Digital BW, The Print

I'm using the supplied PFA paper profiles in QTR with a 2200 MK to print on 
Velvet Fine Art.  The neutrality is good, but the contrast is low.  Should I create 
my own profiles for this paper/ptr combination?  How do I do this on a G5?

TIA,

peter

First, are you using the ICC profile when printing - QTR-Gray Matte Paper

> From: krn_ptr <krn_ptr@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:37:09 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] QTR tonal range
> 
> I'm using the supplied PFA paper profiles in QTR with a 2200 MK to print on
> Velvet Fine Art.  The neutrality is good, but the contrast is low.  Should I
> create 
> my own profiles for this paper/ptr combination?  How do I do this on a G5?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> peter
>

Hi Steve,

Yes I am using the QTR-Gray Matte Paper ICC profile, but I'm not using Lab 
Gray as my gray space.  I found it didn't make any difference and it darkened 
the screen image.

peter





--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale <
stevekale@b...> wrote:
> First, are you using the ICC profile when printing - QTR-Gray Matte Paper
> 
> 
> > From: krn_ptr <krn_ptr@y...>
> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:37:09 -0000
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Digital BW] QTR tonal range
> > 
> > I'm using the supplied PFA paper profiles in QTR with a 2200 MK to print 
on

> > Velvet Fine Art.  The neutrality is good, but the contrast is low.  Should I
> > create 
> > my own profiles for this paper/ptr combination?  How do I do this on a G5?
> > 
> > TIA,
> > 
> > peter
> >

Only the output/printer profile is important.  The issue with VFA is a lack
of dMax which eventually  people see as a lack of "contrast".

> From: krn_ptr <krn_ptr@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 18:33:36 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] QTR tonal range
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> Yes I am using the QTR-Gray Matte Paper ICC profile, but I'm not using Lab
> Gray as my gray space.  I found it didn't make any difference and it darkened
> the screen image.
> 
> peter

Steve,

I find Velvet Fine Art one of the best matte papers I have profiled 
for Dmax, whether for color or B&W.  I can typically hit a Dmax of 
1.72 (L* of about 15), which is great for a matte paper.  Compared to 
good glossy or luster media, it comes up weak, of course.  

Lou

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale 
<stevekale@b...> wrote:
> Only the output/printer profile is important.  The issue with VFA 
is a lack
> of dMax which eventually  people see as a lack of "contrast".
> 
> 
> > From: krn_ptr <krn_ptr@y...>
> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 18:33:36 -0000
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] QTR tonal range
> > 
> > Hi Steve,
> > 
> > Yes I am using the QTR-Gray Matte Paper ICC profile, but I'm not 
using Lab
> > Gray as my gray space.  I found it didn't make any difference and 
it darkened

> > the screen image.
> > 
> > peter

Lou,

Can you please tell me how you go about profiling for PFA?  I'm on OSX.

TIA,

peter

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" <
lbdina@c...> wrote:

> Steve,
> 
> I find Velvet Fine Art one of the best matte papers I have profiled 
> for Dmax, whether for color or B&W.  I can typically hit a Dmax of 
> 1.72 (L* of about 15), which is great for a matte paper.  Compared to 
> good glossy or luster media, it comes up weak, of course.  
> 
> Lou
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale 
> <stevekale@b...> wrote:
> > Only the output/printer profile is important.  The issue with VFA 
> is a lack
> > of dMax which eventually  people see as a lack of "contrast".
> > 
> > 
> > > From: krn_ptr <krn_ptr@y...>
> > > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 18:33:36 -0000
> > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] QTR tonal range
> > > 
> > > Hi Steve,
> > > 
> > > Yes I am using the QTR-Gray Matte Paper ICC profile, but I'm not 
> using Lab
> > > Gray as my gray space.  I found it didn't make any difference and 
> it darkened
> > > the screen image.
> > > 
> > > peter

Peter,

I am on a Windows machine and don't know the Mac interface at all.  
And I have never used PFA.  It would probably be best to let an 
experienced Mac user help you so I don't lead you astray.  

Carl Schoefield wrote a nice mini-tutorial and posted it in the Files 
Section of the Yahoo QuadToneRip forum.  That would be a great start 
and I believe it is aimed at Mac users.  

Lou

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "krn_ptr" 
<krn_ptr@y...> wrote:
> Lou,
> 
> Can you please tell me how you go about profiling for PFA?  I'm on 
OSX.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> peter
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" <
> lbdina@c...> wrote:
> > Steve,
> > 
> > I find Velvet Fine Art one of the best matte papers I have 
profiled 
> > for Dmax, whether for color or B&W.  I can typically hit a Dmax 
of 
> > 1.72 (L* of about 15), which is great for a matte paper.  
Compared to 
> > good glossy or luster media, it comes up weak, of course.  
> > 
> > Lou
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale 
> > <stevekale@b...> wrote:
> > > Only the output/printer profile is important.  The issue with 
VFA 
> > is a lack
> > > of dMax which eventually  people see as a lack of "contrast".
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > From: krn_ptr <krn_ptr@y...>
> > > > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 18:33:36 -0000
> > > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] QTR tonal range
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Steve,
> > > > 
> > > > Yes I am using the QTR-Gray Matte Paper ICC profile, but I'm 
not 
> > using Lab
> > > > Gray as my gray space.  I found it didn't make any difference 
and 

> > it darkened
> > > > the screen image.
> > > > 
> > > > peter

Thanks, Lou.  I'll check out Carl's tutorial.  Actually, I'm not using PFA paper, 
just the profile, because I don't have one for VFA.

Regards,

peter





--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" <
lbdina@c...> wrote:

> Peter,
> 
> I am on a Windows machine and don't know the Mac interface at all.  
> And I have never used PFA.  It would probably be best to let an 
> experienced Mac user help you so I don't lead you astray.  
> 
> Carl Schoefield wrote a nice mini-tutorial and posted it in the Files 
> Section of the Yahoo QuadToneRip forum.  That would be a great start 
> and I believe it is aimed at Mac users.  
> 
> Lou
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "krn_ptr" 
> <krn_ptr@y...> wrote:
> > Lou,
> > 
> > Can you please tell me how you go about profiling for PFA?  I'm on 
> OSX.
> > 
> > TIA,
> > 
> > peter
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" <
> > lbdina@c...> wrote:
> > > Steve,
> > > 
> > > I find Velvet Fine Art one of the best matte papers I have 
> profiled 
> > > for Dmax, whether for color or B&W.  I can typically hit a Dmax 
> of 
> > > 1.72 (L* of about 15), which is great for a matte paper.  
> Compared to 
> > > good glossy or luster media, it comes up weak, of course.  
> > > 
> > > Lou
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale 
> > > <stevekale@b...> wrote:
> > > > Only the output/printer profile is important.  The issue with 
> VFA 
> > > is a lack
> > > > of dMax which eventually  people see as a lack of "contrast".
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > From: krn_ptr <krn_ptr@y...>
> > > > > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 18:33:36 -0000
> > > > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] QTR tonal range
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi Steve,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yes I am using the QTR-Gray Matte Paper ICC profile, but I'm 
> not 
> > > using Lab
> > > > > Gray as my gray space.  I found it didn't make any difference 
> and 
> > > it darkened
> > > > > the screen image.
> > > > > 
> > > > > peter