have options for the people I print for.
> 
> So that's how I came to LC, R and B as the colour inks. The Krystal
> Topkote is my latest experiment.
> 
> Best,
> Helen
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "joshhackney"
> <joshhackney@g...> wrote:
> >
> > Helen,
> > 
> > Thanks for your post.  I assume you are using QTR, or another 
RIP. 
> Could you explain 
> > how/why you arrived at your decision to use K3/LC, R800/blue, and
> R800/red?  I'm 
> > curious why you went with the blue and red rather than LM.  I 
assume
> Krystal Topkote is a 
> > gloss optimizer.  
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > Josh
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > Message: 20
> >    Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:19:31 -0000
> >    From: "helen_bach2003" <helenbach@h...>
> > Subject: Re: Crane Museo Silver Rag/beta testing
> > 
> > John,
> > 
> > At least someone is paying attention. I've mentioned this a few 
times
> > in the past, with little response. I use K3 inks in a 2200: MK,
> > K3/PK, K3/LK, K3/LLK, K3/LC, R800/blue, and swap between 
R800/red and

> > Krystal Topkote. I get the MK and the K3 inks from 110 ml carts.
> > 
> > It works for me.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Helen
> >
>